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[透析评论] 美国共产党的文章--运动场内外的美中对抗

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发表于 2008-8-8 18:05 | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式
由“五星出东方”在论坛上首发,我帮忙进行了翻译,但是不知道什么原因,无法进行跟帖。
请“五星出东方”给出原文网址,谢谢!
我将其原文贴上,附上翻译。
这大概是美国共产党的一个教案类的材料,有些括号内与主要内容关系不大的句子我跳过了未进行翻译,应该不影响阅读。



U.S. – China Rivalry... On and Off the Field


The 2008 Summer Olympics are about to begin in Beijing, China, running from August 8 to August 24. The Olympics are full of great athletic performances, but they are also highly politicized events. While people are going to be inspired by exciting contests and tremendous achievements, there will be a dose of politics and ideology that is delivered with it all, sometimes subtle and sometimes overt. At different times, and in different ways, the relationship and rivalry between world powers gets expressed through the Olympic games. And in the Beijing Olympics, the complex relationship between rising China and the United States as the world’s sole superpower is setting the stage for how this is playing out, on the field and off. Rising China is not a socialist country. It was a socialist country from 1949 to 1976, and during that period it was not part of the global circuits of capitalist exploitation. But today it is a capitalist country, profoundly enmeshed in and in some ways pivotal to global capitalism. And the Beijing Olympics coincide with, and mark a significant dimension to, China’s entree into the ranks of world powers. Even the fact that China is hosting the Olympics reflects global geopolitics. It reinforces China’s rising status in the world. It is hard to imagine that the International Olympic Committee would have approved holding the Olympics in Beijing without the approval of the rulers of the United States. And China’s rulers have their own strategic objectives for what they intend to get out of hosting the Olympics—which we will address in the next issue of Revolution. It is this complex dynamic that provides the context for, and the basis to decipher, U.S. media propaganda/commentary on the Olympics. That propaganda is focused on themes that represent U.S. interests vis-à-vis China, and are being promoted to train people in the U.S. to look at the U.S.-China relationship from the perspective of the U.S. rulers. These themes are: By getting beyond the “tyranny and chaos” of the Mao era, China has become economically dynamic. But it remains a politically oppressive society that lacks the openness and freedoms of Western democracies. The politically repressive nature of China is, in large measure, the product of the remaining legacy of the long dark night of the Mao era with its authoritarian communist rule. China’s hosting of the Olympics marks its emergence into the ranks of world powers, but China must seek a place at the table under conditions of U.S. global domination. Let’s examine the reality, and the interests behind these themes. The Nature of Capitalist China A recent background piece on the Olympics in the San Francisco Chronicle began: “As the People’s Republic of China prepares to host the 2008 Olympic Games, its 1.3 billion people can take pride in what they have accomplished in the three decades since they jettisoned Maoist ideology and embraced market forces to develop their economy.” (“Chinese Making a Great Leap Forward,” by Sam Zuckerman, 8/3/08). China has achieved extremely high economic growth rates. It is a rising world economic and political power. But that growth has been achieved on the backs of hundreds of millions of wage slaves in the cities and towns, and at the cost of the devastation of the countryside. And it has been achieved within a framework of global imperialism that has warped and contorted China’s economic development. While China is a rising economic power, its economic heart still beats to the rhythm of the U.S. imperialist-dominated world order. Imperialist investment flows in, and profits extracted from workers entombed in coal mines and assembling toys and iPods for people in the imperialist countries flow out. There is a growing middle class in China’s cities that is prospering. But in the factories, 16-hour days are common, wages barely cover food and rent, child labor is endemic, workplace safety is shocking, and strikes and protests are brutally suppressed. Over 700 million people live in China’s impoverished countryside, many on less than $2 a day. The country is characterized by vast and growing gulfs between rich and poor, between city and countryside, and increasing subjugation of women and minorities. The nature of Chinese society is reflected in the enormous human cost for the Beijing Olympics: 1.5 million people lost their homes—they were destroyed to make way for the construction of Olympic venues and related structures. Construction workers were paid $50 a week for working 9 hours a day, 7 days a week, to build the landmark National Stadium, called the “Bird’s Nest” (because of the unique interwoven cement pillars and metal scaffolding). Millions of migrant workers from the countryside were forced out of Beijing before the Olympics open so as to present China’s best face to the world. And the Olympics have been accompanied by a crackdown on protest. And for U.S. imperialism, the Olympics are an opportunity to intensify their economic and political interests in China—even as the Chinese rulers maneuver within that for a bigger piece of the action. General Electric, the parent company to NBC (the network that has exclusive U.S. broadcasting rights for the Olympics), is aggressively expanding investments in China—to a projected $10 billion in 2010. GE is involved in more than 300 projects related to the Olympics, including technology for the new National Stadium. General Electric’s CEO is counting on the Olympics creating “decades of good will in China” (see “Networks Fight Shorter Olympic Leash,” New York Times, 7/21/08). The Real Legacy of Mao It wasn’t always like this. From 1949 to 1976, China was a socialist society, a society that overthrew, and was uprooting, exploitation and all the ideas that go with it. That period, the Mao era as it is referred to, is ferociously vilified, and in light of the Beijing Olympics, these attacks are being repeated, and spread widely in society. In this and next week’s issues of Revolution, we will be providing background on the actual experience of this momentous period in human history—the communist revolution in China, where the oppressed held power from 1949 until 1976. But here, briefly, is the basic story that you will not hear on TV. On the eve of the Chinese communist revolution, led by Mao Tsetung, a person in China could, on the average, expect to die at age 32. Fewer than one person in six could read and write. Periodic famines led to mass starvation. The Chinese people were buried under what Mao called the three mountains—imperialism, feudalism, and bureaucrat capitalism (Chinese capitalism that served foreign imperialism). And China’s economic subjugation was enforced through military aggression and the political and cultural suppression of the Chinese people by imperialism. China’s socialist revolution liberated the country from the chains of world imperialism, and resulted in a tremendous improvement in life for the Chinese people. Between 1949 and 1975, life expectancy in socialist China more than doubled—to about 65 years. By the early 1970s, infant mortality rates in Shanghai were lower than those in New York City at the time. By the mid 1970s, some 80 to 90 percent of the Chinese people were literate. Culture, politics, free or low-cost healthcare, and education came to the long-neglected countryside. And women made great strides in achieving equality. (For a more expanded survey of this, see “Setting the Record Straight: Social and Economic Achievements Under Mao,” available at revcom.us). The pinnacle of this process was the much vilified Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution, when the masses of people in China stepped onto the political stage, engaged in great debates, protests, and political struggle on a level no society