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【中文标题】邀请达赖喇嘛到不丹来,至高无上的佛教大师
【原文标题】Lets invite HH Dalai Lama to Bhutan, supreme root guru of Buddhism
【登载媒体】不丹时代论坛
【来源地址】https://www.bhutantimes.com/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?viewmode=thread&topic_id=1463&forum=10
【译者】shao6609
【翻译方式】人工
【声明】本翻译供Anti-CNN使用,未经AC或译者许可,不得转载。
【译文】
miphamw
Lets invite HH Dalai Lama to Bhutan, supreme root guru of Buddhism
邀请达赖喇嘛到不丹来,至高无上的佛教大师
People in Bhutan are devout Buddhist but it is a shame that over the past 50yrs, we have not been able to or have not invited the supreme buddhist root guru HH Dalai Lama to Bhutan. Peace and tranquility is flourishing in Bhutan at this moment under the wise leadership of His Majesties and people's complete devotion to the religion more generally.
不丹人都是虔诚的佛教徒,但遗憾的是,在过去50年 ,我们一直无法或没有邀请至高无上的佛教大师达赖喇嘛到不丹。不丹在陛下(达赖喇嘛)英明领导下得到和平与安宁的繁荣时刻,人们更加普遍的彻底献身宗教事业。
Therefore at this unprecedented period of joy and harmony in our country, we should invite His Holiness the Dalai Lama to personally bless Bhutan as we have close connection with him historically as well as religiously. Public will no doubt wish for this and support this, there lets see what the govt. will do..
因此,在我们国家这是一段前所未有的欢乐与和谐的时刻,我们应该邀请达赖喇嘛来不丹亲自为我们祈福,正如我们同他曾经有过紧密的历史以及宗教联系。公众将会毫无疑问希望并支持这项工作,看来政府会去做..
I know China won't like this and will warn Bhutan, but what can they do? This is 21 century and Bhutan is a recognised independent country.
我知道中国不会喜欢,并会警告不丹,但怎么办?这是21世纪,并且不丹是一个公认的独立的国家。
Thousands of Bhutanese have to go to Bodgaya or other places in difficult circumtances for Kalachakra initiated by HHDL, so why not invite the supreme root guru to Bhutan then??
成千的不丹人去了Bodgaya(印度)和克服艰难险阻寻求达赖喇嘛高僧的法会,那么为什么不邀请至高无上的达赖喇嘛高僧来不丹呢? ?
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dclady
Re: Lets invite HH Dalai Lama to Bhutan, supreme root guru of Buddhism
回复: 邀请达赖喇嘛到不丹来,至高无上的佛教大师
You must be mad or have you forgotten that china is our northern neighbour?
您必须是疯了,或者你忘记,中国是我们的北方邻国?
Do you want China to send its troops into Bhutan?
你想中国派遣部队进入不丹?
Do you think a war is worth it?
你觉得战争值得吗?
Does it not contradict with Buddist belief's?
它不违背佛教信仰?
Have you forgotten that China considers HH Dalai Lama enemy No 1!
你忘记了中国认为达赖喇嘛是头号敌人!
Let us be realistic. And not do things that exposes Bhutan to unnecessary risk.
让我们面对现实。而不是让不丹冒着不必要的风险。
beau
Re: Lets invite HH Dalai Lama to Bhutan, supreme root guru of Buddhism
回复: 邀请达赖喇嘛到不丹来,至高无上的佛教大师
Politically it will be suicidal to invite HH the Dalai Lama to Bhutan as he is considered enemy no. 1 by the communist China, rightly pointed out by dclady. In Asia HH could travel only to Japan, Mongolia and India. Other Asians nations do not want to upset China and they always deny visa to HH. Japan is an economic power house and can withstand the pressure of China. So is India. About 90% of Mongolians are Buddhist, followers of Gelugpa sect of Tibetan Buddhism. Mongolia is democratic country and the government of Mongolia cannot alienate its electorate who are devout followers of HH.
