【10.02.24 Arab News】哈佛大学研究员呼吁用种族灭绝的措施来遏止巴勒斯坦人出生

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【中文标题】哈佛大学研究员呼吁用种族灭绝的措施来遏止巴勒斯坦人出生
【原文标题】Harvard fellow calls for genocidal measure to curb Palestinian births
【登载媒体】  Arab News.com
【来源地址】http://arabnews.com/middleeast/article22006.ece
【译者】hong_hai_er
【翻译方式】人工

【原文库链接】http://bbs.m4.cn/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=225687&
【译文】

Harvard fellow calls for genocidal measure to curb Palestinian births哈佛大学研究员呼吁用种族灭绝的措施来遏止巴勒斯坦人出生

                                                                                       

                                                                   By THE ELECTRONIC INTIFADA                                             

            

                Published: Feb 24, 2010 11:03 PM                Updated: Feb 24, 2010 11:03 PM            

A fellow at Harvard University’s Weatherhead Center for International Affairs, Martin Kramer, has called for “the West” to take measures to curb the births of Palestinians, a proposal that appears tomeet the international legal definition of a call for genocide.

在哈佛大学的韦瑟黑德国际事务中心研究员马丁克莱默，呼吁西方国家采取措施制止巴勒斯坦人的出生，(这是) 一个建议看来符合"要求种族灭绝"的国际法律定义。

            
Kramer,who is also a fellow at the influential Washington Institute for Near East Policy (WINEP), made the call early this month in a speech at Israel’s Herzliya conference, a video of which is posted on his blog(“Superfluous young men,” February 7, 2010).

同时也是极具影响力的研究所华盛顿近东政策（WINEP) 研究员的克莱默，较早时在以色列海尔兹利亚会议作出这样的呼吁，这个呼吁的视频讲话本月初张贴在他的博客（“过剩的年轻人” 2010年2月7日）。

In the speech Kramer rejected common views that Islamist “radicalization” is caused by US policies such as support for Israel, or propping up despotic dictatorships, and stated that it was inherent in the demography of Muslim societies such as Yemen, Iraq, Afghanistan and the Israeli-occupied Gaza Strip. Too many children, he argued, lead to too many “superfluous young men” who then become violent radicals.

克莱默在讲话中否定了伊斯兰“极端化”是由美国的政策 - 例如支持以色列，或扶植独裁政权 - 所造成的，他认为这是在穆斯林社会如也门，伊拉克，阿富汗和被以色列占领的加沙地带的人口问题固有的(现象)。他认为，太多的儿童，导致太多变成了暴力的激进分子的“过剩的年轻人”。

Kramer proposed that the number of Palestinian children born in the Gaza Strip should be deliberately curbed, and alleged that this would “happen faster if the West stops providing pro-natal subsidies to Palestinians with refugee status.”

克雷默建议在加沙地带的巴勒斯坦出生的儿童人数应刻意抑制，并声称，如果西方国家停止提供鼓励生育补贴，难民地位的巴勒斯坦人, 这将更加快成为事实。”

Due to the Israeli blockade, the vast majority of Palestinians in Gaza are now dependent on UN food aid.Neither the UN, nor any other agencies, provide Palestinians with specifically “pro-natal subsidies.”

由于以色列的封锁，现在在加沙绝的大多数巴勒斯坦人依靠联合国的粮食援助。无论是联合国或任何其他机构，都没有为巴勒斯坦人提供特别“生育补贴。”

Kramer appeared to be equating any humanitarian assistance at all with inducement for Palestinians to reproduce.

克莱默似乎认为人道主义援助等同于引发了巴勒斯坦人生育的意愿。


He added, “Israel’s present sanctions on Gaza have a political aim —undermine the Hamas regime — but if they also break Gaza’s runaway population growth, and there is some evidence that they have, that might begin to crack the culture of martyrdom which demands a constant supply of superfluous young men.” This, he claimed, would be treating the issue of radicalization “at its root.”

他补充说，"以色列对加沙地带目前的制裁有其政治目的 - 就是削弱哈马斯政权 - 但是，如果他们也在加沙的失控人口增长下点功夫，他们已经有一些证据表明，这可能开始破解了一个需要源源不断的过剩年轻人的殉难文化问题。“他声称，这, 将是从根本上治疗的激进”的问题。"


The 1948 UN Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide, created in the wake of the Nazi holocaust, defines genocide to include measures“intended to prevent births within” a specific “national, ethnic,racial or religious group.”


