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[2008.8.16美国共产党] 将运动员放入绞肉机

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发表于 2008-8-16 16:30 | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式
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Putting Athletes Through a MeatgrinderThe race for the gold is on. China and the U.S. are going head to head, favorites to win the most total medals and gold medals. In the buildup to the games, and in various ways throughout the media coverage in the U.S., a picture is being portrayed of an inherently superior U.S. sports system, as an expression of what are supposed to be fundamentally better values in U.S. society. When Team USA wins, it proves the superiority of the American system. When China wins an event, the undertone is that this is the result of the unfair advantages of a sports system that financially subsidizes sports, and mistreats and even abuses athletes.
But what you find if you really look at the sports systems in both countries is that the United States takes second place to nobody when it comes to providing massive funding for high level athletics, and imposing a win-at-all-costs ethic that chews up athletes.
Government Funding/ Corporate FundingCompared to China, the U.S. has a more decentralized system for bringing forward elite athletes. The U.S. system relies more on corporations and on organized high school and college athletics programs, although by the time U.S. athletes get to the Olympic level, the system becomes more centralized because it falls under the purview of the U.S. Olympic Committee.
But focusing on the form through which sports get funded doesn’t get to the essence of what is actually going on with athletes. Underlying this is the fact that, despite the “socialist” forms maintained in China, both the U.S. and China are capitalist countries.
While elite athletes in China do come up in a state athletic system, their role in society is still framed by the same kind of capitalist relations that set the terms for sports in the United States. In China there’s Liu Xiang, winner of the 110-meter hurdle at the Athens Olympics, who has endorsements with Nike, Coca Cola, Kia, Visa, Yili Dairy, Shanshan Xifu (a state-owned suit company) and many other companies. Yao Ming, who carried the Chinese flag in the opening ceremonies this week, has become one of the highest paid sports stars in the world. He and LeBron James co-star in a Coke ad run constantly during the Olympics. And we don’t even have to talk about American athletes. Their drive to become richer than the next athlete is well documented every day in the sports pages.
The fact is that there are way too many similarities between the capitalist U.S. sports system and the capitalist Chinese sports system. And these are bad similarities of a capitalist system that engenders capitalist relations in every sphere in society. In sports these relations include victories over the broken backs of those who never make it, sports serving capitalist profits, and sports promoting national chauvinism—“my country over your country.”
Is it the case that athletes in the U.S. are at an unfair disadvantage, in comparison to China, because the U.S. Olympic Committee spends less on Olympians than the Chinese government spends? Not really, because U.S. athletes receive massive funding in other ways. Many U.S. Olympians have received college scholarships, free room and board, use of excellent training facilities, and coaches, all provided to them by the colleges. Even at the high school level, these athletes have received free training and use the facilities provided to them through the schools—many of them private schools, where the top athletes get scholarships. At the very elite level, many U.S. athletes who will participate in the Olympics have had private coaching paid for by shoe and clothing companies, such as Nike, Adidas and Puma, and many receive additional funds from these companies for wearing their shoes and clothing. So, despite the fact that there is a difference in where the funds come from for U.S. and Chinese Olympic athletes, it is really impossible to say whether one or the other receives more free funds for training and coaching.
Exploiting AthletesOne message you will pick up on, if you listen closely to how athletes are profiled during the games, or if you read more in-depth sports analysis, is that the U.S. sports system supposedly is better than the Chinese system because it values athletes as people, while the Chinese system just uses young people who show athletic talent—that unlike Chinese athletes who are abused, over-trained and forced to compete while injured, who are not allowed to spend any time on academics, the U.S. sports system values athletes as people.
It is true in China, for many peasants and poor people, sending their children to the government sports schools means giving them access to much better education, health care, and nutrition than they would otherwise receive in the countryside. Success as an athlete would also give the child a chance to make enough money to help support the parents.
