很有意思，感谢！
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kw64
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Originally Posted by T-U-P
You do realized that as a foreigner, china doesn't give out its citizenship easily. It's not like Canada where you will get one if you stay for x number of years. Last time I heard from the news was that China only grants citizenship to distinguished individuals who made an impact for a better China.
That's not entirely true. China sometimes deny citizenship applications due to security concerns, or if there are political sensitive issues involved. But China still has relatively low number of citizenship applicants, even lower from European nationals, and I don't think they would consider someone from Finland a potential security risk or a subject to any politically sensitive issue. So I don't think PLA Soldier would have any problem applying for the Chinese citizenship, as long as he would become a permanent residant first. Of course bureaucratic redltapes are prevalent in China, and sometimes it can get frustrating to speed through any official business for foreigners or Chinese alike.
不全对，中国有时出于安全考虑或者涉及政治敏感问题会驳回一些公民申请。现在想申请中国公民身份的人相对而言，数量不多，来自欧洲国家的申请者就更少了，而且我不认为他们会视一位芬兰人为安全隐患，其中也不会涉及任何敏感问题，所以我想楼主申请中国国籍不会受到什么阻挠，只要他首先成为一个中国的永久居民（拿到永久居留权也不简单啊！哥哥）。
当然，在中国，官僚主义是很流行的。想快速搞定某个官方事宜的结果往往让人绝望，不光是对外国人，中国人也一样。
PLA Soldier
So far, relations between Finland and China have been good. That´s why I don´t think that China would consider me as security risk, or in any other way of trouble-causing men. Only thing that might cause that sort of thinking would be that I wan´t join PLA.
目前为止，中芬关系良好，所以我不认为中国会视我为安全威胁，或把我当成啥劳什子的麻烦制造者，唯一可能招来麻烦是，我想加入中国解放军的动机吧。
bd popeye
PLA Soldier. I have some questions for you.
楼主，有几个问题想问你，
Why do you want to join the PLA? And when you become of age why don't you join the Finnish armed forces? Isn't there conscription in Finland? Thanks!
你为什么想加入PLA啊？当你适龄参军的时候，你完全可以加入芬兰军队嘛，芬兰不是也有募兵活动吗？多谢回答！
Mr T
PLA Soldier, I'm afraid that kw64 is painting an overly optimistic and unrealistic picture of what you'd be facing in trying to join the PLA. I think it's important to be realistic even if you (for some reason) really wish this could happen.
楼主，恐怕KW64为你描绘一幅过于理想的参军前景，不过你有多么想做成这件事，脚踏实地，要现实一点，懂吗。
The first thing would be to move to China. Now you can't just do that on a whim. You need to either be a student there or have a job there. Being a student isn't helpful because when you finish your studies you're off - at best it would buy you time.
首当其冲的事，你要搬到中国去住。你现在还不能有冲动就行动，到那儿，你要么当个留学生要么有个工作，修学业顶不了用，因为学业结束，你就得回来了，充其量它可以为你争取一点时间。
In regards to work, unless you have some particular skills and qualifications that China needs you're not going to get a job, other than maybe teaching English as a foreign language and that's no good long-term career. It's not stable because you can be laid off in the blink of an eye and frequently doesn't pay all that well. Certainly it won't let you get permanent residency.
再来说去那儿工作，除非你掌握了某种技能或有啥职称，否则你别想找到工作，除非是去教教英语，不过那并不是个长久的活，很不稳定，随时可能被炒掉，而且报酬通常也不高。毫无疑问，这份工作并不能使你获得永久居留权的。
Even if you get a great job, marry a Chinese woman and get permanent residency, you're still highly unlikely to get an offer of nationality. The foreigners who get Chinese passports are usually rich businessmen who contribute to the Chinese economy and get friendly with powerful people.
即使你找到份不错的工作，娶了一位中国老婆，在中国定居下来啦，抱歉，你得到中国国籍的可能性还是不大，持中国护照的外国人往往是对中国经济有贡献，与权贵来往甚密的商业巨贾或者。
But let's say you get a great job, marry a Chinese woman, get permanent residency, make great friends with people who decide on nationality applications and then an offer of nationality. That would take so long you'd probably be too old to join the PLA anyway!