has come close to—before or since. Through this, and with revolutionary leadership, people struggled to identify and uproot remaining and re-emerging elements of exploitive society in the economy, in politics, and in people’s thinking. (For a response to frequently asked questions about the Cultural Revolution, see “The Truth About the Cultural Revolution,” in this issue.) Mao was a communist, and he saw the Chinese revolution and socialism as part of the process of getting to communism. What is communist revolution really about? It starts with revolutionary state power, to strip the old capitalist-imperialist ruling class of its property and control over society. It moves right away to meet the most pressing needs of the people, and solve problems that seem hopelessly unsolvable under capitalism. And it does this in the service of, and as part of, the world revolution, with the aim of emancipating all of humanity. Socialist states are rooted in the conscious activism of the masses of people, and take up a series of struggles to uproot exploitation and oppression throughout society, from production, to institutions, to the ways in which people think. And this all takes place through a process of tremendous challenges, vibrant societal wrangling, and diversity. This is a process through which people transform the world, and as they do that, they transform themselves—and very importantly this is all a component part of the world revolution. The goal of revolutionary state power is and needs to be nothing short of a society where people are really free—a communist society that has moved beyond the division of people into classes and all the oppressive relations between people and ideas that serve class divisions. There is class struggle throughout the entire socialist transition—between continuing the revolutionary advance toward a communist world, or reversing the revolution and restoring capitalism. Shortly after the death of Mao in 1976, forces within the Communist Party staged a reactionary coup, and overthrew socialism. They jailed tens of thousands of revolutionaries including Mao’s closest followers, and re-linked China into the chains of global imperialism as an oppressed nation. China has been a capitalist society ever since. The Chinese revolution was complex, and—as all great new things are—contradictory. But overwhelmingly, in reality, it was an inspiring advance to be studied, learned from, summed up, and on the basis of which to chart the next stage of the world communist revolution. This is the work that has been done by Bob Avakian, Chairman of the Revolutionary Communist Party (for a concentrated introduction to Avakian’s work, see “MAKING REVOLUTION AND EMANCIPATING HUMANITY” Part 1 and Part 2, available at revcom.us. Audio downloads of Avakian’s speeches and interviews are available at bobavakian.net). On the other hand … for global imperialism and its lackeys, the communist revolution in China was the worst thing ever. It ripped a quarter of humanity out of the synapses of global exploitation and oppression, and it served as a powerful counter-weight to the economic, political, and military power of imperialism. They rejoiced when socialism was overthrown, and lost no time in flooding China with investments. The U.S. imperialists are skinning the ox twice: They have their fangs deep into China, pouring massive investment in, and pulling massive profit out on the backs of China’s people; and they then turn around and point to conditions in China today—conditions that reflect and serve capitalism—and proclaim them to be an indictment of socialism and communism. Often this is in the form of identifying some of these things as supposedly remnants of the Mao era. The Rise of China in a World Dominated by U.S. Imperialism The Beijing Olympics symbolizes China’s admittance into the circle of economic and political world powers, but in a world where U.S. imperialism is the sole superpower. Raymond Lotta wrote in Part 2 of his essay, “Shifts and Faultlines in the World Economy and Great Power Rivalry: What is Happening and What It Might Mean”: “The dynamics of China’s rise are complex. There is, however, a shaping contradiction: dependency and growing economic strength. China is dependent on foreign capital and foreign markets. But China has also emerged as a world economic power, a center of world manufacturing. It has accumulated vast foreign exchange reserves, and gained considerable financial leverage—increasingly over the dollar. And China is more aggressively seeking markets in the Third World and exporting capital beyond its borders.” The rise of China is taking place in a world where, as Lotta writes: “The U.S. still occupies the primary position in the imperialist world economy. It is the largest economy; the financial glue of the whole world system; and the political-military ‘guarantor’ of a global order that benefits, at least for now, all the big powers. “The U.S.’s economic position in the world has been declining. But U.S. imperialism possesses unparalleled military strength relative to rivals and would-be rivals. And since 2001, it has been pressing this advantage—mounting a global military offensive, focused in Iraq and Afghanistan, to secure unchallengeable dominance for decades to come.” (See “China’s Capitalist Development and China’s Rise in the World Imperialist System: Its Nature and Implications,” in Revolution # 137, available at revcom.us.) The relationship between the U.S. and China is expressed, and being contended, in the background sounds behind the Beijing Olympics. It explains why the U.S. (through diplomatic moves and media propaganda) alternately turns the volume up and down on accusations about China’s role in supporting the Sudanese government and massacres in Darfur, or its relationship to the Mugabe regime in Zimbabwe. And the nature of the relationship, and contention, between the U.S. and China informs the type and tenor of exposés in the U.S. media about actual horrors in China, including exposés of the draconian wages and working conditions in China’s factories, the extreme poverty in the countryside, and suppression of debate and dissent. These exposures are a message that China is undeserving and untrustworthy to be co-equal to the “great powers” and has to change, i.e., accept the terms being set by the U.S. This is all within an imperialist framework, and how China’s role is being contended in that. And these conditions in China are portrayed as products of a culture of cronyism, corruption unchecked because of the monopolization of political power by the (so-called) Communist Party. These terms tend to reinforce China’s position in a U.S.-dominated world order, and they obscure the actual source of the tremendous poverty and repression in China. In reality, these are products of capitalism, and China’s position as an oppressed nation. And here again, it must be said, U.S. exposures and condemnations of China for exploiting workers, starving peasants, and suppressing dissent are obscenely hypocritical. The U.S. cries shame over China’s treatment of the Tibetans while somehow missing the story of the situation for Black people in the USA—where one in nine Black youth is in jail. The U.S. expresses outrage at the conditions of immigrants from the Chinese countryside (who are technically illegal residents in China’s cities) while in the United States over ten million undocumented immigrants are ruthlessly exploited and terrorized by ICE raids. The U.S. government illegally monitored the calling patterns of millions of Americans, but has the gall to decry the monitoring and control of the Internet by the “authoritarian” government in China. * * * Four billion people will watch the ’08 Olympics. In the world as it exists today, the Olympics present a painful dichotomy between awe-inspiring athletic feats that leave you breathless, and the fact that all this is taking place against a canvass of jockeying for advantage between competing powers, as well as a heavy dose of poisonous ideology. Within that, in this Olympics, the rivalry between the U.S. and China is being played out on and off the field.