But this is very much the case in the ghettos and barrios of the United States. The movie Hoop Dreams, for example, documents how the hopes of whole families rest on the chance that someone can get a basketball scholarship to a decent high school, and maybe a college—with millions dreaming of a pro career that only a handful actually get. Even for people in less desperate circumstances, a child’s athletic career is seen as a possible source of financial security. In Why Johnny Hates Sports—Why Organized Sports Are Failing Our Children and What We Can Do About It, Fred Engh writes about parents “hoping a child’s basketball accomplishments can be the parent’s 401(k) ticket.”
And what do those athletes do when they get to college? If we are going to hear about how Chinese are athletes first and scholars second, let’s look at the system here. Anyone who has participated in big-time college sports knows that there is a contradiction in that term “student-athlete.” Even at small Division III colleges, where there are no athletic scholarships, athletes are pushed to spend more time on the field or track, at the gym or the weight room, than in the classroom and library studying.
And at the earliest levels, sports in the United States are highly commercialized. Even at high schools with high-level sports programs, let alone college athletic teams, sports programs rely on corporate funding from companies like Nike and Adidas.
Stealing YouthOne of the charges you hear about the Chinese sports system is that athletes are separated as children from their families. This is true, but again, let’s look a little closer to home. The time commitment made by these youth in America is huge, and it is just as true in women’s basketball as it is in men’s. In the article, “They Got Game,” Rebecca R. Kahlenberg states, “[Women] players compete year-round, with one to three practices weekly and typically more than 100 games during the year.” She quotes the director of operations for D.C.-based One on One Basketball, who says, “In the past 10 years all major youth sports have become year-round commitments.”
A senior in high school told the Washington Post, “I’ve played in over 90 games a year since the seventh grade and that doesn’t include school games. When I was 13, I played in Martinsville, Richmond, and Alexandria on the same day. The coach just put us all in his van and drove [the 300 miles round-trip].”(“Our Own March Madness, All Year-Round,”, by Patrick Walsh, The Washington Post, March 24, 2002). Cully Payne, a sophomore high school basketball player, who verbally committed to DePaul before starting high school, “has been so busy playing recently that his dad said he saw his son ‘three days in July.’” (“Prep Coaches Cringe, But Players Flock to AAU Ball,” by John Lemon, Chicago Daily Herald, August 12, 2006.)
There have been a number of exposés in the U.S. media pointing out how Chinese athletes are subjected to abuses from coaches. An article in the San Jose Mercury News reported that, “[Chinese] coaches at times push their students hard, even hitting them when they don’t meet standards”(August 13, 2007.) USA Today, quoting a former IOC member, reported  that “[Chinese] gymnasts were being physically abused.”(June 14, 2007)
But this happens in the United States as well. Women’s gymnastics (excluding rhythmic and trampoline) will be a hot event in the Olympics, pitting the U.S. against China for many of the competitive matches. Abuse of young athletes is particularly extreme in the world of women’s gymnastics.
After interviewing former U.S. Olympian Dominique Moceanu, who at age 14 was part of the 1996 gold-medal team, the Los Angeles Times wrote that Moceanu recounted how “Martha Karolyi once grabbed her by the neck and slammed her face into a phone and that former coach Bela Karolyi twice berated her about her weight in front of national teammates. She also related that when she hurt her neck in practice Martha Karolyi told her to call her parents. She recounted how she was forced to do 16 uneven bars routines in a row by Martha Karolyi.” (“Dominique Moceanu Accuses Martha and Bela Karolyi of Abuse,” by Diane Pucin, July 23, 2008)
Jennifer Sey was, at one time, the No. 1 gymnast in America. An article in The Observer newspaper revealed some of the allegations in Sey’s book, Chalked Up, which exposed “widespread eating dis-orders, coaches suspected of being sexually attracted to their young charges, and a brutal physical regime that leaves gymnasts crippled in later life and bearing psychological scars.”
The Observer article writes that Sey’s “life as a competitive gymnast was one of seemingly unending competitive pressure that went far beyond the vault or the parallel bars. Most damaging was the constant pressure to lose weight put on the girls, many of whom were barely in their teens and often younger. Sey describes eating disorders being common and coaches humiliating their athletes by calling them fat. In one memorable scene a coach picks up a loudhailer and berates a young gymnast in public for putting on 2lb. ‘At this rate you’ll look like your mother in no time,’ the coach screams, as the mother watches in the crowd and does nothing to intervene. In another incident, Sey’s coach chastises her for eating a whole bagel for dinner.”