再进一步，假设在此基础上，你真的结交甚广，认识了管事的人，不过那个时候，你恐怕老的连枪都提不动了吧！
You also need to realise that China doesn't allow dual nationality, so you'd have to give up your Finnish citizenship and passport. You'd need a visa to travel to anywhere in Europe, even your home. Are you sure you'd want that?
你还需要认识到，中国不承认双重国籍，所以你得放弃你的芬兰籍和护照，那会导致你连到欧洲旅游,甚至到你自己的家去都需要签证，你确定你想做这件事吗？
Put it like this. If you want to go to China, live and work there, good luck. But you need a plan before you go as to what you're going to do there, otherwise I think you'll be unhappy. Realistically joining the PLA is not going to happen, so you will need an alternative line of work. Just remember that the Chinese job market is very competitive.
这样说吧，如果你想去中国，生活，工作，祝你好运，但出发前务必有个去那做什么的计划，不然，你会遇到很大的挫折的。现实地说吧，加入解放军这事永远不可能发生，随后你会妥协性地找到一份工作。可我还得提醒你，中国的劳务市场竞争是相当激烈的。
vesicles
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Originally Posted by Mr T
Put it like this. If you want to go to China, live and work there, good luck. But you need a plan before you go as to what you're going to do there, otherwise I think you'll be unhappy. Realistically joining the PLA is not going to happen, so you will need an alternative line of work. Just remember that the Chinese job market is very competitive.
When someone wishes someone else "good luck" in the manner as you did, it is usually a sarcastic thing. So if I'm not mistaken, you made it sound like living in China nowadays in general is a bad idea . That seems to contradict what the general feeling is about living and working in China NOWADAYS. In fact, we have multiple friends (Chinese, Chinese-Americans, Taiwanese, Taiwanese-Americans, Caucacian-Americans) who moved to China and enjoy their life over there very much. And that was not a typo and I did say Taiwanese moving to the Mainland and love it there. One of my buddies is actually pan-green and he hated the idea but his wife who is a Chinese wanted to go back badly. So he went along "for the sake of love". Now he loves it there and would not come back to the States.
你这种祝别人“好运的”方式实际上是在挖苦别人。如果我没弄错的话，你的意思是，现如今生活在中国是件相当糟糕的事情，这似乎与普遍的在中国生活得到的感受不符。实际上，很多朋友（华裔，中美混血，台湾人，台美混血，欧美混血）搬到中国去后，都蛮享受那里的生活的，是的没错，搬到大陆的台湾人也很喜欢那里的生活，我有个兄弟，（台湾）泛绿阵营的，他的大陆老婆想回到大陆生活，开始他气坏了，但为了爱情，他还是跟着回去了，现在他俩已经爱上了那里，乐不思蜀了。
TO PLA soldier, I do agree with other posters that you have to be careful about this move that you are making. As someone who has given up his original citizenship to live in another country, I tell you that giving up your own citizenship should not be taken lightly, doesn't matter which nation you are from. If you truly want to join PLA, I would suggest you live in China for a while. You usually can't get the whole picture when you are outside and looking in. you either get overly excited and positive or overly negative, depending on the kind of political/educational background you had. Some good examples of both are vivdly illustrated in this thread and this forum in general. These people are either never been to China or been away from China for a long time. I don't know about others, but I, myself, am one of these people (being away for almost 20 years). My parents always say that I am too positive on China and that I am one of those people who "is standing but never understands the backpain suffered by those who are on their knees". So you have to actually live in China to know what China is like and then make your decision.
想对楼主说句话，我完全同意之前有人说的，凡事务必三思而后行。作为一个过来人（我也放弃了自己原先的国籍，生活在另外一个国家），想告诉你，把国籍看淡点吧，你从哪个国家来一点关系都没有。如果下定决心加入PLA，我会建议你先去中国生活一段时间吧，跳脱事务之外，从外部观察事务，通常获得对事务的认识并不全面客观，会过于正面或过于负面，这取决于你受到的政治教育背景。在这个帖子里甚至这整个论坛里，这样的例子生动鲜活，比比皆是，这些人要么从没到过中国，要么离开中国已经很长时间了，我不知道其他人怎么回事，但我自己就是这样的，离开我的祖国已经快20年了。
（不得赞一下，这位老华侨留言相当给力。）
PLA Soldier
My decision isn´t totally completed yet. It is true that we have conscription in Finland, but it isn´t an army anymore these days. Well, you know, our equipment is a bit outdated. And still, there is a feeling that you should something with your life. I know that I haven´t witnessed chinese lifestyle or culture in that way I could really make that big decision by information so far. Still, the Rising Dragon has always fashinated me within my own way.