[ 本帖最后由 精中华 于 2008-8-12 22:17 编辑 ]
 楼主| 发表于 2008-8-8 18:11 | 显示全部楼层
场内外的美中对抗
2008年夏季奥运会即将在中国北京开幕,从8月8日持续到8月24日。奥运会充满了伟大运动员的表演,但他们同样也是被高度政治化的主题。当人们正欲被令人兴奋和比赛和巨大的成就点燃激情之际,伴随而来的还有一堆有关政治与思想意识的或大或小的问题。在不同的时间,以不同的方式,世界间各强国间的关系与对抗往往通过奥运会而表达出来。同样在北京奥运会,世界上两个超级大国中国与美国之间的复杂关系也将要登台亮相了,无论是在运动场内还是场外。正在冉冉升起的中国不是一个社会主义国家。在1949至1976年间它曾经是,那期间中国不属于世界资本主义剥削的范围。而北京奥运会对中国进入世界强国
的行列是很显著的标志。但是今天中国是一个资本主义国家,深深地陷入了或在某些关键的方面陷入了全球的资本主义。
甚至是中国举办奥运会这件事也影响了全球的地缘政治,这使中国在世界上正在上升的地位得到了进一步的加强。很难想象国际奥委会会不经美国统治者的批准就将主办权交给北京。而中国的统治者对举办奥运会有他们自己想获取的战略目标--我们将在下次的革命问题中进行阐述。
正是这个复杂的动力给美国的媒体提供了宣传评论的内容与基础。宣传的主题代表了美国面对中国的利益,并且被提升到训练美国人民从美国统治者的角度去看美中关系。这些主题有:远离暴虐混乱的毛时代,中国经济活力十足。但这些宣传仍保留了“中国是一个缺乏西方民主开放与自由的政治压迫的社会”的观点。中国政治压抑的特性,很大程度上是暗无天日的毛时代所遗留下来的专制社会主义制度。中国举办奥运会标志着它融入到世界强国行列之中,但中国必须在美国控制全球的这样一个大环境中找到自己的一席之地。让我们看看这些主题背后事实与利益。