And, according to the Observer, “perhaps the most controversial part of the book are allegations that top coaches had unhealthy attractions towards the pre-pubescent girls who populate the sport. Those parts of the book have caused ructions in the gymnastic world, with Sey being both condemned and applauded for bringing the sport’s ‘dirty little secret’ into the open. ‘It is the exception not the rule, but it does exist,’ Sey said. But she added that the really shocking thing was the attitude of silence within the sport. ‘There are suspected improprieties, but no one is bothered to ask. No one wants to upset the apple cart,’ she said. (“Secret World of a Gymnast: Starvation, Sex and Fear: The Shocking New Memoirs of a Top U.S. Athlete Reveal the Dark Side of the Struggle to Win Gold,” by Paul Harris, April 27, 2008).
Sey’s allegations have provided a glimpse into the treatment of young women gymnasts in the U.S. sports system, but the kinds of abuses she alleges are documented in other testimony and studies. One study carried out by the University of Utah found that 59 percent of elite U.S. Olympic hopefuls in gymnastics admitted to having at least one type of eating disorder. Another study found that 62 percent of college gymnasts (generally considered too old for world-class competition) practiced at least one form of anorexia (vomiting or the use of laxatives, diuretics or diet pills).
(bleachereport.com)
Sacrificing BodiesThe U.S. media has run exposes on how Chinese athletes are forced to perform even when injured. An article in the New York Times leading up to the Olympics wrote: “For many (Chinese) athletes playing through injuries is standard practice.” (“China Presses Injured Athletes in Quest for Gold,” by Howard W. French, June 20, 2008)
And there have been exposures in the U.S. media about Chinese former athletes who end up with nothing after their bodies have been used up by the sports system.
But again, this is endemic in U.S. sports. Kerri Strug, a U.S. gymnast, competed in the 1996 Olympics on one ankle after being injured, and then had to be carried by coach Bella Karolyi to the medal podium. Don’t tell us that only Chinese athletes play while injured.
What about the NFL? Brent Boyd, who is temporarily blind in one eye from his six years as an NFL lineman told the Los Angeles Times, “I couldn’t tell you how many [concussions] I had…. We didn’t count them. They were a nuisance, like hitting your funny bone.” Boyd, who cannot work, gets a $1,500 monthly NFL disability check.
A still-mainly-suppressed scandal is the scope of severe brain damage to NFL players. An article in Men’s Journal listed the following examples: “Post-mortem exams of Andre Waters (suicide at 44), Terry Long (suicide at 45), Justin Strzelczyk (car crash at 36), Mike Webster (heart attack at 50)—showed staggering brain damage in men so young.” (“Casualties of the NFL”) Other buried scandals include the widespread abuse of painkillers to enable players to continue in games, often resulting in body-wrecking injuries.
While playing for the Oakland Raiders Pro-Bowler lineman Dave Pear was injured in a game against Seattle in 1979. He told Men’s Journal, “I came over to the sideline and the team doctor—his nickname was Needles—sends me back in the game. He says I had a broken neck, and I was in agony the rest of the season; but he said I was a hypochondriac and there was nothing wrong with me, and shot me up with whatever he said I needed.” Pear has been in constant, grinding pain since, although he took handfuls of Percodan supplied by the Raiders staff in order to play through the Super Bowl in 1980. Pear gets a $600 /month pension from the NFL.
Sports Does Not Have To Be This WayThe U.S. can point a finger at how Chinese athletes are trained and treated, but the reality is that both countries are putting a tremendous amount of resources into developing elite athletes to compete in the Olympics. And for both countries, athletes are essentially commodities—something to exploit for glory and profit.
As the medals are being handed out in Beijing these next couple of weeks, just think about what has been stated above about what athletes in these two countries go through in their attempts to become Olympic champions—physical and mental abuse, playing while injured, placing athletics ahead of academics, promoting a culture of greed, spending a ridiculous amount of time in training at the expense of being a well-rounded person, and ending up broke at the end of their athletic careers. This is not something for Americans and Chinese to be proud of, and this is not the best that humanity can do in sports and athletics.
 楼主| 发表于 2008-8-16 16:34 | 显示全部楼层
将运动员放入绞肉机之中