我的决定尚未成熟。我们芬兰的确有募兵活动，但现如今那已经称不上是一支军队了。这么说吧，我们的装备老得掉牙。另外在我心里，老有这种想法：这辈子我得干件说的出口的事！
我知道，我对中国人的生活方式，或者文化一无所知，只有那样，我才能真正地做出一个重要的决定。在我心里，崛起的中国龙自然有让我迷醉的地方。
Okey, now finally the reason why I wan´t to join PLA:
1. I have always dreamed about moving to foreign country. SWerving in that countrys armed forces would be great way to "pay back" my depth to my new homeland.
2. Why China? Many reasons. New superpower, strong military, enormous economy, strong coverment, chinese girls are beatifull!
3. And no, I´m not warcrazy militant. Actually, I love peace, but not in that way as many think about it. I wan´t to protect peace and wellfare of my beloved ones with arms if necessery.
4. China is not at war apparently.
好吧，下面就是我想加入PLA的原因：
1. 我一直以来就有移居国外的打算，加入拥有强大军事力量国家的军队会是一个证明我对新的祖国拳拳忠心的最好途径。
2. 为什么是中国？很多原因，新兴的超级力量，强大的军事，蓬勃的经济，强力的政府，还有漂亮的中国女孩。
3. 澄清一点，我不是一个嗜血的战争爱好者，相反，我爱好和平，但不是以很多人想象的那种方式。我想捍卫和平，在必要的时候，我会身背长枪，向我的至爱永别。
4. 中国现今处于和平状态。
Mr T
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Originally Posted by vesicles
When someone wishes someone else "good luck" in the manner as you did, it is usually a sarcastic thing.
If I was being sarcastic it would be that I didn't think he had a chance of moving to and working in China. But I wasn't being sarcastic - if the guy wants to move to China and get a job he deserves to be wished luck.
如果真像你说的，我在嘲讽他，我会直接告诉他，他根本不可能移民到那儿，工作在那儿。但是我真的没有-如果他真的想到中国去，他当然值得别人对他的祝福。
williamhou
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Originally Posted by PLA Soldier
My decision isn´t totally completed yet. It is true that we have conscription in Finland, but it isn´t an army anymore these days. Well, you know, our equipment is a bit outdated. And still, there is a feeling that you should something with your life. I know that I haven´t witnessed chinese lifestyle or culture in that way I could really make that big decision by information so far. Still, the Rising Dragon has always fashinated me within my own way.
Okey, now finally the reason why I wan´t to join PLA:
1. I have always dreamed about moving to foreign country. SWerving in that countrys armed forces would be great way to "pay back" my depth to my new homeland.
2. Why China? Many reasons. New superpower, strong military, enormous economy, strong coverment, chinese girls are beatifull!
3. And no, I´m not warcrazy militant. Actually, I love peace, but not in that way as many think about it. I wan´t to protect peace and wellfare of my beloved ones with arms if necessery.
4. China is not at war apparently.
Good reasons. But since you have not been to China to experience whether you like it there or not (I am pretty sure you will), you had better move there to study/work before you make the decision to join the PLA. I think you are likely to change your mind and turn to another profession, when you are more mature.
很好的理由，可是因为你从没到过中国，你不会知道你是否喜欢那儿（当然，我确信你会爱上那儿的），你可以在决定加入PLA之前先在那里学习或工作一段时间。我相信，等你再长大一些，你很有可能会改变你的想法，改行换业。
Moving to China should be easy. Nowadays foreigners are common in the developed cities of China (Tier one cities, namely Shanghai, Beijing, Shenzhen, Guangzhou) and they are very popular, especially if you are white and if you have good people skills/connections. Building relationships and making friends with people during your study/work there is VERY important, you can get a lot of opportunities if people like you and introduce you to those who make decisions.
