Hindu Brahmin Bodhcong Pala (unregistered)November 25, 2012, 19:54
Runt people need city's. They are not Chinese, same as 1.1 billion out of 1.2 billion inside India. They invaded from the west and thefted Asian family names. They need city's & made India-China into The Land of Diarrehia.
发育不全的矮子们需要城市。他们不是中国人,就像印度12亿人里的11人一样。他们是从西方来的侵略者,只是盗用了亚洲人的姓氏的而已。他们需要城市,然后把印度和中国变成瘟疫大陆。
Skyscraper Index (unregistered)November 25, 2012, 20:00
China has officially hit the terminal phase of a speculative bubble.The skyscraper index. China is about to see an economic downturn.Which means that the USA's number one creditor will no longer lend.This means that the US economy will tank big time due to lack of foreign investments
按照摩天大楼指数来看,中国已经到了投机泡沫的最终阶段了。
中国经济就要走上下滑的道路了。这也意味着中国这个美国的最大债主将不会再给美国提供借款了。美国经济也会因为缺乏外资投资而低迷。
(译注:摩天大楼指数,摘自百度百科
一九九九年,德意志银行证券驻香港分析师安德鲁.劳伦斯(Andrew Lawrence)首度提出「摩天大楼指数」(Skyscraper Index)的概念,因为他发现到经济衰退或股市萧条往往都发生在新高楼落成的前后。宽松的政府政策及对经济乐观的态度,经常会鼓励大型工程的兴建。然而,当过度投资与投机心理而起的泡沫即将危及经济时,政策也会转为紧缩以因应危机,使得摩天大楼的完工成为政策与经济转变的先声。这一惊人发现被称为“百年病态关联”:大厦建成,经济衰退。故此,“摩天大楼指数”也被称为“劳伦斯魔咒”。)
Skyscraper Index (unregistered)November 25, 2012, 20:09
Given that this employs efficient technology, cost-effective building techniques and for a fraction of the cost, maybe the skyscraper index doesn't apply after all.
I like it how everything is assembled, not built.
既然使用了高效的、成本效益好的科技,花费相较(以前)来说只是一小部分。摩天大楼指数(在这里)很可能是不适用的。我喜欢预制然后组装的技术,而不是直接动土建造。
red fang (unregistered)November 25, 2012, 20:31
lol everything chinese is fake. The building wil be fake too.
哈哈,中国制造的都是假货。这个楼肯定也是假的。
Anon (unregistered)November 25, 2012, 22:22
Half the price at 20 times the speed. What will the stats look like in another 20 years? Quarter the price at 200 times the speed? Thats 9 days at $315 million . . . i can imagine high tech light weight reconstituted materials straight from landfills being used by then . . . The floorage and 'balconyage' of the pic doesn't look very impressive though. Perhaps higher ceilings and more balcony space would be more city like.
成本只有一半,速度却快了20倍。再过20年这些数字会变成什么样?四分之一的成本,200倍的速度?也就是说只花3.15亿美元,可以9天就造好这样的大楼。我能想象高科技到时候能直接把废渣再造成建筑材料。但是图片上的楼层面积和阳台面积并没有给人以深刻的印象。可能层高高点,阳台面积大点更有城市的感觉。
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teddyformusicNovember 25, 2012, 23:15
Skyscraper Index (unregistered) wrote in #2
China has officially hit the terminal phase of a speculative bubble.
The skyscraper index. China is about to see an economic downturn.
Which means that the USA's number one creditor will no longer lend.
This means that the US economy will tank big time due to lack of foreign investments.
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you could very well be right - regarding "economic downturn" ...
and china's new leadership is tasked with ensuring policies that do not drive china into "unsustainable development".
but i think that what we can term as "economic downturn" (admittedly my view is on the "optimistic side") - is really china SLOWING down its "development" -- from its past decade's "projections" such as "12 percent growth" etc...
and instead -- "soft land" into lower numbers "growth" as far as economic performance goes.....
this is - in terms of large economies - a vast difference from, for example, the US "growth" or what they like to "promise" in the USA as "recovery" -- for the next ten years (coinciding with China's NEW leadership for ten years) -- of 1 percent "growth" if THAt can even be called such a thing, with the USA's deep debts. (60 percent american holders, 40 percent foreign holders) --
we have to also remember that china's INTERNAL domestic "consumption" economy is far from having reached anywhere near american standards of consumption.........which is the OTHER part of any economy's performance outside of its exports.
i guess time will tell where their policies lead .
