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美国：108个中国的超级工程将会改变世界
108 Giant Chinese Infrastructure Projects That Are Reshaping The World
108个中国的超级工程将会改变世界
译文简介：
一篇介绍中国百大超级工程的文章及美国网民的反映
（中文原文：http://blog.sina.com.cn/s/articlelist_1515433781_0_2.html）
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原帖：http://www.businessinsider.com/giant-chinese-infrastructure-projects-2011-6
在此特别感谢当时共客长安同学的友情帮助！
正文翻译：
As hundreds of million of Chinese move to cities and enter the middle class, China faces a huge demand for new infrastructure.
随着上亿中国人搬进城市并进入中产阶级，中国面临着巨大的基础设施需求。
At the same time, Beijing looks to fixed-asset investments to keep the economy booming.
同时，北京政府希望通过对固定资产的投资保持经济的快速增长。
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The resultant infrastructure push is incredible. A list of 108 super projects is floating around Chinese message boards. From highways spanning the continent, to the largest wind power base in the world, to a modern Silk Road that links Europe and India, to new cities in the desert, China is showing what it really means to do big things.
这必然推动基础设施以令人难以想象的速度发展。一份“108个超级工程”的清单正在中国人的计划表里。通过大陆的公路网络，到达世界上最大的风力发电基地，到达建立在沙漠中的新城市，现代丝绸之路连接欧洲和印度，中国正在展示什么是做大事的真正含义。
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The Real Jameson Jun 8, 10:52 AMsaid:I can't think of one impressive infrastructure project that America is working on in the US (Trying to rebuild Af-Pak doesn't count).
Anyone out in internet land want to give a suggestion?
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我想不起任何一个美国正在进行的令人印象深刻的基础工程建设（重建阿富汗-巴基斯坦没有意义）
有任何一个在互联网世界之外的人能给出一个建议吗？
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falcon2on Jun 8, 11:04 AMsaid:@The Real James:
the new Oakland-SF Bay Bridge i suppose......
he Big Dig was impressive despite having so many HOV lanes went little use south of Boston and leading to the Ted Williams Tunnel...
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我想新奥克兰湾大桥算是了......
大隧道工程还是不错的，尽管南波士顿和特德威廉姆斯隧道那么多客运线几乎没什么用...
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weongon Jun 8, 11:17 AMsaid:@falcon2:
the new bridge sections were made in China!! unbelievable but true
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新大桥的零件是中国制造的！！难以置信但却是事实
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falcon2on Jun 8, 11:50 AMsaid:@weong:
thanks for the reminder... forgot about that, and in fact, ain't the Chinese are also the frontrunner to snap up the california high speed rail project too?
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谢谢提醒...忘了那个吧，事实上，难道中国人不也是加州高速铁路工程优先考虑的候选人吗？
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Lonely Patrioton Jun 8, 12:19 PMsaid:@The Real James:
All these were paid for by low wage jobs and exports to U.S. Essentially, the American public has paid for all these shovel ready projects in China with the help of traitors in our corporations and govt. who have sold us all out.
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这些本质上都是靠低工资的工作和对美国的出口，在我们公司和政府的卖国者的帮助下美国的公众为这些建设中的中国工程付出代价，这些卖国者将我们都出卖了。
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FarEasternon Jun 8, 12:41 PMsaid:@Lonely Patriot:
Then educate yourself on the American economic system of Hamilton/List and denounce the British system of Smith.Ricardo and that bearded ape, Marx (At the heart of Marxism is David Ricardo and his fraudulent comparative advantage nonsense).
America does not have to be like Russia after the fall of the CCCP, it can choose to be a great nation. It just can't be built on economic lies any longer.
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看看美国的汉密尔顿经济体系（汉密尔顿为美国构建的货币金融体系有五大支柱），鄙视一下英国的
的史密斯经济体系（亚当.斯密斯，很多童鞋都听过吧）马克思——那个满嘴毛的猿人，他的思想中心还是跟里卡多一样，什么乱七八糟的比较优势原理....
美国不应该像解体后的前苏联，它可以成为一个伟大的国家，但不是靠经济谎言就可以的
【译注：比较优势：如果一个国家在本国生产一种产品的机会成本（用其他产品来衡量）低于在其他国家生产该产品的机会成本的话，则这个国家在生产该种产品上就拥有比较优势】
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Sylvain Allardon Jun 8, 6:19 PMsaid:@The Real James:
Major infrastructure projects in America?