夺金大战开始了。中国和美国又要开始互相比较谁的总奖牌数多,谁的金牌多。在美国媒体对奥运会的各项报道里,美国的体育体制被描述成似乎本来就优越一些,似乎在美国社会得到了广泛的高度重视。当美国队获胜时,就证明了美国体制的优越性。当中国队获胜时,画外音就是这是两国体制不公平的结果,中国的优势在于其体育体制由政府提供财政补贴,并且对运动员十分严格甚至还存在虐待运动员的现象。

但是如果你真的注意观察两国的体育体制的话,你会发现美国在为高水平运动员提供大量资金方面绝对是首屈一指,并且遵循“不惜任何代价获胜”的观点以致于惯坏了运动员。

政府基金/企业基金

跟中国相比,美国有一个较为权力下放的体制以提升培养精英运动员。美国的体制更依赖于企业、有组织的高中与大学运动员项目,然而待美国运动员到达奥运会的水平后,体制就变得越来越集权化,因为它是由美国奥委员掌管。

但仅仅注意到体育运动资金来源的形式,并不能了解到运动员所发生事情背后的本质。事实是,尽管中国还维持着“社会主义”形式,美国和中国都是资本主义国家。

虽然中国的精英运动员是从政府的运动员选拔体制中产生,他们在社会上的角色实际和美国所制定的资本主义体系一样。中国的刘翔,雅典奥运会的110栏冠军,已经接受了NIKE、可口可乐、起亚、VISA卡、伊利牛奶、杉杉西服(国营服装企业)以及许多其他公司的赞助。本周在开幕式上中国的旗手姚明,也成为了世界上薪水最高的体育明星之一。他和LeBron James 联合主演了奥运期间播放的可口可乐的广告。我们甚至都不必谈美国的运动员了。他们想要变得更富有而劲头十足,每天都可以看到他们在体育节目中亮相。

事实是,资本主义性质的中国与美国的体育体制存在太多的相似性。并且这些相似点对一个资本主义体制来说是不好的,它容易对社会许多领域都造成影响。就体育方面来说,包括靠体育来赚取利润的资本关系,通过体育提升国家沙文主义――“我的国家比你的国家强”。

跟中国相比,美国运动员所处的不利条件,就是因为美国奥委会比中国政府在奥运选手上花的钱要少吗?实际上不是,因为美国的运动员可以从其它途径获得资金。许多美国奥运选手都能得到大学奖学金,免费的食宿,享用极好的训练设施及教训,这些都是由大学提供的。甚至在高中,这些运动员就可以享受校方提供的免费的训练与设施,其中许多是私立高中并给顶尖的运动员提供奖学金。在精英阶层,许多参加奥运会的美国运动员会有私人教练,费用都是由运动鞋商及服装商提供的,例如NIKE、阿迪和PUMA,并且如果使用这些公司提供的鞋或服装,就可以获得额外的收入。因此,尽管美国与中国的运动员在资金的来源上有所不同,但根本不可能比较说哪国的运动员得到的资金更多。

剥削运动员

如果你听听运动员如何从运动会中获利,或者你阅读较多的深度体育分析,你就会了解熟悉到一点,一般来说美国体育体制比中国的要更好,因为它将运动员作为人来重视,不像中国运动员被虐待、过度训练以及受伤时仍强迫比赛,而中国的体制只是利用有天赋的年轻运动员,这些运动员根本没有时间可以用来在院校学习。美国的体育体制更尊重运动员。

在中国,对许多农民及穷人来说,将他们的孩子送到政府的体育学校里意味着给孩子提供能受到更好教育、医疗以及营养的机会。如果作为运动员取得成功也给了孩子一个挣到足够赡养父母的钱的机会。

但这在美国的贫民区也是实际存在的情况。比如说电影HOOP DREAMS,记录了整个家庭对家里某一成员能获得一份篮球奖学金上体面的高中或大学寄予了厚望,数百万人希望获得理想的职业与前途,但只有一小部分可以实现梦想。甚至对条件不那么苛刻的人们来说,小孩的运动员生涯也被看作是经济上有了保证的一种来源。在“为什么JOHNNY讨厌体育――为什么有组织的运动令我们的孩子挫败,我们能做些什么”一文中,FRED ENGH写道,“父母希望孩子在篮球上有所作为,意味着父母的退休金就有了着落。”