移居中国应该不难，现在在中国的大城市（上海，北京，深圳，广州），外国人很常见，而且相当受欢迎，特别是对有较强沟通能力的一些白人。在学习工作的同时，建立自己的关系网，结交四方朋友是很重要的，如果你的朋友喜欢你，把你介绍给管事的人，那样会得到很多的机会的。
Joining the PLA in China is a dream for many in the less developed areas, but not for those already have good living standard. The life and training in PLA, in fact most armies are very tough for newbies, and the living standard of PLA may be far worse than Finnish army's, for that I do not think joining PLA as a regular newbie would be a good idea for many people. As you said 'chinese girls are beatifull' I think you would prefer a career you are able to meet those girls more often.
对于生活在欠发达地区的人们来说，参军是个不错的选择，但对于富裕地区的人们而言，就不是这种情况了，在PLA中的生活，受训，事实上和其他国家军队一样，对新兵都是相当苛刻的，而且PLA的生活标准很可能远赶不上芬兰军队，所以我说，在PLA中当个新兵蛋子对很多人来说，并不是个好主意。至于你说“中国的姑娘们很漂亮”，我想你还是希望找个能频繁接触女孩的职业吧。
I would suggest you get a good education background first from western countries and get a job in one of the tier 1 cities in maniland China, Hong Kong or Macau to experience the lifestyle and build connections as well as explore opportunities. Or if you are sure you want to join the armed force, apply for a degree in one of the military academies in China you would be valued by most armed forces in the world when you graduate, for your unique background, and you can decide to get Chinese citizenship and join the PLA as a officer or join other armed forces. I am not sure how hard it is for foreigners to apply for military academies but the requirements are surprisingly low for foreigners in the most reputed universities in China, because the top universities are starving for foreign students and they want to be more international. So if you don't get a place in military academy, getting into Tsinghua University/ Beijing University would be a good alternative and would make your career path more flexible.
我会建议你，先在西方接受一个良好的教育，然后在我说的那些中国大陆的大城市加上香港，澳门里面找份工作，适应那里的生活，建立关系网，并寻找机会。如果你已决定参军，就在中国的军事院校里面申请个学位读读，在毕业之时，你会因为独一无二的背景，得到世界上绝大多数的军事机构赏识，那个时候再决定是获得中国国籍加入PLA成为一名解放军军官还是到其他国家参军。我不清楚一个外国人去申请读军事院校会有多难，但是外国人申请中国其他的一些重点大学的门槛相当低，因为这些大学想变得国际化，对国外学生求贤若渴，所以如果你没申上独立的军事院校，去读北大清华会是个不错的备用选择（无语啊）。这样，你的职业规划会更具灵活性。
Hope it helps
希望能帮到你！
FriedRiceNSpice
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So if you don't get a place in military academy, getting into Tsinghua University/ Beijing University would be a good alternative and would make your career path more flexible.
It would be easier to get into Harvard or Stanford.... Those are the two toughest schools in the world to get into. EVERYONE in China aspires to those two universities.
你还不如让他申请哈佛或者斯坦福呢…… 这才是世界上最NB的两个学校，中国的所有学生都憧憬这两所学校。
williamhou
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Originally Posted by FriedRiceNSpice
It would be easier to get into Harvard or Stanford.... Those are the two toughest schools in the world to get into. EVERYONE in China aspires to those two universities.
That's true for Chinese students. Not the case at all for foreign students, they do not need to be involved in the Chinese high school exams and they are judged differently.
对中国学生来说是这样，但对其他外国的学生未必，他们没必要经历高考，并且考核方式很多元。
五星红旗
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Originally Posted by PLA Soldier
As seen in topic, my porblem is that I wish to know would it be possible for non-chinese citizen to join PLÀ? This not a joke, I´m talking dead-serious about this.
It's no problem!
没问题，来吧。
PLA Soldier
Even though my questions have been answered, any and all tips and advices would be really apriciated
尽管我的问题已经得到了解答，在这里还是很感激所有给我留下建议和意见的朋友们。
bladesyz
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Originally Posted by williamhou
As you said 'chinese girls are beatifull' I think you would prefer a career you are able to meet those girls more often.
I think this is a point the OP should seriously consider. Being in the army doesn't give one much time to go dating and meeting people. In fact, you can just forget about a normal love/family life.