Wait until after WW3 which we're working on intensively!
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美国的重大基础建设项目？
只有等我们待在第三次世界大战后的集中营力建了。
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patoon Jun 8, 6:31 PMsaid:@The Real James:
environmentalists have destroyed americas ability to do these things,
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环境保护主义者已经摧毁了美国做大型基建的能力。
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Snake Pliskinon Jun 8, 8:16 PMsaid:@The Real James:
We have new abstract methods of trading stocks using electronic funds without backing for shell companies that don't exist!
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我们有在不需要有实体公司存在的情况下如何使用电子资金进行股票交易的新抽象理论。
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vadimzzzon Jun 8, 11:05 AMsaid:
But China is a commmunist country... right?
And communism is evil... right?
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但是中国是共产主义国家...对吗？
共产主义是恶魔...对吗？
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Jumboon Jun 8, 11:58 AMsaid:@vadimzzz:
Right. Communism is bad. These things are being built by the government without input from the citizen (but are being paid for by the citizens) whether the projects are needed or not. But it's a good thing, cause in the old days China didn't have any good infrastructure targets to destroy during a war. Now they do. The title of this article could read "108 Giant Chinese Targets for WWIII". The more the Chinese have to lose, the less chance they'll start a shooting war. And the more money/comfort/communication the Chinese people have, the more likely they are to transition to a more democratic type of government. And while the U.S. may not be the biggest economic power for much longer, that doesn't mean we will be starving and sitting in the dirt. Spain, France, Holland, Germany, and England all lost their "dominant world leader" roles, and their standards of living are as good or better than ours.
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对。共产主义是坏的。这些工程是政府建设的而不是由人民主导的（但人民却为此买单）无论这些项目是否有必要进行。但是这是好事，因为过去的中国没有什么好的大型目标值得在战争中被摧毁，但现在他们有了。这篇文章的标题应该叫“第三次世界大战中108个中国的巨型目标”。中国人的好东西越多，那他们发动全面战争的可能性就越小。中国人越富有、舒适安逸和得到更多信息，那么他们就越可能会变成一个更加民主的政府。这样当美国的最大经济体身份或许不久后就会失去时，那么也不意味着我们就会坐在地上挨饿。西班牙，法国，荷兰，德国和英国全部失去了他们“占优势的世界领导者”角色，而他们的生活水平却跟我们一样或更好。
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Hank Reardenon Jun 8, 3:49 PMsaid:@Jumbo:
The Chinese no longer fear us. They no longer fear the Russians either.
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中国人已经不害怕我们和俄罗斯中的任何一个了。
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M.Dietrichon Jun 9, 10:56 AMsaid:@Jumbo:
Spain, France, Holland, Germany, and England don't have destructive banksters,the U.S has.Banksters are alive, well and still in control.
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西班牙，法国，荷兰，德国和英国没有那些带来毁灭的银行歹徒。我们的银行歹徒还活地好好的，并且还控制着我们。
【译注：banksters=banker gangster(s) 银行歹徒(以银行管理为名侵夺存款的不法分子)】
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Laspon Jun 8, 11:07 AMsaid:SWFC is not a hotel, it HAS a hotel in it (a Park Hyatt). Most floors are regular commercial units for sale/rent.
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上海环球金融中心不是一座旅馆，它包含有一座旅馆（一个柏悦连锁酒店）。大部分楼层按照长期商业单位销售或出租
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falcon2on Jun 8, 12:05 PMsaid:@Vivian Giang:
Vivian, while you are at that, the Shanghai-Hangzhou maglev project proposal is almost certain to be abandoned after witnessing what the high-speed rail network achieved in the past 2 years.
and also, not quite understand the logic for picking the Nanjing subway as a sample for subway construction in China. The expansion currently undertook in the Beijing and Shanghai subway system is even more expansive than the Nanjing system as a whole (even Guangzhou too but need to double-check). Not to mention, Shanghai overtook London this year for having the longest subway system. Nanjing is merely one of the many 2nd tier Chinese cities building a subway system.
