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标 题: 江泽民答华莱士英文版 Jiang Zemin Discusses U.S.-China Relations Mike Wallace
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Jiang Zemin Discusses U.S.-China Relations
Mike Wallace
4364 words
3 September 2000
19:00
CBS News: 60 Minutes
English
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Americans know remarkably little about Jiang Zemin, the powerful Chinese
president who arrives in New York City tomorrow to visit the U.N. and to
meet with American business leaders. The president believes China has been
misunderstood here in America, and he wants Americans to get a more
favorable -- and he says more realistic -- impression of his country.
MIKE WALLACE, CBS CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): When Jiang Zemin, the
president of China, who arrives in the United States tomorrow, let it be
known that he would like to kick off his trip with an interview on 60
MINUTES, we said there`s nothing we`d like better -- if he was willing to
level with us. And he was.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
WALLACE: In a recent headline in your government -- one of your government
newspapers, "China Daily," the paper called the U.S. "a threat to world
peace." Do you feel that way, that the United States is a threat to world
peace?
JIANG ZEMIN, PRESIDENT OF CHINA (through translator): Candidly speaking,
maybe it is because of the economic power and leading edge in science and
technology that the United States enjoys, that more often than not it tends
to overestimate itself and its position in the world.
WALLACE: You studied the speeches of Thomas Jefferson and Abraham Lincoln as
a youngster?
ZEMIN: I`ll read to you. "Four score and seven years ago, our fathers
brought forth on this continent a new nation, conceived in liberty and
dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal."
(through translator): And I think what Abraham Lincoln described still
remains the goal of American leaders today.
WALLACE: That`s true.
ZEMIN: Especially the last paragraph, "that government of the people, by the
people and for the people never perish from the Earth."
(END VIDEO CLIP)
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
BOB SIMON, CBS NEWS CORRESPONDENT: You`ve compared music in that sense to
life, this ephemeral thing surrounded by silence.
DANIEL BARENBOIM. MUSICIAN: Absolutely.
SIMON: And you said that music has prepared you in a certain way to deal
with death.
BARENBOIM: Absolutely, absolutely, not that I can accept it, because every
note dies. It`s gone.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
SIMON: Lucky for us Daniel Barenboim isn`t.
WALLACE: I`m Mike Wallace.
MORLEY SAFER, CBS CORRESPONDENT: I`m Morley Safer.
ED BRADLEY, CBS CORRESPONDENT: I`m Ed Bradley.
STEVE KROFT, CBS CORRESPONDENT: I`m Steve Kroft.
LESLIE STAHL, CBS CORRESPONDENT: I`m Leslie Stahl. Those stories and Andy
Rooney tonight on 60 MINUTES.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)
WALLACE (voice-over): In the 50 years since the Communist Party took power
there, China has had just three paramount leaders: Mao Tse-Tung, Deng
Xiaoping, and now Jiang Zemin, who currently rules over almost 1.3 billion
people -- one out of every five people on Earth. He`s been in charge for 11
years, since Deng chose him to restore stability after the brutality at
Tiananmen Square. But still, Americans know remarkably little about this
powerful man who arrives in New York City tomorrow to visit the U.N. and to
meet with American business leaders.
The president believes China has been misunderstood here in America, and he
wants Americans to get a more favorable -- and he says more realistic --
impression of his country.
ZEMIN: I hope to convey through your program my best wishes to American
people.
WALLACE (voice-over): He`s been called the silk-wrapped needle, and in this
interview you`ll see why.
For several years, we`ve been asking to sit down with him. Finally, the
president invited us to China and told us he was willing to answer any
question.
(on camera): In a recent headline in one of your government newspapers, "
China Daily," the paper called the U.S. "a threat to world peace." Do you
feel that way, that the United States is a threat to world peace?
ZEMIN (through translator): Candidly speaking, maybe it is because of the
economic power and leading edge in science and technology that the United
States enjoys, that more often than not it tends to overestimate itself and
its position in the world. But today I want to convey a nice message to the
American people, so I don`t want to use too many tough words in our talk.
WALLACE: Al Gore, George W. Bush -- one of them is going to be president of
the United States while you are president of China. If they are watching
right now, what would you want to say to them about future U.S. relations
with China?