我想有一点楼主应当慎重考虑，在军中服役是不会有时间去和女孩约会和结交朋友的，你会发现你不能再享受正常的恋爱和家庭生活了
Also, just because China isn't at war doesn't mean being in the Army is safe. The PLA undertakes many dangerous search & rescue missions, and if you get assigned to Xinjiang, you run the risk of being the target of terrorist attacks.
还有，中国处于和平时期并不代表参军就不危险，PLA在中国承担了抢险救灾的重任，如果你被分配到新疆执勤，你将面对恐怖主义的袭击。
LostWraith
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Originally Posted by bladesyz
I think this is a point the OP should seriously consider. Being in the army doesn't give one much time to go dating and meeting people. In fact, you can just forget about a normal love/family life.
Also, just because China isn't at war doesn't mean being in the Army is safe. The PLA undertakes many dangerous search & rescue missions, and if you get assigned to Xinjiang, you run the risk of being the target of terrorist attacks.
Well it's comparatively much safer since China definitely has not lost more than 5000 troops over the last decade.
鉴于中国在过去的十年里，牺牲的解放军不超过5000，中国还算是很安全的。
EdT586
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Originally Posted by PLA Soldier
My decision isn´t totally completed yet. It is true that we have conscription in Finland, but it isn´t an army anymore these days. Well, you know, our equipment is a bit outdated. And still, there is a feeling that you should something with your life. I know that I haven´t witnessed chinese lifestyle or culture in that way I could really make that big decision by information so far. Still, the Rising Dragon has always fashinated me within my own way.
Okey, now finally the reason why I wan´t to join PLA:
1. I have always dreamed about moving to foreign country. SWerving in that countrys armed forces would be great way to "pay back" my depth to my new homeland.
2. Why China? Many reasons. New superpower, strong military, enormous economy, strong coverment, chinese girls are beatifull!
3. And no, I´m not warcrazy militant. Actually, I love peace, but not in that way as many think about it. I wan´t to protect peace and wellfare of my beloved ones with arms if necessery.
4. China is not at war apparently.
Good reasons, but if you give these reasons to the PLA recruiting office they will not accept you per say, but I admire your conviction to serve !
好理由，但是你如果真的向征募军官说这些的话，他们是不会要你的，只会说，我很欣赏你为人民服务的决心
These reasons would be more appropriate:
1. I am a PRC member
2. I am a socialist
3. I want to serve the Chinese people and China
下面的理由更靠谱儿。：
1. 我是中共党员
2. 我是社会主义者
3. 我想为人民服务，为中国服务
How many armed forces in the world do you know that it's
世界上有多少军队像这样的：
Commander in Chief during inspection reviews asks: "How are you doing Comrades ?"
...and the troops answers in unison: "We are doing good Commander !"
Commander in Chief asks again: "Have you been busy Comrades?"
...and the troops answers in unison: "Busy serving the "People" Commander !"
总指挥官在检阅部队的时候问：同志们好！
所有的战士齐声回答：作者有误（应为 首长好！）
然后总指挥官再问：同志们辛苦了！
战士再答：为人民服务！
Obcession
It's interesting that I've taken an oath to defend the Chinese country and people in the Youth Vanguards, and another oath to defend the Queen and Canada when I became a citizen. Interesting moral dilemma if I have to fight on one side against another.
在我加入中国少年先锋队的时候，我起誓保卫中国和我们的人民。当我成为加拿大公民的时候，又起誓效忠女王和加拿大，当这两方敌对的时候，我岂不是会陷入道德上的窘境，有趣。
EdT586
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Originally Posted by Obcession
It's interesting that I've taken an oath to defend the Chinese country and people in the Youth Vanguards, and another oath to defend the Queen and Canada when I became a citizen. Interesting moral dilemma if I have to fight on one side against another.
Can you tell me about the the Youth Vanguards, tthier structure etc, do they have a website ?
你能给我介绍一下中国少年先锋队么，他们有网站么（开玩笑！）
I am trying to set-up international exchange visits between them and IACE. We would be so happy if the PRC's equivalent would be part of the IACE !