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薇薇安，当你在那的时候，几乎可以肯定，在见证了过去2年高度完美的高速铁路网络后上海至杭州的磁悬浮项目规划将会被抛弃。同时，不明白为什么把南京的地铁作为中国地铁建设的榜样。从整体上看，目前膨胀中的北京和上海的地铁系统要比南京的地铁系统好（甚至广州也是但还需复核）。
更何况，上海今年取代了伦敦具有了最长的地铁系统，而南京只是中国众多建设地铁系统的二线城市之一。
【译注：薇薇安是作者】
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Patrickon Jun 8, 11:16 AMsaid:It's good to see them spending our money wisely..
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看到他们明智的花着我们的钱感觉很好。
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bloodwormon Jun 8, 11:19 AMsaid:
Thank you for this article.
As you can see, the future of nuclear power is alive and well. At least China knows how important it is.
It wont be long before they are the largest economy in the world.
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感谢这篇文章。
就像你看到的一样，在未来有核国家活的很好。至少中国知道核弹有多重要。
他们不久就要成为世界上最大的经济体了。
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iamageniuson Jun 8, 11:27 AMsaid:
I guess it would be bad idea to try and short this economy.
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我猜尝试减小这些工程投资会是个坏主意
【译注：这条不确定~~哪位大大帮忙下~~】
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Yesac13on Jun 8, 11:29 AMsaid:
All are extremely impressive. I'm awed and a bit jealous.
However... is it a good use of money? You see, sometimes central planning can be AWFUL in allocating money. For example, the German Autobahn was hailed as a great thing. It was built by the Nazis. However, in the late 1930s, before WWII... British highways were really shitty compared to the German Autobahn but the British highways had more traffic (The British used cars wide scale earlier than the Germans pre WWII).
In a way, the German Autobahn was a waste of money, it only got higher traffic a full 2 decades later. I'm afraid the Chinese are doing the same thing... big projects but will only become fully utilized 20 years later in the future. In my opinion, that is not a good use of money...
The most efficient use of money is to use it on necessary projects. Using it too much on giant projects means you have less money somewhere else. Capital Mis-allocation in short. Before people say "at least better than America cuz they're letting their infrastructure fall apart"... America is currently blowing giant chunks in crappy programs like Medicaid, Social Security and the Military Industrial State (wars, etc). Having the government pay for stuff makes people NOT RESPONSIBLE. It also enables companies to more easily OVERCHARGE cuz its just the government that is paying (No real feelings of ownership)... When you think about this, its obvious why the infrastructure is falling apart because ALL of the money is spent elsewhere.
I'm not sure if the Chinese are doing the right thing but hell, I have to congratulate them for thinking BIG. I'll give them props for that.
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这些令人非常印象深刻，我表示敬意同时有一点嫉妒。
这样使用资金是好主意吗？你看，有些时候中央计划分配资金的方式非常可怕。例如，德国高速公路曾是那时期重大的事，它是纳粹建造的。然后在上世纪二战之前的三十年代末...英国的公路和德国的高速公路相比简直就是狗屎，但是英国的公路上有更多的车辆在行驶（在二战前英国人比德国人更早的大规模使用汽车）。
在某种程度上，德国的高速公路就是在浪费钱，在足足20年后德国才有更多的车辆行驶在上面。我担心中国人在做同样的事...在未来20年内不会被充分利用的超级工程，在我看来，这不是使用资金的好方式...
最有效的用钱方式是把它用在必要的项目上。花太多的钱在超级工程上意味着你能花在其他方面的钱更少。错误的资金分配方式造成资金短缺。以前人们说“至少比美国好因为美国让自己的基础设施完全崩溃”。美国目前正在鼓吹许多无聊的东西，像医疗，社会保障和军工复合体国家（战争等）。政府为这些买单使人不用担负任何责任。这也使一些公司能更容易的开出高价因为这是政府买单的（这使得我们无法感受到这种被敲诈的感觉）...如果你能想到这些，很明显为什么基础设施处于糟糕的状态，因为这些钱都花在别处了。
我不确定中国人是否在做正确的事，但我得祝贺他们能够想得很远。
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Breezyon Jun 8, 11:54 AMsaid:@Yesac13:
I don't think leading is ever a waste of money .. building for the future rather than the present is not usually a waste of money .. wars on the other hand .. ALWAYS a waste of money and human capital.