那么运动员上大学后做些什么呢?如果我们想听听中国如何体育第一学业第二的话,先让我们看看体制。任何参加过快乐的大学体育项目的人都知道,在做“学生”与做“运动员”之间存在着冲突。甚至在小型的三流学校,虽然没有运动员奖学金,运动员仍然不得不在体育场上花费太量时间,而不是在教室或图书馆自习。

在最高水平的层次,美国的体育运动被高度商业化。甚至在高中的高水平运动项目,更不用说是大学里的运动队了,体育项目都依靠企业的资金来运作,例如NIKE和阿迪。


偷窃青春

有关对中国体育体制的指责中有一项就是运动员在很小的时候就被迫与家人分隔开。这是事实,但是还是让我们看看国内身边的情况吧。美国的这些年轻运动员付出的岁月时间也是巨大的,女子篮球与男篮一样。在《他们赢得了比赛》一文中,Rebecca R. Kahlenberg说道,“女运动员整年都在比赛,每周要训练一至三次,一年基本上要打100多场比赛。”她引用哥伦比亚特区单挑篮球项目的运营官的话,“在过去的十年里,所有的主要运动项目都变成了全年比赛项目。”

一个高中的高年级学生在接受《华盛顿邮报》采访时说,“我从七年级起每年都要打超多90场的比赛,还不包括校内的比赛。我13岁时有一次,我在一天内参加了在Martinsville, Richmond, 以及Alexandria三个地方的比赛。我们的教练开着他的敞篷车载着我们赶赴各个赛场(来回一趟有300英里)。”Cully Payne,一名正上高中二年级的篮球运动员,在上高中前对DePaul作出口头承诺,“他父母说他儿子太忙了,整个七月份就只见到他三天。”

美国媒体经常揭露中国运动员是如何被教练虐待的。《圣荷塞信使报》的一篇文章报道说,“中国教练时常逼迫学员,甚至当学员达不到要求时就会打他们。”(2007.8.13.)。《今日美国》中引用了前国际奥委会成员的话,“中国的体操运动员被虐待。”(2007.6.14

然而这种事也在美国发生。女子体操运动员(包括艺术体操和蹦床)都是奥运会中的热门,也属于美国和中国的竞争项目。虐待年轻运动员在世界女子体操界中尤为突出。
在采访1996年冠军队成员当时只有14岁的前美国奥运会选手Dominique Moceanu后,《洛杉矶时报》写道她回忆“Martha Karolyi曾掐着她的脖子并很大力地甩她耳光,前教练Bela Karolyi两次在国家队队友面前严厉责备她的体重。当她在训练中脖子受了伤后,Martha Karolyi要她自己去打电话给父母。她还回忆道Martha Karolyi曾强迫她一连做16次高低杠的训练。”

Jennifer Sey 曾是美国的头号体操运动员。《观察者》报上的一篇文章选登了Sey的书《记录》中的一些内容,“进食失调,教练被怀疑诱惑他所照看的孩子们,严酷的身体上的要求给体操运动员留下了残疾及精神上的创伤。”

《观察者》文章写道Sey“作为一个有竞争力的体操运动员,其生活看起来总有无尽的压力,这种压力要比双杠上所承受的还要大。大多数有损害的是,女孩经常要承受不断减轻体重的压力,而她们当中许多人才十多岁,有的甚至更小。Sey说道进食失调是很平常的事情,教练说她们太胖时就是在羞辱她们。印象中很深刻的一幕就是有一次,一个教练拿着扬声筒当众对一个年轻的选手大声责备她又长重了2照这种速度下去,你马上就会看起来跟你妈妈一样胖了,教练尖叫着,而那名选手妈妈正在人群中观看,但并没说什么。还有一次,Sey的教练因为她晚餐时吃了一整个硬面包圈而严惩她。”

另外,据《观察者》报道,“也许这本书最有争议的部分,就是有关顶尖教练对青春期少女运动员有不健康的念头的叙述。这在体操界引起了激烈的争论,Sey因向公众揭发了体育界“肮脏的小秘密”而同时受到了谴责与称赞。“这是个例,而不是惯例,但它又确实存在,”Sey说道。但她认为真正让人惊讶的是体育界内部的沉默态度。“有些粗鄙的行为会令人起疑,但没人会去给自己找麻烦。没人想破坏别人的算盘。”