1948年在纳粹大屠杀事件后诞生的关于防止及惩治种族灭绝罪行的联合国公约，订明: "种族灭绝"罪定义是指意图阻止一个特定的国家，民族，种族或宗教团体的成员出生的手段。



The Weatherhead Center at Harvard describes itself as “the largest international research center within Harvard University’s Faculty of Arts and Sciences.” In addition to his positions at Harvard and WINEP, Kramer is “president-designate” of Shalem College in Jerusalem, a far-right Zionist institution that aspires to be the “College of the Jewish People.”

在哈佛大学韦瑟黑德中心自称为“哈佛大学艺术与科学学院内最大的国际研究中心。除了在哈佛大学和WINEP的职位之外，克莱默是一所在耶路撒冷的极右犹太复国主义, 致力成为权威的"犹太人大学”机构 - 舍拉姆学院的候任主席。


Pro-Israel speakers from the United States often participate in the Herzliya conference, an influential annual gathering of Israel’s political and military establishment. This year’s conference was also addressed by The New York Times columnist Thomas Friedman and, in a first for a Palestinian official, by Salam Fayyad, appointed prime minister of the Ramallah-based Palestinian Authority.


美国亲以色列的讲者经常参加海尔兹利亚会议，一个有影响力的以色列政治和军事机构的年度盛会。今年的会议上发言的还有纽约时报专栏作家托马斯弗里德曼，和首次有一名由萨拉姆法耶兹任命为巴勒斯坦权力机构拉马拉的总理的巴勒斯坦官员。


Kramer’s call to prevent Palestinian births reflects a long-standing Israeli and Zionist concern about a so-called “demographic threat” to Israel, as Palestinians are on the verge of outnumbering Israeli Jews within Israel, and the occupied Palestinian territories combined.

克莱默的号召，反映出以色列和犹太复国主义关注巴勒斯坦出生人口造成所谓的“人口威胁”问题长期存在，因为在以色列境内的巴勒斯坦人口逐渐超过在以色列和巴勒斯坦领土区的犹太人口的总和。


Such extreme racist views have been aired at the Herzliya conference in the past. In 2003,for example, Dr. Yitzhak Ravid, an Israeli government armaments expert,called on Israel to “implement a stringent policy of family planning in relation to its Muslim population,” a reference to the 1.5 million Palestinian citizens of Israel.

在过去的海尔兹利亚会议中已经出现过这种极端的种族主义论调。以2003年为例，以色列政府军备专家伊扎克博士，呼吁以色列“严厉执行其有关穆斯林人口计划生育的政策，” 这里是指以色列境内的150万巴勒斯坦人。

和解团结

Martin Kramer就此发表过一个声明（http://www.martinkramer.org/sand ... erfluous-young-men/）。还有WCFIA的（http://www.martinkramer.org/sand ... tions-are-baseless/）

You get six minutes at the Herzliya Conference to say something memorable (and there is a clock ticking away at your feet, facing the audience). So I made a memorable argument for the role of population growth in radicalization, a clip of which is embedded below. It’s memorable—but not at all original. I first encountered the idea in the stimulating work of Gunnar Heinsohn (here is one example of many). My discussion of the Palestinian angle isn’t original either. See Heinsohn’s “Ending the West’s Proxy War Against Israel: Stop funding a Palestinian youth bulge, and the fighting will stop too” (here).

There is also one error in my popularized recycling of his thesis. Heinsohn’s rule of thumb is that when 30 percent or more of the total male population is between 15-29 (fighting age), violence ensues. In my talk, I added that I would put it higher, at 40 percent. But that 40 percent should be of the total adult male population (15-64). I doubt that in any of the countries of the region, the 15-29 range accounts for 40 percent of total male population. Heinsohn is right.