And consider the reasonableness of the race to the moon. Did that project pay untold dividends to the US? Hell yeah!
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我从来不认为领先是浪费钱的事..为未来而不是现在进行建设通常不是浪费钱...战争的另一面..全是浪费金钱和人力
考虑下正确的登月竞赛，这项工程不是为美国提供了无数的利益吗？哦也！
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FarEasternon Jun 8, 12:23 PMsaid:@Yesac13:
This is a poor example. As the autobahn was tool of war, not of commerce (same with the Eisenhower highway system). The commercial applications were an ancillary benefit. For its original purpose, it was VERY useful.
A better (successful) example would be the development of the Deutsche Bahn (NOT the company, but the rail network itself) that began in the 19th century. It united the German states and facilitated the industrial expansion of Germany proper. These types of infrastructure development projects are only possible under long-term development plans, they type of projects the US used to engage in until the 1970's.
These types of projects are made possible by using the economic theories of Alexander Hamilton/ Fredrick List of infant industry development and long term capacity development. They refused to acknowledge the parasitic British free trade system of Smith/Ricardo, List going as far to say that the British were "Kicking Away the Ladder" of economic development. They invested in long term projects and , wonder of wonders, they grew to be an industrial power from a back water agricultural society.
In other words; Renounce Smith/Ricardo (and the idiot economic fan-fiction writer of the 19th century, Marx) and go back to the economic system that built the United States, and we can have nice things again.
or not, and start learning Chinese.
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这是个不恰当的例子。这些高速公路是用于战争的，不是用于商业的（就像艾森豪威尔公路网一样）。商业上的运用是附带的好处。对它原本的用处来说，它非常有用。
一个更好（成功的）的例子应是开始于19世纪的德国铁路的发展（不是公司，而是铁路网络自身）它将德国联系在一起并在一定程度上促使了德国工业的发展。这种发展基础设施的工程需要有长期发展的规划才有可能，而美国过去运用这种类型的工程直到1970's 。
这种工程在使用亚历山大/汉密尔顿/弗雷德里的经济理论才有可能有长远发展能力。他们拒绝承认寄生式的英国史密斯/里卡多理论的自由贸易体系，事实将会表明英国已经被踢出经济发展的名单里。他们运用长期项目，创造一个又一个奇迹，他们从一个农业社会发展成工业强国。
换句话说：放弃史密斯/里卡多理论（还有19世纪愚蠢的经济学小说作家，马克思），使用过去建设美国的经济理论，这样我们能够再次变得更好。
或者，现在开始学中文吧。
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Yesac13on Jun 8, 3:28 PMsaid:@FarEastern:
I'll agree that the highways were successful for their original purposes, i.e., War.
I'm not one to disagree with the benefits of long term planning. Such long term planning are quite important in the long run. The issue is that I just don't have lots of faith in central planning, that's all. You can go too far in central planning... going too far can backfire. Look at the USSR for example. Even the Nazis is a good example of a failed central planner... Hitler and top level Nazis micromanaged too much while the Allied forces allowed their generals more free rein so to be more flexible. Remember the Great Leap Forward by China? China got better when central planning was curtailed!
Doing too much central planning sops up $$$ that could have been better used somewhere else. No way to know this for sure because we've had lots of central planning in the last century.
Still, I would love to visit China just to see those projects. I considered being an architect when I was younger but ended up in retail business.
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我同意公路被成功的用于了它的原始目的，换言之：战争。
我不否定长期计划有好处，这些长期发展计划在长期竞争中是非常重要的。问题是我对中央计划没有什么信心，就是这样。你可以设立非常长期的中央计划以至于长到适得其反。看看苏联这个例子，即使纳粹也是个中央计划失败的好例子...当同盟国允许普遍的较自由的控制而变得更灵活的时候希特勒和纳粹的高层却管的太宽。还记得大跃进时期的中国吗？中国在缩短中央计划后情况变得更好了！
中国做了太多中央计划用于对付美元而这些钱本可以用来做其他一些更好的事。没有办法确定这些事的好坏因为我们上世纪做了太多中央计划。
然而，我仍然想去中国看看这些工程。我年轻的时候曾经考虑过成为一个建筑师但是我最后投身了零售业。
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JoeGon Jun 8, 11:41 AMsaid:This is what you can accomplish when the politicians aren't waisting our money outside of of our country to buy favors. Elect people who care about us, not an ideology that the receivers of our monies could care less about.