回复“按照摩天大楼指数来看,中国已经到了投机泡沫的最终阶段了。
中国经济就要走上下滑的道路了。这也意味着中国这个美国的最大债主将不会再给美国提供借款了。美国经济也会因为缺乏外资投资而低迷。”
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你很可能是对的——关于“经济衰退”……中国新的领导阶层的任务就是确保中国不致陷入“不可持续发展”。
但我想我们称为“经济衰退”的(无可否认的是我是站在积极一面的)其实是中国与过去十年以来类似“年增长12%”这样的“爆发性发展”速度相对的一种放缓。只要经济表现能够继续,取而代之(的政策)会是,(从爆发)“软着陆”至数字上更小的“成长”。
谈及大型经济体,这就是(中国和我们)最大的差异了,例如美国式的“增长”也即他们爱说的“复苏””:在背负着巨额债务(60%由美国人民持有,40%由他国持有)情况下仅有1% 的“增长”(如果他们能管那叫增长),还敢承诺下一个十年内(恰逢中国新一届领导在任的十年)经济“复苏”。
我们还要牢记中国国内的“消费”经济还远未达到美国的消费标准……这正是任何一个经济体除出口额之外的另一个绩效来源。
时间会证明他们的政策能带领他们走向何方。
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teddyformusicNovember 25, 2012, 23:25
Skyscraper Index (unregistered) wrote in #3
Given that this employs efficient technology, cost-effective building techniques and for a fraction of the cost, maybe the skyscraper index doesn't apply after all.
I like it how everything is assembled, not built.
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i don't recall which province it is, or city , but I read sometime ago that China was already building an entire city -- or based on an existing one -- to transform the entire area into the "sustainable" energy system......every single building, every single contraption, ..everything based on the sustainable energy systems.
i think it can also be surmised that the eventualy growing trade and interdependence between china and europe's largest economy -- Germany -- will focus , after trade and "dumping" differences are cleared up -- on more of the non-oil/fossil fuel based systems.
germany is , as of today, already 30 percent SOLAR powered - and projected to reach "comfortably" 80 percent by 2020......
china is well on its way as a leading "solar energy" giant even as it grapples with the "pains of growth" such as pollution......
in either case -- both germany and china -- considering that china has a 1.3 billion populace to consider "adjusting" towards solar and other efficient energy systems - already are far , far ahead of the USA for one part .
the way I see it -- CHINA is playing its cards in 2 ways as far as energy is concerned:
enabling itself to acquire the gas/oil reserves it needs - and eventually have them "cached" as "reserves" or other uses as technologies arise for such things for better use --
while at the same time focusing big time on "sustainables" -- such as wind, solar, ocean, wave and currents energy, etc...
and calculates that BY the time oil/gas reserves - in 100 years , say -- are much more depleted - still retain the "conduits" -- and reserves it bought rights to -- but can re-use them for other things --
WHILE already achieving greater "energy independence" from having become a leading Solar power producer. among other things.........
if china does that -- it becomes practically "untouchable" as a great power. imo.
回复“既然使用了高效的、成本效益好的科技,花费相较(以前)来说只是一小部分。摩天大楼指数(在这里)很可能是不适用的。
我喜欢预制然后组装的技术,而不是直接动土建造。”
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我不太记得这到底是哪个省还是哪个市了。不过我以前读过一段文字中提到中国已经在兴建一整个城市--是在现有城市的基础上(重建)--以便将整个地区(的能源系统)转变成为"可持续"的能源系统.......每个单一的建筑,每个单一的装置,..所有的东西都基于可持续性能源系统。
我觉得还可以最终推测到日益增长的贸易以及相互依存关系于中国与欧洲最大的经济体--德国会将会将焦点集中至--当清除了贸易和"倾销"的分歧后--更多的基于非油/化石燃料的系统的中国。
德国,到今天为止,太阳能供电已经达到(总电量的)30%,据预测,2020年时将达到"令人满意的"80%(太阳能供电普及率)。
中国也同样走在成为世界领先的"太阳能"巨人的路上。尽管它同时也在努力应对着"生长痛",比如环境污染等问题.......
在任一例子--包括德国或者中国--考虑到中国有13-亿民众来通过"调整"实现太阳能和其他高效能源系统--已经是到目前为止,远远超过美国的整个部分(能源系统-太阳能)。
依我看--中国在能源方面将它的手牌(政策)兵分两路:
它需要(可以)通过自身来获得油/气体储备--那么最终则变成他们"缓慢存储"作为"储备"或其他用途伴随着更高技术用来更好地利用这些资源--在同一时间也可以专注于“可持续性”(能源)--例如风力,太阳能,海洋,波浪和电流能源等...
并且按照时间储备来计算油/气体储备量--如果以100年来计算,像是--大多数(能源)已经耗尽--但仍保留着“导管(源头)”--然后储备买权--但又可以把这些(能源)循环使用至其他的地方--从而可以实现除其他外更优秀的"能源独立"变成(全球)领先的太阳能电源生产商.
如果中国真这么做了--它几乎将成为一个"不可侵犯"的强力大国,就我个人看来为如此(译注:imo = in my opinion).
teddyformusicNovember 25, 2012, 23:27
red fang (unregistered) wrote in #4
lol everything chinese is fake. The building wil be fake too.
and you probably can't help but keep buying them in wallmart or the 99 cent corner store anyway -- since the USA DOLLAR and ITS FAKE "value" keeps dwindling by the day ........................