ZEMIN (through translator): I have a lot of friends among the leaders of
both parties -- Republicans and Democrats.
WALLACE: So you give money to both their campaigns?
ZEMIN (through translator): Are you just joking? We have never done such
things. I have read the campaign platforms of both parties and I believe
whoever becomes president will try to improve the friendly relations between
China and the United States, for this is in the strategic interest of the
whole world.
Someone asked me not to pay attention to unfriendly remarks candidates might
make about China during the campaign because once elected, they will be
friendly. I only hope that`s true.
WALLACE: The president had agreed to give short answers so that we could
cover more ground. And when I reminded him about it, he was ready for me.
ZEMIN (through translator): But I think my answer is roughly the same length
as your question.
WALLACE: I know it. That`s absolutely true.
ZEMIN (through translator): If you make concise and brief questions, I`ll
give you brief answers.
WALLACE (voice-over): This was the first time Western television cameras had
been allowed inside the president`s summer compound on the beach at the
resort town of Bedaihuh. It has been called China`s Camp David.
This is where the country`s leaders meet in private every August to develop
their plans for the coming year. The president agreed to speak candidly with
us, so we asked him to tell us candidly...
(on camera): ... how would you characterize the state of relations between
China and the United States today, Mr. President?
ZEMIN (through translator): On the whole, relations between China and the
United States are good. However, I would like to use words people use to
describe nature to describe the state of China-U.S. relations. Our relations
have experienced wind, rain, and sometimes clouds or even dark clouds.
However, sometimes it clears up. We all sincerely hope to build a
constructive partnership between China and the United States.
WALLACE: That`s spoken like a real politician. There`s no candor in it.
ZEMIN (through translator): I don`t think "politician" is a very nice word.
WALLACE: It`s a diplomatic word in this case.
(voice-over): Jiang Zemin is a gregarious fellow who loves center stage, but
he has not given an extended interview to an American television reporter
for 10 years, partly, he says, because Americans refuse to believe that the
vast majority of Chinese are actually satisfied with one-party rule.
One of our most spirited exchanges was over his objection to our use of the
word "dictator."
(on camera): You are the last major communist dictatorship in the world.
ZEMIN: You mean I`m dictatorship?
WALLACE: Well, of course. A developmental dictatorship is what we believe it
is. Am I wrong?
ZEMIN: Of course. This is big mistake.
WALLACE: you are, it seems to me, a dictator, an authoritarian.
ZEMIN: No, but I -- very frank speaking, I don`t agree with your point, I am
dictator.
WALLACE: I know you don`t. I know that you don`t. But there`s an old
American phrase about if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck and so
forth, it`s a duck.
ZEMIN: What means dictatorship?
WALLACE: A dictator is somebody who forcibly, whether it`s free press or
free religion or free private enterprise -- now you`re beginning to come a
little closer to that -- you, father, knows best. And if you get in the way
of father, father will take care of you.
ZEMIN (through translator): Your way of describing what things are like in
China is as absurd as what "The Arabian Nights" may sound like. The National
People`s Congress selects the Central Committee of the Communist Party, and
the Central Committee has a Politburo. And the Politburo has a standing
committee of which I`m a member. And no decision is made unless all members
agree.
WALLACE: But when we talk about dictatorship, I`m -- I`m wagging my finger
at the president of China. You know what? When I see the picture of that one
young man in front of the tank in Tiananmen Square, that to me means
Chinese dictatorship. That`s a wonderful symbol that hits -- hits me in my
heart about dictatorship in China.
ZEMIN: I don`t need translation. I know what you say.
WALLACE: I know.
ZEMIN (through translator): I`m very willing to answer these questions.
WALLACE (voice-over): So we reminded him that he himself had been a student
demonstrator more than 50 years ago.
(on camera): You were a student protester in Shanghai.
ZEMIN: That`s right.
WALLACE: At the time of the nationalists, we want freedom, we want democracy
. That was you.
ZEMIN: That`s right.
WALLACE: That`s what those people in Tiananmen Square were saying: We want
freedom. We want democracy.
ZEMIN (through translator): In the 1989 disturbance, we truly understood the
passion of students who were calling for greater democracy and freedom. In
fact, we have always been working to improve our system of democracy, but we
could not possibly allow people with ulterior motives to use the students
to overthrow the government under the pretext of democracy and freedom.