Sey的披露让人们对美国体育体制中年轻女子体操运动员的待遇有又了更多的了解,而她所说的虐待的情况在别的证据与研究中都有记录。 犹他大学完成的一项研究表明,美国精英体操运动员中有59%的人都承认至少有一种类型的进食失调。另一项研究表明有62%的大学体操运动员(被认为年纪太大不能参加世界级别比赛的运动员)患有一种形式的厌食症(呕吐或者使用通便剂、利尿剂或减肥药)。

舍身

美国媒体还报道了中国运动员如何被逼迫带伤参赛。《纽约时报》的一篇文章写道:“对许多中国体操运动员来说,带伤上场就是通常的练习。”

还有有关中国以前的体操运动员在被彻底利用完后一无所获的报道。

然而,在美国体育界也一样。Kerri Strug,一名美国体操运动员,在1996时一只脚踝受伤但仍然参加了比赛,最后不得不被教练Bella Karolyi扛上领奖台。可不是只有中国运动员才会被逼着带伤比赛。

再看看国家足球联盟吧。Brent Boyd,在NFC打了六年的前锋后有一只眼睛暂时性的失明。他对《洛杉矶时报》说,“我不知道我受过多少次撞击,我们没数过。当真的很讨厌,就好像在撞击你的肘上尺骨端一样。”他现在无法工作,每个月从NFL领取1500美元的伤残补助。

一个还基本被压制着的丑闻就是大量NFL运动员都有严重的脑损伤。《男士期刊》列举了以下例子:“Andre Waters44岁自杀),Terry Long45岁自杀),Justin Strzelczyk36岁车祸
),Mike Webster50岁心脏病),这些人的尸检都显示这么年轻的人脑损失的程度却令人惊讶。”其他被掩盖的丑闻还有,广泛的滥用止痛药以维持比赛,通常会导致致命的伤害。

当奥克兰队前锋Dave Pear1979年对阵西雅图比赛中受伤时,他告诉《男士期刊》,“我走到场地边上的队医那里――他的绰号叫“无用”――他要我回到比赛。他说我的脖子受伤了,在赛季余下的时间里我承受了巨大的痛苦;但他说我患了疑病症,说我根本没事,然后按他认为我需要的给我打针。”为了能打完1980年的超级碗比赛,他大量服用了队里提供的干扰抑制药,自从那以后,Pear长期处于磨人的疼痛中。现在他每个月从NFL拿到600美元的退休金。


体育本不应该是这样

美国可以对中国如何训练、对待运动员横加指责,但事实是这两个国家都为了培养奥运选手花费不菲。对两国来说,运动员本质上就是商品――用来剥削以获得荣耀与利益的物品。

接下来的两三个星期里,奖牌将不断产生,只要想想上面所说的有关两国运动员为了获得冠军而经历的一切――身体与精神上的虐待,带伤比赛,将比赛放在学业前面,刺激了贪婪的滋生,以失去成为一个健全丰富的人的机会为代价而花大量荒谬的时间在训练上,最后以破产结束了运动生涯。这并不值得美国人和中国人感到骄傲,这也不是人类在体育运动方面的成功。




观后感:
原来美国运动员也不容易呀!彼此彼此!
若非一番寒彻骨,哪得梅花扑鼻香。


我总觉得在电视上看到那些教练,没有老美共说的这么可怕呀!
但是运动员要吃苦这是肯定的。






又花了两天时间,终于翻译完了,很佩服老美共,少则也要讲这么一大堆,多则我看了就没勇气翻了。。。


[ 本帖最后由 少年 于 2008-8-16 16:37 编辑 ]

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发表于 2008-8-16 16:42 | 显示全部楼层
“天将降大任于是人也,必先苦其心志,劳其筋骨,饿其体肤,空乏其身,行拂乱其所为,所以动心忍性,曾益其所不能。” ——这是中国人都懂的道理——西方人永远不能明白中国人的吃苦精神!
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发表于 2008-8-16 17:27 | 显示全部楼层
翻了这么多很辛苦吧,我坐地板好好看拉
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发表于 2008-8-16 18:28 | 显示全部楼层
当美国队获胜时,就证明了美国体制的优越性。当中国队获胜时,画外音就是这是两国体制不公平的结果,
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发表于 2008-8-16 18:31 | 显示全部楼层
空谈误国!
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发表于 2008-8-16 20:33 | 显示全部楼层
这个……
美国共产党似乎很唠叨啊
他直接说中美是“天下乌鸦一般黑”不得了么 = =
这么多看得我好累
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发表于 2008-8-16 21:37 | 显示全部楼层
那也得以理服人.
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发表于 2008-8-16 21:58 | 显示全部楼层
美共 确实有来头
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发表于 2008-8-16 22:07 | 显示全部楼层
这个美国共产党看问题还是比较客观的。
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发表于 2008-8-16 23:06 | 显示全部楼层