An excellent compendium of demographic data on age structure in the Middle East, and a valuable discussion of it, may be found in the Stanford Center for Longevity’s “Critical Demographics of the Greater Middle East: A New Lens for Understanding Regional Issues” (here).

yangshu314

是犹太人？如果犹太人走上纳粹路还真讽刺。

hong_hai_er

回复 2# 和解团结


    如果是说人家"屈"他, 误解了他, 最好公开当日的演讲稿以正视听

和解团结

回复  和解团结


    如果是说人家"屈"他, 误解了他, 最好公开当日的演讲稿以正视听 ...
hong_hai_er 发表于 2010-2-26 05:49

Youtube上有那个演讲的节选，不过只有1分07秒
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smfbF_l0euo
另外还有他的一段解释
http://www.martinkramer.org/sandbox/2010/02/smear-intifada/

他的原话是
Aging populations reject radical agendas, and the Middle East is no different. Now eventually, this will happen among the Palestinians too, but it will happen faster if the West stops providing pro-natal subsidies for Palestinians with refugee status. Those subsidies are one reason why, in the ten years from 1997 to 2007, Gaza’s population grew by an astonishing 40 percent. At that rate, Gaza’s population will double by 2030, to three million. Israel’s present sanctions on Gaza have a political aim—undermine the Hamas regime—but if they also break Gaza’s runaway population growth—and there is some evidence that they have—that might begin to crack the culture of martyrdom which demands a constant supply of superfluous young men. That is rising to the real challenge of radical indoctrination, and treating it at its root.

hong_hai_er

这个是六分三秒的 full-length 版:

Martin Kramer on Radicalization, 2010 Herzliya Conf.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CaJXFbH4McM&feature=player_embedded

他的原话是
Aging populations reject radical agendas, and the Middle East is no different. Now eventually, this will happen among the Palestinians too, but it will happen faster if the West stops providing pro-natal subsidies for Palestinians with refugee status. Those subsidies are one reason why, in the ten years from 1997 to 2007, Gaza’s population grew by an astonishing 40 percent. At that rate, Gaza’s population will double by 2030, to three million. Israel’s present sanctions on Gaza have a political aim—undermine the Hamas regime—but if they also break Gaza’s runaway population growth—and there is some evidence that they have—that might begin to crack the culture of martyrdom which demands a constant supply of superfluous young men. That is rising to the real challenge of radical indoctrination, and treating it at its root.

你引这段说话出来不给翻译, 也不附上你的意见, 不知你想说明什么?


你不翻译我来译吧 ! 译文:

人口老龄化可以抵消了极端主义的议程,  中东地区也没有什么不同。现在，最终，这将发生在巴勒斯坦人，如果西方停止提供支持有难民身分的巴勒斯坦人的生育补贴, 这会来得更快。这些补贴是1997年至07年十年内加沙的人口有百分之四十的惊人增的原因之一。按照这个速度，加沙地带的人口到2030年将增加一倍，至300万人。以色列对加沙地带目前的制裁有其政治目的 - 就是削弱哈马斯政权 - 但是，如果他们也在加沙的失控人口增长下点功夫，他们已经有一些证据表明，这可能开始破解了一个需要源源不断的过剩年轻人的殉难文化问题。那是对灌输极端主义的真正挑战, 要以它的根源来处理对待。

Left

美国，邪教之国

两怀

纳粹德国和欧洲人为什么反犹，这个问题应该搞清楚，

免禽

回复 8# 两怀

纳粹德国和欧洲人为什么反犹，这个问题应该搞清楚，

特别在中国，实在太有这个必要了。想回避，已经找上你的门了，再回避，恐怕刀就要到脖子上了。

fukgm

Martin Kramer就此发表过一个声明（）。还有WCFIA的（）

You get six minutes at the Herzliya Conference ...
和解团结 发表于 2010-2-26 05:34

    等于没解释 唉

寒风烈

这位教授也认识到了人口对于民族兴亡的重要性，但AC的童子似乎就是认识不到。

红尘不透

犹太人？就是那帮写旧约来YY的SB吗

ailianren2008

如果是犹太人，作为大屠杀的受害民族，说出这种话，只会使自己的民族蒙羞！

qushichen

蔚蓝矢车菊

人才啊。。。忒有才了，默克尔和希拉里应该把他请去当顾问

yyx44

中国的穆斯林人口是不是也在膨胀呢？

凤还巢

731部队归来。

jaylam

在怎么，无辜的民众也不应该承受这种待遇。

航海者

对中国的计划生育政策都是铺天盖地的批判，怎么 到他们需要的时候就……

hong_hai_er

对中国的计划生育政策都是铺天盖地的批判，怎么 到他们需要的时候就……
航海者 发表于 2010-2-26 13:04

同感! 一来是这样, 另外的是如果中国拿这种主张去处理疆独问题, 他们又会怎样说?