WALLACE: Did a part of you admire his courage?
ZEMIN (through translator): He was never arrested. I don`t know where he is
now. Looking at the picture, I know he definitely had his own ideas.
WALLACE: You haven`t answered the question, Mr. President. Did a part of
Jiang Zemin admire his courage?
ZEMIN (through translator): I know what you are driving at, but what I want
to emphasize is that we fully respect every citizen`s right to freely
express his wishes and desires. But I do not favor any flagrant opposition
to government actions during an emergency. The tank stopped and did not run
the young man down.
WALLACE: I`m not talking about the tank. I`m talking about that man`s heart,
that man`s courage, that man, that lonely man standing against that. One
month after Tiananmen, you wrote a speech. And in it, you said, "Corruption
is growing in the soil if all our party and our government organs use their
power to seek material benefits. Isn`t this just like fleecing the people in
broad daylight?"
Those students in Tiananmen had also been protesting against the corruption
that you talked about. So apparently they did have some effect on you and on
your party.
ZEMIN (through translator): I hate corruption. You are right that during the
1989 disturbance, students were chanting slogans against corruption. So on
this specific point, the party shares the same position as the students.
WALLACE (voice-over): As an aside, and to underline his credentials as a
student demonstrator in times past, the president himself sang a protest
song he`d used back in 1943 against Japanese troops who were occupying parts
of China. The title: "Arise Fellow Students to Defend the Motherland."
ZEMIN: (SINGING IN CHINESE)
WALLACE: The president`s aides suggested it would be unfair to show pictures
of the violence at Tiananmen Square because, they say, Jiang Zemin had
nothing to do with it. But they were glad to give us pictures of their
embassy in Belgrade, which had been demolished by American bombers during
NATO`s air war last year.
(on camera): Mr. President, do you still believe that the United States
bombed your embassy in Belgrade on purpose?
ZEMIN (through translator): Let me put it the other way around. The United
States has state-of-the-art technology, so all the explanations that they
have given us for what they call a mistaken bombing are absolutely
unconvincing.
WALLACE: What would the United States get out of bombing your embassy in
Belgrade?
ZEMIN: This for me is also a question.
(through translator): The identification marks of the Chinese embassy in
Belgrade were too clear for people to miss. So why has there been such an
incident? It is still a question. But we have decided to look forward, to
improve China-U.S. relations.
WALLACE: I understand that. And that`s behind us. But you know it`s possible
for the CIA and the Pentagon to make mistakes -- stupid mistakes. The
American people -- the American people have no doubt, no doubt in their mind
, I think, that this was simply a mistake.
ZEMIN (through translator): President Clinton apologized to me for the
bombing many times on the telephone. I told him, since you represent
Americans and I Chinese, it would be impossible for us to reach total
agreement on this issue.
WALLACE (voice-over): When 60 MINUTES returns, the president will give us
his views on Abraham Lincoln, American morals and accused spy Dr. Wen Ho Lee
.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
WALLACE (voice-over): President Jiang Zemin says his polls tell him the
Chinese people believe that one-party rule is the best way to maintain
stability and increase prosperity. And while the president is 74 and
scheduled to step down in less than three years, he has indicated that he
might stay on beyond that.
His unfulfilled dream, of course, is to unite Taiwan with the mainland, and
he told us that he would fly to Taiwan himself for unification talks, if
Taiwan were to agree in advance that it is part of China, which so far
Taiwan has been unwilling to do.
We asked the president about that Taiwan-born scientist who has become a
source of some controversy in the United States and China.
(on camera): You know the name of Dr. Wen Ho Lee? Do you know the man?
ZEMIN: I know famous scientist.
WALLACE: Famous scientist, Chinese.
ZEMIN: Chinese? Overseas Chinese.
WALLACE: Hmm?
ZEMIN: Overseas Chinese.
WALLACE: Oh, overseas Chinese. He went to the United States in 1964...
ZEMIN: That`s right.
WALLACE: ... and had a wonderful career, and went to Los Alamos National
Laboratory. And suddenly they decided that he was a spy, conceivably for you
. Was he?
ZEMIN (through translator): I can tell you frankly, China was not in any way
involved in Wen Ho Lee`s case. But we do know that he is a scientist.