这将是政治自杀,邀请达赖喇嘛到不丹,他被认为是中共受重视的头号敌人,客观的指出。在亚洲,达赖喇嘛只可以前往日本,蒙古和印度。其他亚洲国家不希望得罪中国,他们始终不签证给达赖喇嘛。日本是一个经济大国和能够承受中国的压力。印度也一样。约90 %的蒙古人是佛教徒,是格鲁派藏传佛教的追随者。蒙古是民主国家,蒙古政府不能疏远虔诚信仰达赖喇嘛的选民。
Many Bhutanese make trip to Dharamsala to pay homage to HH. Many attended the kalachakra initiation of HH in Bodhgaya and Salaguri. Many Bhutanese are sympathetic for the Tibetan cause. For the time being it is better to maintain the status quo. We are very close to Tibetans in terms of language, religion, culture, history, ethnicity, civilization and geography. The Tibetan Kaygu and Nyingma masters have contributed a lot to make Bhutan vibrant and unique. We have to keep our cultural and religious ties with Tibetans. In a near future when Tibet becomes independent, Bhutan will be one of the first countries to recognize Tibet.
许多不丹人访问达兰萨拉为了达赖喇嘛顶礼膜拜。许多人参加了达赖喇嘛在Bodhgaya和Salaguri进行的入门法会 。许多不丹人同情西藏的事业(藏独)。目前最好是维持现状。我们与西藏人在语言,宗教,文化,历史,民族,文明和地理非常接近。西藏的Kaygu和Nyingma高僧对不丹做了很多独特的贡献。我们必须保持我们在文化和宗教上与西藏的关系。在不久的将来当西藏独立时,不丹将是第一个承认西藏的国家。
Long live “Rangzen” of Tibet.
西藏独立万岁。(“Rangzen”是藏文“独立”的意思,)
miphamw
Re: Lets invite HH Dalai Lama to Bhutan, supreme root guru of Buddhism
回复: 邀请达赖喇嘛到不丹来,至高无上的佛教大师
I have simply voiced this our wish for His Holiness's visit. If you also think the same way as China does, and fear war with China, then perhaps I must say that you should feel a shame of being a Bhutanese and a buddhist. It is you, who is not being realistic as you imagine Bhutan at war with China, which is undoubtedly not the likely scenario.
简单说,我们希望陛下(达赖喇嘛)的访问。如果你也想以同样的方式对付中国,因为害怕与中国战争,那么也许我必须说,你做为不丹人和佛教徒应该感到羞耻。你,不现实的想象不丹会与中国发生战争,毫无疑问这是不可能发生的情况。
I clearly mentioned that there will be some tussle with China as it is with anyone nation which invite His Holiness, but at the end of the day, if Bhutan is an independent nation, it should make independent judgement and decision.
我清楚地提到,邀请陛下(达赖喇嘛)将会与中国发生争执,就像与其他任何国家一样,但在一天结束的时候,如果不丹是一个独立的国家,它应该独立地作出判断和决定。
Look at Nepal, it literally suppresses Tibetans there,let Chinese official free roam in Nepal and listens to their dictates, thus deporting escaping Tibetans back to Tibet or arresting peaceful protestors etc. International communities severely condemn Nepal for this obvious reasons. Even the local Nepalese citizens are sick off thier govt.'s reaction to Tibet case. Many argue that Nepal will in few years time will be another Chinese province as the Chinese commodities and people will flourish in Nepal with the completion of the railyway from Tibet soon.
看看尼泊尔,在那里毫不夸张的镇压西藏人,让中国官员在尼泊尔自由行动和听从他们(中国官员)命令,驱逐逃跑的西藏人让(他们)返回西藏或逮捕和平示威等。是国际社会严厉谴责尼泊尔明显的原因。连当地尼泊尔老百姓都讨厌他们的政府对西藏问题的反应。许多人议论,尼泊尔将在几年之内将成为中国另一个省,很快在尼泊尔建设与西藏铁路完成后中国的商品和人员将充斥尼泊尔。
Bhutan, on the other hand has nothing to lose to China, it has no official tie with China, has little business/economic tie with China and of course India has been a huge comforting friend in all aspect of conducting Bhutan's international relations. So there is nothing to fear.
