【BBC1229】梵蒂冈对北京做出和解姿态
本帖最后由 kisme676 于 2011-11-29 22:30 编辑更新时间 2011年11月29日, 格林尼治标准时间08:28
http://wscdn.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/assets/images/2011/11/29/111129075608_vatican_china_304x171_ap.jpg 据报中国的天主教徒人数已经接近1200万。
作为向北京表示和解的姿态，罗马教廷周一（11月28日）批准了中国官方天主教会任命的一位助理主教。但罗马教廷同时表示，不希望未得到梵蒂冈承认的那些“非法”主教出席周三在四川宜宾举行的任命仪式。
47岁的罗雪刚的任命仪式将由得到梵蒂冈认可的宜宾教区95岁的主教陈适中主持。
梵蒂冈发言人隆巴迪证实，罗雪刚的任命得到了教皇的祝圣，并希望那些未得到梵蒂冈承认的中国官方教会的主教不要参加任命仪式。
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最近数月，梵蒂冈和中国爱国天主教会围绕着对中国天主教会主教的任命权的争议日益激烈。
中国爱国教会去年11月任命了一名未得到梵蒂冈承认的主教导致双方关系进一步紧张。
中国《环球时报》英文版星期二（11月29日）发表社论指出，中国和梵蒂冈之间围绕主教任命问题仍存在僵局。
然而北京和梵蒂冈都承认，双方仍在没有正式外交关系的情况下保持频繁接触。
据中国官方公布的数字，中国的天主教徒人数为570万，但独立消息来源认为，中国的天主教徒至少接近1200万。
洋教...... 真有那么多的洋教徒？ secpol 发表于 2011-11-29 23:00 static/image/common/back.gif
真有那么多的洋教徒？
nc还是比较多的！ 我告诉你，这些洋教徒是怎么来的，我是宁波人，家附近有一个工业区，3年前，一家企业的老板出了车祸，被救活后，突然说感受到了天主，就信了洋教，然后说，在他的厂子里，不信教的人要开除，于是，又一夜间，宁波多了上千个洋教徒。这1000多号人，到底有多少信教的心理，那真是鬼知道了，没准几年后，这个老板一倒台，那1000多号教徒又开始念佛了。 政教合一 很多人信教的動機就和以前的迷信差不多。別以為梵蒂岡有什麽了不起的，很多老外，像是新教，東正教徒都不待見他們，梵蒂岡的醜聞多了去了，神父沒事爆爆男童的菊花神馬的 本帖最后由 lyycc 于 2011-11-30 08:20 编辑
梵蒂冈只能代表天主教么？
东正教就不用说了，基督教和梵蒂冈有没有联系？ 梵蒂冈落寞了：就那么一个小国，还处在包围之中，没有一点自己的经济来源，全靠吸血教徒来维持自己的奢华享受；重要的还是没有自知之明，对别国的宗教信仰指手画脚的。
相比之下美国强大资金支持下的新教就比较成功，不过现在给同化的比较严重。因为米国在中国走的是上层路线（控制教会高层、发展大学生去落后地区传教、派本国的传教士来中国），没有群众基础。现在全国各地的温州教会就是在那里的发达的一个或几个人一起牵头发展起来的，里面有一些经济利益和派内权利牵扯。参考温州的经商和投资模式就比较清楚了。 怎么突然想起当年英国跟梵蒂冈的主教任命之争了？世俗权力与神权的斗争，梵蒂冈都玩儿了一千多年了怎么还没玩儿够啊？话说中国到底是个无神论为主的国家，他们到底哪来的那么多自信，觉得自己居然可以跟这个国家玩什么讨价还价的把戏？？ 宗教就是宗教，既没有必要去丑化它，也没有必要去美化它！
它只是人内心的一种需要！
人心既需要善，也需要恶！
用之为善，即为善！ 用之巍峨，即为恶！ 本帖最后由 lilyma06 于 2011-11-30 17:35 编辑
路透也有篇报道
China says "sincere" with Vatican ahead of ordination
(Reuters) - China said on Tuesday it was sincere about better ties with the Vatican, a day before the planned ordination of a bishop that will be a test of whether the two sides can rein in tensions over control of religious life.
The Vatican and Beijing agreed to allow Father Peter Luo Xuegang, serving alongside an aged and more senior "ordinary" bishop, to be ordained in Yibin diocese in southwest China, according to reports. That would mark a break with a cluster of controversial appointments made without the Pope's approval.
The ordination of bishops is a key test in dealings between China and the Vatican, because it sets the Communist Party's role in policing religious life against the Catholic Church's traditional hostility to interference from secular authorities.
The Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Hong Lei did not comment directly on the ordination of Father Peter in Yibin, a small city in Sichuan province, southwest China.
"We have always been sincere about improving relations with the Vatican," Hong told a daily news briefing in response to a question about the scheduled ordination.
The Vatican spokesman, Father Federico Lombardi, said that if the planned ordination happens, "it would be of a candidate who has been approved by the Holy See."
"I hope, obviously, that if the ordination takes place, the norms of the Catholic Church will be respected, that is, that the faithful are informed about the Holy See's approval of the candidate and that no illegitimate bishops attend the liturgical celebration," he said in a statement.
Chinese Catholics number between 8 million and 12 million, and are divided between a state-sanctioned church that has installed bishops without the Vatican's approval and an "underground" wing long wary of associating with the Communist Party-run Patriotic Catholic Association.
Pope Benedict has encouraged the two sides of the divided Chinese church to reconcile, and engaged in a low-key dialogue with Beijing about political ties.
But from late last year Chinese authorities appointed three bishops without the Vatican's approval, igniting strains in relations.
Beijing and the Vatican broke formal diplomatic relations shortly after the Chinese Communists took power in 1949.
The Holy See is one of the few governments to preserve formal diplomatic ties with Taiwan -- the self-ruled island that mainland China deems an illegitimate breakaway -- and Beijing has pressed for the Pope to shift recognition to it.
In July, the Vatican said it had excommunicated a Chinese bishop ordained without papal approval, and Pope Benedict said he "deplored" the way Communist Party authorities have treated Chinese Catholics faithful to Rome.
AsiaNews, an online service that reports on Catholic affairs, however, reported earlier that the ordination in Yibin is "taking place with the permission of the Holy See and the consecrating bishop has long been in communion with the Pope."
In past years, the two sides have also quietly reached agreement on appointing bishops. The Vatican has also absolved bishops appointed through government channels who it determined had gone along under coercion.
But AsiaNews said an excommunicated bishop from nearby Leshan diocese is likely to participate in the ceremony, potentially bringing tensions into the event.
"Several bishops of neighboring dioceses, who thought to participate in the ordination, are now afraid to participate," because of the excommunicated bishop's presence, it said. 梵蒂冈有些野蛮。 哎，西方史就是一部宗教史
斗过来斗过去 可以理解，中央与达赖的转世灵童斗法，就是控制权之争 谁说是和解？简直就是胡扯！
懂得一点中国基督教现状的人都知道，罗雪刚就是反d反zf分子，叔侄两个人都是！ 梵蒂冈对爱国一流的主教如黄等人，处于绝罚，对心向梵蒂冈的罗家叔侄予以承认，这叫示好？这是笑里藏刀，赤裸裸的耍手段罢了！ 示好不示好没有什么意义 什么鸟玩意儿 理他干嘛
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