WALLACE: Who came here to China and talked to your scientists.
ZEMIN (through translator): That`s nothing strange. It`s just as normal as
some Chinese scientists traveling abroad. Allow me to quote a Chinese
proverb which goes, "If you are out to condemn someone, you can always trump
up a charge."
We don`t know what political motives are behind it. Today, the Chinese still
see Wen Ho Lee as a renowned scientist.
WALLACE: That`s all?
ZEMIN: That`s all.
WALLACE: Not a spy?
ZEMIN: Of course...
WALLACE: You seem almost defensive.
(voice-over): For the first time in this whole conversation, when I raised
the name of Wen Ho Lee, all of a sudden I sensed...
(on camera): This is a difficult subject for you.
ZEMIN: This is not difficult to me. This is your feeling.
WALLACE: Correct.
ZEMIN (through translator): Maybe under the lights.
WALLACE: Conceivably under the lights.
ZEMIN: What do you think?
WALLACE: I`m not supposed to think.
ZEMIN: You say wen Ho Lee`s a spy, Chinese spy, or not?
WALLACE: Do I think?
ZEMIN: That`s right. You are to consider carefully.
WALLACE: I am considering very carefully. You`ve stumped me.
ZEMIN (through translator): No. First time I discover you face the
difficulty to answer this question.
WALLACE: Yes, that`s true. That`s true. I probably shouldn`t answer.
(voice-over): If there was ever a time to change the subject, this was it.
(on camera): You studied the speeches of Thomas Jefferson and Abraham
Lincoln as a youngster when you were learning English?
ZEMIN (through translator): When I was in middle school. And later, when I
was a teacher, I used Lincoln`s Gettysburg Address in my course. Do you want
me to quote some lines from it?
WALLACE: I do indeed.
ZEMIN (through translator): I`ll read to you. "Four score and seven years
ago, our fathers brought forth on this continent a new nation, conceived in
liberty and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal."
WALLACE: Why did you learn that by heart?
ZEMIN (through translator): I focused on the words "all men are created
equal."
WALLACE: Right.
ZEMIN (through translator): Because this had a great influence on students
when I was young. And I think what Abraham Lincoln described still remains
the goal of American leaders today.
WALLACE: That`s true.
ZEMIN (through translator): Especially the last paragraph: "the government
of the people, by the people and for the people, never perish from the Earth
."
WALLACE: And Abraham Lincoln was elected by the people, correct?
ZEMIN: That`s right. Why is it that Americans can elect their national
leaders, but you apparently don`t trust the Chinese people to elect your
national leaders? Why?
ZEMIN (through translator): I am also an elected leader, though we have a
different electoral system. Each country should have its own system because
our countries have different cultures and historic traditions and different
levels of education and economic development.
WALLACE (voice-over): Jiang was chosen by the top leaders of the Communist
Party. Public elections occur only in some villages and small towns and
candidates must either be members of the Communist Party or run as
independents.
(on camera): But I don`t understand still why you have a one-party state.
What would happen -- what would happen in China if there were two or three
parties? Isn`t it conceivable that, as in the United States, the competition
between the parties to represent the majority of the people in that country
make for a better country?
ZEMIN (through translator): Why must we have opposition parties? You are
trying to apply the American values and the American political system to the
whole world. But that is not very wise.
WALLACE (voice-over): Many China scholars believe the president has, in
effect, made a deal with the Chinese people: to increase their economic and
social freedom, to work and live as they please, and in return the people
give up any right to challenge the authority of the Communist Party.
But the president doesn`t see it that way. He told us the people and the
party are working together toward mutual goals.
ZEMIN (through translator): Let me be frank. China and the United States
differ greatly in terms of our values. You Americans always use your values
in making judgments about the political situation in other countries. We
want to learn from the West about science and technology and how to manage
the economy, but this must be combined with specific conditions here. That`s
how we have made great progress in the last 20 years.
WALLACE: Fact is, China`s standard of living has been rising dramatically.
And in China, like America, it`s the economy that largely determines people`
s satisfaction with their government.
The president maintains that the vast majority here believe strong one-party
rule is the best way to hold this huge population together and to keep the
economy growing. So stability is the top priority -- sometimes at the
expense of human rights.