不丹,另一方面与中国也没有什么可失去,没有和中国有官方联系,和中国只有很少的商业/经济联系,当然,印度一直是非常令人欣慰的朋友进行在所有方面引导着不丹的国际关系。所以,没什么可怕的。
majorPT
Re: Lets invite HH Dalai Lama to Bhutan, supreme root guru of Buddhism
回复: 邀请达赖喇嘛到不丹来,至高无上的佛教大师
miphamw and others, i like the idea of HH visiting Bhutan. But we also know that this idea should remain as an idea only, unless we wanted to become another tibet. We Bhutanese respect HH as a head of one sect of Bhuddism as we respect our HH Jekhemp. We have our own culture, language and tradition different from Tibetens. whether we like it or not, we should drop the notion of similar culture or language with Tibetens. If Spanish and english are written in same script, that doesn't mean they are similar. So, rather than inviting someone from outside, why not worship our won, when we have near us. That will strengthen our faith as well as our country. Love what we have and appreciate what others have.
miphamw和其他人,我喜欢达赖喇嘛访问不丹这个提议。但我们也知道,这个提议应继续作为唯一的提议,除非我们想成为另一个西藏。我们不丹人民尊重达赖喇嘛作为佛教一个宗派领袖,如同我们尊重我们的Jekhemp高僧 。我们有与西藏人不同的自己的文化、语言和传统。不管我们喜欢与否,我们应该放弃与西藏人类似文化或语言的概念。如果是用西班牙语和英语写成同样的笔迹,这并不意味着它们是相似的。因此,与其从外面邀请某人,为什么不崇拜我们自己,当我们相信自己。我们的国家的宗教信仰会变的越来越强大。爱我们自己并且欣赏别人。
miphamw
Re: Lets invite HH Dalai Lama to Bhutan, supreme root guru of Buddhism
回复: 邀请达赖喇嘛到不丹来,至高无上的佛教大师
majorPT, interesting talk! However with due respect to your view expressed strongly, you certainly seem lacking knowledge and on substance on understanding not just our, Bhutan's culture but also that of Buddhism and Tibet.
majorPT ,有趣的对话!无论如何充分尊重你表达的意见,,你确实看起来缺乏知识和对事物的理解,不只是我们,不丹的文化,而且对佛教和西藏。
One question to you, who invented our language/text?
问你一个问题,谁发明的语言/文字?
Also, I know the fact that in our country, HH Jekhemp is the head priest and the part of buddhism we follow is partly Nyingma and partly dukpa Kargyupa ( sub sect of Kagyupa headed by HH Karmapa) and also some Gelukpa and some Sakyapa. These sects or different school of thoughts are like different branches of the same tree and for your knowledge, head of Gelukpa, is Gaden Tripa, not HH. HH comes from Gelukpa initially but it remains to be seen and as fact that HH is unanimously accepted as the supreme head of mahayana Buddism by all four heads of these four different sects and all correspondings lamas and rinpoche underneath in the hyierachy.
另外,我知道一个事实,即在我国,Jekhemp高僧是宗教领袖和佛教的一部分,我们遵从佛教的Nyingma派和dukpa Kargyupa派 ( 用Karmapa高僧代替Kagyupa的领导)以及一些Gelukpa和一些Sakyapa 。这些教派或不同的学校的思想对于你你的知识就像是同一棵树上的不同树枝,Gelukpa领袖 ,是盖登赤巴,而不是达赖喇嘛。达赖喇嘛最初来自Gelukpa但仍有待观察和事实,即达赖喇嘛是这四个不同教派一致接受的大乘佛教的所有四个最高领袖和所有符合仁波切和喇嘛下方的层级。
HH advocates for the learning of all these four sects.
高僧倡导学习所有这四个教派。
Spanish and english are written in same script with minor differences, they are similar infact, so do the english people and spanish people accept their common features and respect similarities. Why can't you do the same, majorPT? When you say the same script, you also should stand for what you are saying, that
西班牙语和英语写的是相同的笔迹有轻微差异,但它们事实上是相似,这样说英语的人和西班牙人接受他们的共同特点和尊重相似之处。为什么你不能这样做, majorPT ?当你说同样的笔迹,你也应该站在你的立场。
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