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当政治家不再把我们的钱花在国外以讨好他人的时候这些我们都能做到。应该选举那些关心我们的人而不是那些拿了我们的钱却对我们漠不关心的人。
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Breezyon Jun 8, 11:50 AMsaid:Is anyone else stunned at how cheap these projects cost? Here in the states a couple of sports stadiums (our big projects don't add anything meaningful to our capacity) costs a billion dollars. They get complete hydroelectric projects for that kind of money ..
All these Chinese are squandering money on high speed rail, airports, water projects, hydroelectric, wind, etc. What a waste! NOT A SINGLE SPORTS STADIUM ON THE LIST! USA WINS AGAIN! KING OF SPORTS!
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没有人震惊于这些工程花费很少吗？我们州的两个大型运动场（话说我们的大工程对我们没有任何意义）花费了10亿美元。这些钱够得上建一个水力发电工程的钱了...
中国人在这些高速铁路、机场、水利工程、水力发电和风力发电等工程上浪费钱，太浪费啊！在这些计划中竟然没有一个大型运动场！美国又赢了！我们是体育之王！
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Know your stuffon Jun 8, 12:39 PMsaid:@Breezy:
Year ago, our municipality was discussing extending the metro line to NE suburb. It was budgeted at 1 billion per mile but never realized.
Compared to what China is spending on project, they certainly use money wisely.
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一年前，我们当地的政府考虑扩展城市公路到东北部的郊区，即使预算达到每英里10亿也没有问题
和中国在工程上的花费相比，毫无疑问他们更合理的使用资金
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choice tohon Jun 8, 12:00 PMsaid:
i thought China was a bubble? what about the abandoned malls? or the bailout? lol
http://seekingalpha.com/user/926530/instablog/full_index
China is stronger than ever and this is good for America
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我认为中国是一个泡沫，看到被他们抛弃的购物中心了吗？哈哈
http://seekingalpha.com/user/926530/instablog/full_index
中国比以前强大了但是这对美国有好处。
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Dbon Jun 8, 4:08 PMsaid:@choice toh:
yeah like the "gold bubble"
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对，就像“黄金泡沫”
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FarEasternon Jun 8, 3:21 PMsaid:@Brian B: Three silly examples do not an argument make.
You left out that during all of those encounters the US could outproduce its adversaries with its superior industrial base and know-how. America won WWII due to Detroit, not squared-jawed GI JOE lookalikes.
Same was true for the Cold War, the US could always outproduce the CCCP, not because of free-market malarkey, but do to an industrial capacity that far exceeded the Soviet bloc.
As far as Japan is concerned, well, open up a computer sometime. They may be "designed in California" but the proprietary components (the parts that are assembled in China, but that is changing) say MADE IN JAPAN. Japan hasn't gone away, even if you would like to pretend they have.
But don't worry, when the Chinese get to the level of top dog, I'm sure they will be more than happy to accept free trade. America can then use it's comparative advantage in agriculture and China can do the value-added activities.
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你忽略了美国更好的工业基地和诀窍而这些使它在那些竞争中总能超过它的对手。美国是靠底特律赢得二战，而不是靠方下巴的美国大兵。
这也同样适用于冷战，美国在生产上总能超过苏联，不是因为狗屁自由市场，而是靠远超过苏维埃的工业能力。
就日本而言，开发一款新的电脑，或许是“加州设计”但是零件（这些零件是在中国组装的，但这点正在改变）却标着“日本制造”。日本并没有衰落，即使你倾向于假装他们衰落了。
但不要担心，当中国成为老大的时候，我确定他们会更愿意接受自由贸易。美国可以利用自身在农业方面的比较优势而中国可以从中获得增值利益。
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Yesac13on Jun 8, 3:31 PMsaid:@Brian B:
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Nothing wrong with a bit of central planning but you can go too far...
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做一些中央计划也不错但是不要太过了...