(on camera): New subject, one you`re not going to want to talk about: human
rights. You persecute something called Falun Gong. They do exercises, they
believe in a certain spiritual life. What is it that worries you so about
Falun Gong that you torture, arrest, kill, et cetera. What is it?
ZEMIN (through translator): I will tell you. Their leader, Li Hongzhi,
claims to be the reincarnation of the chief Buddha, and also a reincarnated
Jesus Christ. Can you believe that? He said that doomsday was about to come
and that the Earth was going to explode. In fact, what he says are just
fallacies to deceive people. But as a result of his preaching, many families
were broken and many lives were lost. So after careful deliberations we
concluded that Falun Gong is an evil cult.
WALLACE: A cult?
ZEMIN: Cult.
(through translator): By the way, no Falun Gong followers have ever been
sentenced to death.
WALLACE (voice-over): But 26 of them have reportedly died in police custody.
President Jiang told us Falun Gong has driven thousands of its members to
commit suicide. But Falun Gong says that`s ridiculous, that it does not
encourage suicide, and that it`s still going strong despite the Chinese
government`s efforts to quash it.
(on camera): Look, you have persecuted Christians. It`s well known. You have
persecuted Falun Gong. It is difficult to understand why a big power like
China would want to persecute people because of their religion.
ZEMIN (through translator): One thing we have to make very clear. Just now,
you mixed up two things: Christianity and Falun Gong. Under China`s
constitution, people have the freedom of religious belief. But Falun Gong is
a cult. It is totally different from Christianity.
WALLACE: But you will acknowledge then that the Christians have been
persecuted by the Communist Party in China, yes? No?
ZEMIN (through translator): No, but like anyone else, Christians should not
break Chinese laws.
WALLACE (voice-over): The government does recognize Christianity, Chinese-
style. But foreign missionaries are banned, and evangelical groups are not
allowed to spread their faith without government approval.
As for freedom of speech, criticism of the government can get you arrested,
and Jiang Zemin has always favored tough government controls of the press.
The press, he has said, should be a mouthpiece of the party.
(on camera): And there is not freedom of the press here. There is not. We
see a connection between freedom of the people and freedom of the press.
What do you fear from a free press?
ZEMIN (through translator): I think all countries and parties must have
their own publications to publicize their ideas. We do have freedom of the
press, but such freedom should be subordinate to and serve the interests of
the nation. How can you allow such freedom to damage the national interests?
WALLACE: You`ve blocked Internet sites here in China, the BBC, "The
Washington Post." Why? Why block an Internet site? You don`t trust the
people somehow to be able to pick stuff up off the Internet and learn?
ZEMIN (through translator): We hope people will learn a lot of useful things
from the Internet. However, sometimes there is also unhealthy material,
especially pornography on the Internet, which does great harm to our
youngsters.
WALLACE: Not from the BBC and not from "The Washington Post."
ZEMIN (through translator): They might be banned because of some of their
political news reports. We need to be selective. We hope to restrict as much
as possible information not conducive to China`s development.
WALLACE: Deng Xiaoping said, "To get rich is glorious." Is it conceivable
that the more material gains that we make as human beings, the more we
become hedonists, permissive?
ZEMIN (through translator): What Deng Xiaoping advocated does allow some
people to become rich before others, but the ultimate objective is
prosperity for all. A common problem for world leaders is to avoid material
wealth on one hand but moral decline on the other.
WALLACE: Do you think that America is more decadent, for instance, than
China, and that we are exporting our decadence to you?
ZEMIN (through translator): Let me put it this way, due to many differences
between our countries in historical traditions, ways of life, religious
beliefs, et cetera, things you don`t regard as decadent in the states, we
may regard as decadent in China. That`s why we have to be very selective.
It`s a very complicated problem.
WALLACE (voice-over): Another complicated problem is trade, and President
Jiang will meet with American business leaders this week to urge them to
increase their investments in China.
Corporate America has long lusted after China`s billion-buyer market, but
the fact is China still sells a lot more to us than we sell to them.
To change that, the White House says that if the U.S. Senate approves
permanent normal trade relations with China, as the House already has, that
would force China to reduce tariffs and trade barriers, and thus to buy more
American goods. President Jiang wants normal trade relations, too, and he
wanted to end our conversation by underscoring why he had agreed to this
rarest of interviews.