回复:哈哈,中国制造的都是假货。这个楼肯定也是假的。
虽估计你帮不到什么但无论怎么说你仍然可以在沃尔玛或1元店继续买他们的货--反正自美国美元和及其伪"价值"是按日萎缩的.
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teddyformusicNovember 25, 2012, 23:39
Anon (unregistered) wrote in #5
Half the price at 20 times the speed. What will the stats look like in another 20 years? Quarter the price at 200 times the speed? Thats 9 days at $315 million . . . i can imagine high tech light weight reconstituted materials straight from landfills being used by then . . . The floorage and 'balconyage' of the pic doesn't look very impressive though. Perhaps higher ceilings and more balcony space would be more city like.
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the chinese are "learning" from the rest of the world -- and VERY fast...
yes -- there have been and will be disastrous projects involved --
but that is part of the rise that they are making that is , whether by design or circumstance , simply far, far faster than ANY modern "empire" has ever achieved.
i mean -- it took the USA -- literally protected by oceans from ANY direct assaults (the british IN america already don't count, since it is against them that FELLOW europeans revolted) -- 300 years since "this..our Infant Empire" (George Washington's words) ..........
and in a mere 100 years of "supremacy" - more or less, despite being the "greatest" empire ever -- is already crumbling despite its delusions that it is not and never will........
China - -from "basket case of asia" up til 1970's took a mere 30-40 years to achieve global economic power -- and it is just the START of its "dragon awakening".
回复“成本只有一半,速度却快了20倍。再过20年这些数字会变成什么样?四分之一的成本,200倍的速度?也就是说只花3.15亿美元,可以9天就造好这样的大楼。我能想象高科技到时候能直接把废渣再造成建筑材料。但是图片上的占地面积和阳台面积看起来不是很大。可能层高高点,阳台面积大点更有城市的感觉。”
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中国正在向世界上其他国家“学习”——而且速度很快……
的确,在过去发生过豆腐渣工程而且在未来还有可能发生类似的现象,但是这构成了崛起中国的一部分,不管是有意的还是无意的,中国的崛起的速度都超过了当代世界上的任何“帝国”。
我的意思是——中国超越了建国300多年后的美国——“婴儿般的帝国”(乔治·华盛顿语)——由于受到大洋的阻隔的保护,所以可以使美国免受任何的攻击(在美国的英国人不算数,因为这些英国人很反对他们的欧洲老乡反叛美国)。。。。
美国在100年的霸权时间里,多多少少来说已经成为了世界历史上“最伟大”的帝国,但是现在美国已经日落西山,虽然美国自己还拥有一种假象觉得自己没有在衰弱并且永远也不会衰弱。。。。
中国——从“东亚病夫”至上世纪70年代只用了30-40年就获得了全球性的经济力量——而这只是“蛰龙觉醒”的开始。
teddyformusicNovember 25, 2012, 23:40
nd to the chinese - in the long scheme of things - it is merely "returning china to its proper role" that it always had -- being one of the great powers on earth for thousands of years.
the seldom discussed thing about china is:
而中国人的长期计划是“重新获得他们应得的地位”——作为地球上一个千年的大国。
我们很少讨论的关于中国的事情有:
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teddyformusicNovember 25, 2012, 23:49
i also wanted to add:
China -- as much as a "capitalist" country in its nature of being a country of merchants -- small private enterprisers, one might say -- has also at least as much BEEN a "socialist" country.
in many ways - it IS its culture - both a "private enterprising" culture, as well as a "collectivist" culture......
what the west or america do not understand is -- THEIR dogmatic obsession with ONLY "capitalism" and no other alternative simply does not apply TO china or even the rest of the world , unless the west IMPOSES it - which it has done -- .........
china is simply doing what china "has always done" as one of its top generals said some years ago :
"WE shall absorb what the world has to give that is good - and good for us -- but we shall NEVER be a western country.......china is, as she always has been, and alwasy will be --------- CHINA".
in perspective - while most other "empires" have gone by the wayside -- some as recently as Great Britain -- where china was already "the middle kingdom" eons ago while much of the west were still "tribes" --
我还想要增加几点:
可能有人会说中国至少现在被称为“社会主义”国家,其实中国差不多就是一个“资本主义”国家,他天生就是商人的国度,有小的私营企业。在许多方面,例如她的文化中不但包含着私企精神,还包含着集体主义文化、、、、
作为西方人、美国人不了解的是,自己只会武断的着迷于纯粹的资本主义,并没有留给中国或世界其他国家留下选择的余地,除非西方国家把这种资本主义强加给这些国家——而这正是西方国家正在做的事情。
中国正在干着他们一直就所做的事情,正如中国某一位高级将领多年前所说过的:“我们应该去其糟粕取其精华,我们永远都不会成为一个西方国家、、、、中国现在是,一直是,也永远只会是中国”。
正确的来说,像近代的大不列颠王国一样,许多“帝国”已经被甩出了历史舞台。当一些西方国家还只是小部落时中国作为“中央帝国”已经有几千年的历史了。 |