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Dbon Jun 8, 4:06 PMsaid:Wow!...Gulp! Looks like they're getting lots of shiny new technology and impressive projects...and meanwhile US cities like Detroit and Cleveland are drying up and blowing away! I hear there are ghost towns in Ohio. We're closing hospitals, not building new ones. We're dissing high speed rail, not making it. Our airports are showing age badly. The Interstate Highway System is 60 years old. But boy we can flip those credit cards! oh, forgot, they buy mostly Chinese stuff.....
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哇哦...流口水！看起来他们得到了许多新技术和令人印象深刻的工程...而同时像美国的底特律和克里弗兰蒸发消失了！我听说俄亥俄州有个鬼城。我们正在关闭医院而又不建新的，我们对高铁嗤之以鼻而不是想着如何建设，我们的机场年久失修，而洲际公路系统已经有60年的历史了。但我们这些人手里却在把玩着信用卡！哦，忘了，买的东西几乎是中国制造...
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Brewskieon Jun 8, 5:37 PMsaid:
You bet! China does things on a massive scale. Let's consider the following cities:
- Ordos has been mostly empty since completion back in '05.
- Dantu has been empty for over a decade.
- Erenhot sits half empty; the other half is incomplete.
- Zhengzhou New District has a high vacancy rate.
Or the world's largest mall: The South China Mall, which was completed in '05 and hailed as the world's largest mall based on gross leasable space, sits 99% empty.
How about the Three Gorges Dam? This $30+ billion monstrosity, dreamed up by Mao, is causing an assortment of environmental probos, and is already showing cracks (not surprising given China's shoddy construction).
How about China's ambition to lay down an extensive high-speed rail network. This is claiming the envy of many; however, if what the whistle blowers are saying is correct...
http://topics.scmp.com/news/china-news-watch/article/Judgment-day-fears-for-high-speed-rail-tracks
How about the South-to-North Water Diversion Project? This is another brain child by Mao with a $62 billion price tag. Think it'll work?
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当然！中国是在做大事，让我们看看下面这几个城市：
--自从2005年建设完成以来鄂尔多斯城几乎是空置的；
--丹徒已经空置超过十年了；
--二连浩特一半是空的，另一半还没完成；
--郑州新区有着高空置率；
又或者世界上最大的购物中心：华南购物中心，它在2005年建成，因为拥有庞大的可租赁空间一度使其成为世界上最大的购物中心，现在99%都是空的。
三峡大坝你觉得怎么样？由毛的构想而建造的超过300亿美元的庞然大物，不仅成为了引起环境问题的因素，并且已经出现了裂缝（想想中国的劣质工程就不奇怪了）。
中国制定的野心勃勃的庞大高铁网络怎么样？这个引起了许多人的羡慕，然而假如反对者也说这是正确的话。【译注：意思是连反对者都说高铁是正确的时候才说明这些高铁是真的值得人们羡慕的】
http://topics.scmp.com/news/china-news-watch/article/Judgment-day-fears-for-high-speed-rail-tracks
南水北调工程怎么样？这又是另一个毛的幼稚想法，标价620亿美元，这项工程会有用吗？
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henry Krinkleon Jun 8, 7:42 PMsaid:
Well, LA has a real subway system now.
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Ok，现在洛杉矶有个真正的地铁系统了。
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grey1111(URL)on Jun 8, 9:22 PMsaid:
China has really awaken and is no longer a sleeping giant. Its business booms and it will continue to grow still.
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中国已经真正苏醒，再也不是沉睡的巨人了。她的经济会继续快速增长。
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grey1111(URL)on Jun 8, 9:22 PMsaid:China has really awaken and is no longer a sleeping giant. Its business booms and it will continue to grow still.
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droopeyon Jun 9, 8:29 AMsaid:The US and UK need to sort unemployment fast I think they can do this by actually making things again we have lost a complete sector (Industrial) but of course our wages are too high and companies will want there ridiculously high profits and continue to have there products made for dirt cheap in China. Honestly I don't see how the US and UK are going to recover they both have massive debts.
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美国和英国都需要迅速的解决失业问题。我认为他们这样做通常会让我们再次失去一个完整的领域（工业），当然由于我们的工资过高，而公司又希望获得可笑地高利润，所以会继续的拥有低廉的中国产品。老实说，我不认为美国和英国能够恢复，因为他们都有庞大的债务。
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