ZEMIN: I`m convinced that this interview will be further promoting the
friendship and mutual understanding between our two peoples. That is all.
WALLACE: You believe that?
ZEMIN (through translator): That`s right. I`m convinced that. I trust that.
WALLACE: You admire America?
ZEMIN (through translator): That`s right.
WALLACE: And you want to be friends?
ZEMIN (through translator): I want to promote mutual understanding between
our two peoples.
(END VIDEOTAPE)
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Interview: Mike Wallace of "60 Minutes" discusses his life and career in
radio and television
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CNBC: Tim Russert
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HOST: Tim Russert TIM RUSSERT: Good evening, and welcome again. Tonight, a
very special guest. He's been in radio, television for more than 60 years.
You've watched him the last 33 years every Sunday night on "60 Minutes."
With us, the one, the only Mike Wallace.
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Mr. WALLACE: Oh, all right. Because Imus--Imus used the damn thing and--and
then--I did it because I wanted to help him. It was never supposed to be a
commercial record.
RUSSERT: We're going to take a quick break. A lot more of Mike Wallace right
after this.
(Announcements)
(Excerpt from August 15, 2000)
Mr. WALLACE: You are the last major Communist dictatorship in the world.
President JIANG ZEMIN (China): You mean a dictatorship.
Mr. WALLACE: Well, of course. But when we talk about dictatorship--I'm--I'm
wagging my finger at the president of China--you know what? When I see the
picture of that one young man in front of the tank in Tiananmen Square, that
, to me, means Chinese dictatorship. That's a wonderful symbol that hits--
hits me in my heart about dictatorship in China.
Pres. ZEMIN: I don't need translation. I know...
Mr. WALLACE: I know.
Pres. ZEMIN: ...what you say.
Mr. WALLACE: Did a part of you admire his courage?
Pres. ZEMIN: (Through Translator) He was never arrested. I don't know where
he is now. Looking at the picture, I know he definitely had his own ideas.
Mr. WALLACE: You haven't answered the question, Mr. President. Did--did a
part of Jiang Zemin admire--admire his courage?
Pres. ZEMIN: (Through Translator) I know what you are driving at, but what I
want to emphasize is that we fully respect every citizen's right to freely
express his wishes and desires, but I do not favor any flagrant opposition
to government actions during an emergency. The tank stopped and did not run
the young man down.
(End of excerpt)
RUSSERT: One year ago. And since that time, China has been awarded the
Olympics in 2008.
Mr. WALLACE: Yeah.
RUSSERT: What are your hopes for China? Do you think it can transform itself
into a real democracy?
Mr. WALLACE: Oh, yes, I surely--well, a real democracy, that--that's going
to 5ake time. He's made a st--couple of--incidentally, I like that man. I
like Jiang Zemin. He's a--he's not Mao Tse-tung, and he's not Deng Xiaoping
and he doesn't have that whatever quality of those two leaders, but he's
followed--when--when Deng Xiaoping said, `To get rich is glorious,' in a
sense, that freed the slaves. And all up and down the east coast of China,
as you well know--you take a look at Beijing or Shanghai or what used to be
Canton and Sjesje, these are world-class cities, and people are indeed on
the coast, not so--not so much internally, in--inside the--the country.
But he has now made a speech--and there's been an article, I understand, I
believe in the--in People's Daily--inviting capitalists into the Communist
Party, Chinese capula--capitalists into the Chinese party, Communist Party.
What does that mean? That's a--that's a huge--he's--he's saying, `You've
made your money privately'--from the stock exchanges now in China and so--`
You've made your money privately. Come help us in the party.' And, of course
, the--the--the old-line, the hard-line guys are not happy about it. He has
just one year, and then he has to step down from the presidency. I've--and,
of course, if that were to happen, all that--even Deng Xiaoping didn't have
the wisdom or the courage, or it was too early to invite that to happen. If
that--if that indeed happens, that's going to open the door to all kinds of
economic and political reforms in China.
RUSSERT: Mike Wallace, you've had an extraordinary American life--83 years
old, as you mentioned, more than 60 years in radio and television. Would you
change anything in your life if you could? |
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