中国资本主义的性质
最近在旧金山关于奥运会一则背景报道中所述:“中华人民共和国准备举办2008年奥运会,中国的13亿人员对他们自从抛弃毛泽东思想并向自由市场经济敞开怀抱以发展经济以来的30年间所取得的成就而感到自豪。”(“中国向前跨越了一大步”,Sam Zuckerman, 8/3/08)
中国取得了极高的经济增长速度,其经济与政治权力都在逐步提升。但是这种增长是建立在成百上千万的城镇工资奴隶身上的,并以对环境的巨大破坏为代价。并且这种成就是在使中国经济发展被弯曲的世界帝国主义框架中所取得。在中国较繁荣的城市里有一批中产阶级正在发展起来。但在工厂里,每天工作16小时是很平常的,工资仅仅只能够得上吃饭与房租,童工在某些地方也是存在的,车间安全也很不好,罢工和抗议都被残酷地压制了。超过7亿人住在贫困的乡村,每天依靠不到2美元度日。这个国家的贫富差距、城乡差距以及对妇女和少数民族的不公平待遇都越来越明显。中国社会的性质也通过筹备北京奥运会所花费的巨大人力成本反映出来:150万人失去了他们的住所--他们的房子被拆掉以用来建造奥运会场馆和相关建筑物。修建里程碑式国家体育场“鸟巢”(由于其独特的内部编织的梁柱和材料而得名)的建筑工人每周要工作七天,每天9小时,周薪仅为50美元。数百万从农村地区来到的外来工人被强迫在奥运会前离开北京,以有利于北京向世界展现其最好的一面。相关的抗议已经被镇压。
对于美帝国主义来说,奥运会是对中国加强其经济与政治利益的一次良机,NBC(全美广播电视公司已经取得美国地区奥运会的独家转播权),在中国发起了投资攻势--到2010年将达100亿美元。GE通用电器更是参加了有关奥运的超过300个项目,包括新国家体育场的技术项目。GE的总裁指望奥运会制造“中国美好愿景时代”。
毛真正的遗产并不是这样。从1949到1976年,中国是一个社会主义社会--要推翻铲除剥削的社会。那个年代,正如所说的毛时代被残忍地中伤了,而在北京奥运会,这些攻击又被重新提了出来,并且在社会上流传开来。在本周和下周有关革命的话题中,我们将提供人类史上这段重大时期的真实资料--中国共产主义革命,受压迫阶级获得权力,从1949至1976.但这里,简短地说,在这你会了解到你不可能在电视上可以看到的大概的情况。
在中国共产主义革命前夕,领导者毛泽东,当时人均寿命仅有32岁。会读写的人不到六分之一。周期性的饥荒使大量的人饿死。中国人被毛所称的三座大山--帝国主义、封建主义、官僚资本主义所欺压(中国资本主义为外国帝国主义服务)。帝国主义对中国人民在军事、政治及文化上的侵略镇压使得中国的经济也同样不振。中国的社会主义革命将整个国家从帝国主义压迫中解放了出来,并明显地改善了中国人民的生活。从1949年到1975年,中国的生活水平翻了番。到70年代早期,上海的婴儿死亡率已比当时纽约
还要低。到70年代中期,80%至90%的中国人都具备了读写能力。文化、政治、免费或便宜的医疗保健、以及教育都开始向久被忽略的乡村地区普及。妇女取得了很大的平等权力。这个过程的顶峰是被中伤得最厉害的无产阶级文化大革命,那时许多人都踏上政治舞台,参与到大型辩论、抗议和政治斗争中,这是任何一个社会都不曾有过的,以前没有过,将来也不会。通过文革,以及革命者的领导,人们努力从经济、文化以及他人的思想中识别出仍残余的或复燃的剥削主义,并加以铲除。
毛是一位共产主义者,他将中国革命和社会主义看作是到达共产主义的过程的一部分。共产主义革命到底是指的什么呢?它以国家政权革命为开端,以剥夺老资本主义及帝国主义统治阶级的财产与对社会的控制权,满足大多数被压迫人民的需求,并解决在资本主义制度下无法解决的问题。这么做是为了最终解放全人类。社会主义国家以人民群众的自觉积极为根基,并采取一系列斗争根除社会中的剥削和压迫,从工厂到学校,到他人的思想中。这个过程充满了巨大的挑战,激烈的争吵与分歧。这个过程中,人们改变了
世界,也改变了自己--这是世界革命过程中一个非常重要的组成部分。国家政权革命的目标需要保证这个社会的人们获得了真正的自由--共产主义社会中人们不会被划分为不同阶级并存在不公平的关系。阶级斗争会贯穿整个社会转变过程--从社会主义革命直到共产主义世界,否则就会颠覆革命又回到资本主义。
1976年毛去世后没多久,共产党的内部力量上演了反动行动,推翻了社会主义。他们囚禁了成千上万的革命者,其中包括了毛最忠心的跟随者,并使中国又成为了全球帝国主义锁链中一个被压迫的国家。自从那以后中国就变成了一个资本主义国家。中国的革命是复杂的,--就如所有巨大的新生事物一样,是矛盾的。但实际上,它又是一个值得去研究、学习、总结的对象,并作为构想世界共产主义革命下一阶段的基础。这是革命共产党主席BOB AVAKIAN正在做的工作。
另一方面,对于全球帝国主义和其奴役国来说,中国的共产主义革命是最糟糕的事情。它剥夺了四分之一的全球剥削,并对帝国主义形成一个有力的经济、政治与军事上的对抗力量。当社会主义被推翻时他们感到高兴,并迅速地涌向中国投资。美国帝国主义者做的是双层剥削:他们深入中国,将大量投资注入,再从中国人民那里收回巨大利润;另外,他们转而指向中国的投资环境--为资本主义服务的投资环境--并控告这些投资环境是社会主义与共产主义。通常这些被认为是毛时代的残余物。