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发表于 2008-8-16 23:07 | 显示全部楼层
天将降大任于是人也,必先苦其心志,劳其筋骨,饿其体肤,空乏其身,行拂乱其所为,所以动心忍性,曾益其所不能。
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发表于 2008-8-17 01:57 | 显示全部楼层
直接说了,就是现在世界的体育制度,谁也不比谁好,都是一路的~
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发表于 2008-8-17 08:38 | 显示全部楼层
这问题好解决,要体育不要竞赛不就完了?

有个词不明白,什么叫虐待?养不教父之过,教不严师之惰。这话到了美国的实践里面,就变成老师可以依法带枪上班。。。。。。中美的差别真是不小呢,所以用词上也就一表各词(参见一中各表)喽

[ 本帖最后由 6052 于 2008-8-17 08:39 编辑 ]
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发表于 2008-8-17 09:03 | 显示全部楼层
以共产党的名义观注运动员,或观注人的发展与完善,无可厚非,问题是在于如此长篇的文章中,除了抱怨,未提出多少可行性建议。无论哪国共产党,都是以改造社会为己任的啊。为不让运动员进绞肉机,美共完全可以游说美国的运动员,做些切切实实的工作的吧。

[ 本帖最后由 爱咱中华 于 2008-8-17 10:35 编辑 ]
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发表于 2008-8-17 10:25 | 显示全部楼层
美国共产党的文章怎么都这么长啊?难道他们把时间都花在写文章上了?
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发表于 2008-8-17 11:53 | 显示全部楼层
"对两国来说,运动员本质上就是商品――用来剥削以获得荣耀与利益的物品。" 精辟!

看了美共两篇文章,真对他们刮目相看,那些嘲笑他们的井底之蛙们,你们有他十分之一的水平就不错了~
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发表于 2008-8-17 12:21 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 yangs9 于 2008-8-17 11:53 发表
"对两国来说,运动员本质上就是商品――用来剥削以获得荣耀与利益的物品。" 精辟!

看了美共两篇文章,真对他们刮目相看,那些嘲笑他们的井底之蛙们,你们有他十分之一的水平就不错了~ ...


也许王明的水平比他们任何一个人都强呢~~~~~
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发表于 2008-8-17 12:30 | 显示全部楼层
我觉得比赛体制的不公平是造成中国奖牌数比美国少的原因.
比如游泳,一个国家可以参加3个运动员,比如田径也是如此.所以美国很有可能在一个优势项目上获得一金一银这样的成绩;而不限制运动员参加比赛项目的数量,又造成了菲这样的运动员一人独得8金的奇迹.
再看看中国的优势项目,比如举重,居然16个项目最多只能参加8个,这就算了,还限制人数;比如乒乓球改成了团体,这样都造成了中国金牌和银牌数量的大幅度减少.
如果其他项目和游泳田径的限制是一致的,那中国在奖牌上也有可能超过美国.
不公平太不公平了.
为什么举重不让中国人参加说是给其他国家一个机会;那美国田径游泳可以无限制的参加不给其他国家机会?
说到底,还是钱的关系.有钱项目就有资金,就能发展;小项目钱少只能为了吸引到钱的前提下吸引过多国家参与.
从这点看,中国还是落后美国很多,经济上!
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发表于 2008-8-17 12:35 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 yangs9 于 2008-8-17 11:53 发表
"对两国来说,运动员本质上就是商品――用来剥削以获得荣耀与利益的物品。" 精辟!

看了美共两篇文章,真对他们刮目相看,那些嘲笑他们的井底之蛙们,你们有他十分之一的水平就不错了~ ...

这一点其实如果你能认真理解了我们的政治教材就能很容易总结出来了,共产党在理论方面向来是深刻而不留情面的。
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