我现在正筹划一个他们和IACE（国际少年军官交流组织）交流互访项目，如果我们（指IACE）能吸收中国入会，那将是多么令人高兴。
IACE Official Web Site
IACE官网
还没完哈
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看原链接后面还有不少内容，有国内出去比较懂行的列举了天朝征兵的N条苛刻条件老外表示比选奥运选手还苛刻，有老外望文生意以为“少年先锋队”是类似于国外童子军的预备役一本正经打听有没有英文官网，也有较真讨论PLA的经济待遇转业问题的……
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感谢楼主
很可爱的孩子，热血青年呀！
一个芬兰男孩想成为解放军战士恐怕很难啊...o3O101)
五年之内开放吸收港澳青年加入PLA的可能性比较大...o3O117)
哈哈，这个芬兰小伙蛮可爱的
不过这个加入中国解放军的愿望，肯定是不可能实现的
祝他好运
我惊讶，倒不是由于一个外国人想参加解放军
我惊讶，是因为我看到这些人理性的交流，罗列证据并给出出处~ ...
連長 发表于 2010-12-23 01:10 http://bbs.m4.cn/images/common/back.gif
我也挺惊讶。
我觉得这位惊讶之前先学学怎么好好说话比较好。这都什么腔调啊。你平时也这么说话？累不累？
关于芬兰少年吧，我是不知道他怎么有这个念头的。不过我劝他死了这条心比较好。
一个外国人想要加入中国国籍还是很难得。即使加入了，要参军也不容易。比如纹身，不知道芬兰人喜不喜欢纹身，不过你纹了身可就没机会参军了。
就算参了军又如何？最近又没有仗打。在部队待几年退役，有意思吗？光要参军你参加芬兰军队就行了。
弱国无军队啊，老外的话，政审这关就不知道能不能过。
肯定招了只是不是正规的招大家明白的
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有老外望文生意以为“少年先锋队”是类似于国外童子军的预备役一本正经打听有没有英文官网三季稻 发表于 2010-12-23 08:51 http://bbs.m4.cn/images/common/back.gif
有中文的，呵呵http://61.gqt.org.cn/
谢谢辛苦翻译啊
犹记得当年有传言，说美国军队都会对新兵说：努力训练，不要指望每次都能当中国人的俘虏。。。
我也挺惊讶。
我觉得这位惊讶之前先学学怎么好好说话比较好。这都什么腔调啊。你平时也这么说话？累不累 ...
thehand 发表于 2010/12/23 16:42 http://bbs.m4.cn/images/common/back.gif
这位先生，请您先搞明白，别人（我指的是除你之外的所有人）想参军，是别人的事情。
至于有无意思，可不是你说了算的。
用什么腔调说话，并不影响你是否能理解我在说什么。
如果我的腔调使您脑袋崩裂，如果不是因为您书读的太少以至于不能看懂，那么我只能劝你先去看一下贵国的精神科医生~
回复 23# 三季稻
还有后续啊。请继续贴出。多谢~
三季稻，你可以把这个芬兰小孩的邮件地址给我吗？我想和他通邮件
我自己就非常，狂热的崇拜解放军。我希望我可以和他成为朋友~
建议把这个外国小孩子 作为中国驻欧洲的 特工后备人员培养
Hyacinthus 发表于 2010/12/22 22:02 http://bbs.m4.cn/images/common/back.gif
假设有个人无比信任你，相信你。而你却利用他~
本帖最后由 三季稻 于 2010-12-23 19:33 编辑
三季稻，你可以把这个芬兰小孩的邮件地址给我吗？我想和他通邮件
我自己就非常，狂热的崇拜解放军。我希望 ...
連長 发表于 2010-12-23 19:06 http://bbs.m4.cn/images/common/back.gif
我就一搬运工。。。。。有兴趣的话你去原文地址问一下吧，或者联系下翻译作者Aville
，说不定那个芬兰孩子也对连长很有兴趣。
犹记得当年有传言，说美国军队都会对新兵说：努力训练，不要指望每次都能当中国人的俘虏。。。 ...
diwent 发表于 2010-12-23 18:51 http://bbs.m4.cn/images/common/back.gif
真的假的Q68)
不过说实在的 当俘虏的话就得当解放军的俘虏待遇最好
别的 你就等着被虐囚吧
我就一搬运工。。。。。有兴趣的话你去原文地址问一下吧，或者联系下翻译作者Aville
，说不定那个芬 ...
三季稻 发表于 2010-12-23 19:30 http://bbs.m4.cn/images/common/back.gif
谢谢稻子继续搬啊o3O118)