中国在美帝国统治的世界环境中崛起
北京奥运会象征了中国进入到经济与政治强国之列,但这个世界只有美帝国是唯一超级强国。Raymond Lotta在她的论文的第2部分中写道:“世界经济与强国对抗中的转变:正在发生的与可能发生的”,“中国的活力'是很复杂的。因为,一个正在形成的矛盾:附庸国与正在成长的经济力量。中国依赖外国资本和外国市场,但中国已经成为了一个世界经济强国,世界制造业的中心。她积累了巨大的外汇,并掌握了相当有力的财经杠杆作用--越来越多地掌握着美元。中国也开始主动在第三世界国家寻求市场并进行投资。”
中国的崛起的世界环境,如LOTAA所言:“美国仍然占据了世界经济的首要地位,是最大的经济体;与世界经济紧紧相连;维护世界政治与军事秩序的担保人并从中获益。美国在世界的经济地位在衰退。但美帝国主义拥有无与伦比的军事力量以与竞争对手或潜在的对手相抗衡。并且自从2001年以来,美国加强了军事防御力量,包括对伊拉克和阿富汗采取的行动,以巩固其统治地位,确保几十年内
都不会被超越。”
在北京奥运会的背景之下,美国与中国之间的关系是很明确的。这可以解释为什么在苏丹及达尔福尔问题上或是与津巴布韦关系的问题上,美国对中国的指责声时大时小。美中关系以及竞争的性质也导致了美国媒体对中国报道的形式与态度倾向,包括中国工厂里苛刻的薪水条件与恶劣的工作环境,乡村的极度贫困以及对异议者的压制。这些报道都在传递一种信息即中国不配也不值得信任被认为是强国,等等。。必须接受美国的条件以改变。这些都是在帝国主义的框架中,中国在其中竞争又是怎么样一种角色。中国的这些情况被描述为是在共产主义政权专制下裙带关系、腐败惩治不力造成的。这些话语也旨在确定中国在
以美国为主的世界秩序中的地位,并且模糊了在中国巨大贫困及压迫的真正原因。实际上,这些都是资本主义的产物,中国的地位也只是一个被压迫的国家。必须重申的是,美国对中国在剥削工人、使农民受饿以及镇压异议上的揭露与谴责都是很伪善的。美国大呼着为中国在对西藏人的问题上感到羞耻,而同时却忽视在美国的黑人所处的情形--九分之一的黑人都在监狱里。美国对中国农村迁移人口的生存条件而大表愤慨(在中国的城市里是不合法的居住者),而在美国有超过一千万未经登记的移民正被残忍地剥削着,并要忍受ICE(Immigration and Customs Enforcement 移民与海关强制检查)突查的惊吓。美国政府违法监听数百万美国人的电话,但仍厚颜着谴责中国独裁政府对互联网的监视与控制。

四十亿人将收看08年奥运会。在当今世界,奥运会代表着痛苦的分裂,令人屏息的运动员的超高技艺,而这一切又是在对竞争国优势的评说中发生,同样的也有一大堆讨厌的思想意识。在奥运会上,美国与中国的竞争将在场内外同时上演。





读后感:
个人认为美国共产党这篇文章里给我们提供了另外一个视角,我看后感想很复杂。可以说从这篇文章里可以看出美国共产党的思想可以说是很纯粹的共产主义思想,也让人想起曾经的中国,以至于让我对我们的社会主义道路产生深刻的反思。
最让我担忧的是,我们的繁荣的确是建立在对自然极大的破坏与能源的极度消耗甚至是浪费的基础上的。做一个对比,想想20世纪初的欧美工业发展时代,我们其实仍然落后发达国家几十年甚至上百年,因为我们有太多问题要去解决了。西方已然发达,已进入优化整合时期,资本主义基本矛盾在一定程度上可以被有效缓解,社会不公平已可以用已积攒的巨大社会财富去填补,他国的好坏我们再多的评价也没多大实际意义。而我们现在自己所存在的许多矛盾与问题正在慢慢发展激化,要如何去解决也是我们不得不面临的问题。也许作为美国共产党这么一个局外者会有其独到清晰的看法。对于他们指出的问题我们确实应该虚心接受,认真思考。
我们的社会主义道路到底会如何走下去,最终会到达哪里,大概只能交付历史去论证其对错了。

[ 本帖最后由 少年 于 2008-8-8 18:23 编辑 ]

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 楼主| 发表于 2008-8-8 18:28 | 显示全部楼层
昨晚和今天分两部分终于完成了翻译,好辛苦噢!眼睛要花掉了55555:'(
希望多点人来看,呵呵!:loveliness:
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发表于 2008-8-8 18:33 | 显示全部楼层
楼主辛苦了,先顶后看。

[ 本帖最后由 lavita 于 2008-8-8 18:35 编辑 ]
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发表于 2008-8-8 18:45 | 显示全部楼层
友谊帮顶
看完感触良多..
辛苦了
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 楼主| 发表于 2008-8-8 18:46 | 显示全部楼层
谢谢!:loveliness:
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 楼主| 发表于 2008-8-8 18:48 | 显示全部楼层
等下去看开幕式哟,期待期待!加油加油!:victory:
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发表于 2008-8-8 18:48 | 显示全部楼层

我刚才好不容易写的大片评论...竟然网络超时....

译者说得很对,当今中国所走的国家资本主义道路(无产阶级领导下的资本主义经济),从主义上比之社会主义当然是一种退步。但是应该看到,作为一个执政党,中国共产党就不能只着眼于本你阶级的利益而是要让自己的代表性最大化,以此作为执政的内在合理性,所以一切都需要在共产主义的指导下本着实用主义原则来行事。

加入由美国创立的国际贸易金融体系也是如此。这个体系远不够完美,利益分摊也极其不均衡,而且总是存在周期性的经济变化,更何况他根本就是血迹斑斑充满剥削的一个经济体系,但是我们必须加入这个体系,因为仅仅凭借一国之力无法达成民族复兴的大业,更不能提高人民的生活水平,只有在这个达尔文主义式的残酷体系内征得上游,成为“国际剥削者”(即所谓的“利益相关者”),才能够完成目标,也才能有资本发扬国际主义精神。

所谓,一将功成万骨枯。

不过从理论上讲,是个好文章,应该成为我们今后发展道路上的一个鞭策。
看样子,这个评论是一个系列文章啊,希望译者能都给翻译一下,先谢谢了


[ 本帖最后由 oracle0380 于 2008-8-8 18:50 编辑 ]

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发表于 2008-8-8 19:12 | 显示全部楼层
楼主辛苦了!!!
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 楼主| 发表于 2008-8-8 19:17 | 显示全部楼层
是呀,确实不能凭一己之力。
马克思主义就是要求我们要坚持全面的、联系的观点,如果独立的片面的自己一国搞共产主义,也无疑是闭门造车了。
“一将功成万骨枯”,看来共产主义革命也是要付出巨大代价的。曲线救国,曲线强国也不失为一种办法。

我们的国家与民族实在是具备一种大忍之韧性,变幻之灵活。我们应该感到自豪。
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 楼主| 发表于 2008-8-8 19:21 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 oracle0380 于 2008-8-8 18:48 发表
译者说得很对,当今中国所走的国家资本主义道路(无产阶级领导下的资本主义经济),从主义上比之社会主义当然是一种退步。但是应该看到,作为一个执政党,中国共产党就不能只着眼于本你阶级的利益而是要让自己的代表性最大化,以此 ...


我要先问问发原英文帖的人在哪找的 呵呵
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发表于 2008-8-8 19:35 | 显示全部楼层
看完这篇文章,令人深思啊!
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发表于 2008-8-8 19:39 | 显示全部楼层
看后沉思,要思考。
这么长的文章,看都眼花,翻译的更加辛苦!
感谢翻译!感谢“少年”!
再努力,少年!
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 楼主| 发表于 2008-8-8 19:41 | 显示全部楼层
谢谢鼓励!
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发表于 2008-8-8 21:31 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 少年 于 2008-8-8 18:28 发表
昨晚和今天分两部分终于完成了翻译,好辛苦噢!眼睛要花掉了55555:'(
希望多点人来看,呵呵!:loveliness:


友情提供眼镜一副。:handshake:
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发表于 2008-8-8 21:41 | 显示全部楼层
感谢少年~~
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发表于 2008-8-8 23:01 | 显示全部楼层
一直在想,真正的共产主义是否有可能存在?

貌似不可能啊。共产主义和原始社会好像没什么区别,也就是生产力不同。因为人类的贪婪永远存在(贪婪貌似才是人类进化的源动力),公有制很容易就演变成私有制。除非是蚂蚁这种社会,只有一种声音,蚁后决定一切。

那社会主义最终会演变成什么样的社会形式? 一种变异的资本主义? 很好奇,希望有生之年能够看到。
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发表于 2008-8-9 01:03 | 显示全部楼层
楼主辛苦,顶了!
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发表于 2008-8-9 07:22 | 显示全部楼层
我非常真诚的相信共产主义
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发表于 2008-8-9 09:19 | 显示全部楼层
感触很深,事情很复杂。
当今中国及世界的未来图景充满了危险,资源的耗尽,分配的不公,矛盾的激化,决定着零点终将会到来,这一点不可避免。
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