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【09.08.03 英国卫报】谁说人人都是墨尔本人?(采访攻击电影节网站的中国黑客)

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发表于 2009-8-9 16:10 | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式
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转自卫报中文

本文作者亲自与攻击墨尔本电影节网站的中国黑客沟通后,相信其攻击行为全无政府背景,全凭一颗爱国心。
http://guardian.yeeyan.com/guardian/53357


七月十五日,卫报报道,一名中国驻墨尔本领事馆的文化专员致电墨尔本国际电影节的组织者,“要求不播放流亡的维族首领热比娅的纪录片”。

热比娅被中国政府看做国家的敌人,被指是策划上月造成197人(官方数据)死亡的暴乱的幕后黑手。

领事馆向电影组织方致电后不久,包括艺术电影当红导演贾樟柯在内的中国电影制片人开始撤回准备在电影节上放映的影片,称热比娅的纪录片是他们退出的原因。截至今日,包括在香港和台湾制作的一共七部中国电影都已退出电影节。

七月二十五日,电影节网站被黑客攻击,网站内容被一面中国国旗和反热比娅的标语取代。许多报道猜测这次攻击是由中国政府策划的。《纽约客》博客上有一个典型的例子:Richard Brody写了一篇《我们都是墨尔本人》,文中称“此次黑客攻击可以看作是中国政府默许的行动”。

尽管Mary-Anne Toy在澳大利亚《周日时代报》上撰文引用黑客的话说,此次攻击并非代表中国政府,但是这样的猜测还是铺天盖地。

似乎许多西方人并不相信,中国人没有政府的指使会做出如此拥护政府的行为。我认为,一般西方人与一般中国人的思维方式之间有一个最大最深的差别:即对中国政府的西藏和新疆政策的态度。在这一点上存在着根本的误解。

我在1997年首次意识到这个问题。当时我在中国已经呆了两年,准备去西藏旅游。我有一个礼貌和善而不关心政治的中国朋友,他听说我的计划后十分激动,就“西藏永远是中国一部分”的道理给我上了一课。这一课过去十多年,中国比以前更开放,在某些方面业已西方化,但是对于中国管治西藏和新疆的权利,大多数中国人的态度毫无改变。

攻击墨尔本电影节网站的黑客反映了中国城市年轻人的典型心态。我追踪到他(并不困难,根据他在被黑网站上留下的“老君”署名,可以抓到他在网上其他的线索),并问了他为什么要攻击网站,政府是否与之有关。

老君说,这“对于一个有爱国心的中国人来说完全正常”,政府和他的行为完全没有关系:“相反,我担心政府会因此惩罚我。”他还说,自己得到了不少中国网友留言发信支持,他们把他加为即时通讯联系人,或者在讨论此次黑客行为的网站上留言支持。

今天早上,开心网上有一个新投票(开心网模仿Facebook,目前是那些力争上游且最具世界视野的都市人最爱的社区网站),调查是否支持这次黑客攻击。投票只有“顶”和“狂顶”两个选项。大约1000人投了顶,投狂顶的人数是顶的十倍。其他中国论坛也有针对此次黑客行动的帖子,肯定的评论占了绝大多数。支持者包括Anti-CNN.com的用户,这个网站是由北京一名年轻人在去年西藏暴乱时建立的,目的在于揭露西方媒体西方媒体针对中国报道时的偏见。

这些人不为政府工作,他们很清楚中国网络的审查。我亲自问了老君对于中国网络审查系统的看法。这套审查系统在中国通常被称为GFW或长城防火墙。

他说:“老实讲,我很不喜欢,很不赞同这种做法。但它基本上对我没有作用。我有很多翻墙的办法,有时候会出去看看外国人对中国的看法。不过可能对政府来说,GFW保护了中国的利益。”

你也许不赞同老君对新疆或者网络审查的看法。你也许会批评他的思考方式、批评为政府鼓吹的老君支持者以及教育体制。但是,我敢说,大部分中国人根本不把自己看作“墨尔本人”,他们将自己视作有着一腔爱国热血的中国人。
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发表于 2009-8-9 16:34 | 显示全部楼层
沙发, 谢发好文!
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发表于 2009-8-9 16:48 | 显示全部楼层
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发表于 2009-8-9 17:17 | 显示全部楼层

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本帖最后由 vivicat 于 2009-8-9 17:18 编辑

Not everyone is Melburnian
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/aug/03/china-film-festival-hack

Contrary to western reports, the hacker of a film festival website says he was driven by a patriotism felt by many in China



Jeremy Goldkorn guardian.co.uk, Monday 3 August 2009 11.32 BST
On 15 July,  the Guardian reported that a cultural attaché at the Chinese consulate in Melbourne called the organiser of the Melbourne International Film Festival and "demanded a documentary about exiled Uighur leader Rebiya Kadeer be dropped" from the programme.
Rebiya Kadeer is considered an enemy of the state by the Chinese government and is blamed for organising the riots that killed 197 people according to the official death toll.

Shortly after the phonecall from the consulate, Chinese filmmakers including art house cinema darling Jia Zhangke began to withdraw their films for the festival, citing the Rebiya Kadeer documentary as the reason. To date, all seven Chinese films originally slated for screening, including those produced in Hong Kong and Taiwan, have withdrawn.

On 25 July, the film festival's website was hacked, its content replaced with a Chinese flag and anti-Kadeer slogans. Many of the reports about the hack assumed that the action was planned by the Chinese government. A typical example: on The New Yorker's blog, Richard Brody wrote a post called We are all Melbournian in which he says that "the hack attack should be understood as the tacit work of the Chinese government".

This assumption is widespread, despite a story by Mary-Anne Toy in Australia's Sunday Age newspaper in which the hacker in question is quoted denying that he acted on behalf of the Chinese government.

It seems many westerners cannot believe that Chinese people would engage in such pro-government activities unless the government ordered them to do so. This is a fundamental misunderstanding about what I think is the biggest and most emotional difference in thinking between the average westerner and the average Chinese person: attitudes towards Chinese policy in Tibet and Xinjiang.

I first became aware of it in 1997. I had been in China two years and was planning a trip to Tibet. When a normally mild-mannered and apolitical Chinese friend of mine heard of my plans, he got agitated and gave me a lecture about how Tibet is and always was a part of China. More than 10 years after that lecture, China is a much more open and in some ways westernised place than it was, but that has not changed the attitudes of most Chinese people when it comes to their country's right to rule Tibet and Xinjiang.

The hacker who vandalised the Melbourne Film Festival website shows an attitude typical of China's urban youth. I tracked him down (not hard – his net handle "laojun" is the same as the name he left on the hacked website) and asked him why he hacked the site and if the government has anything to do with it.

Laojun said that it's "completely normal for a Chinese person to have a patriotic heart" and that the government had absolutely nothing to do with his actions: "On the contrary, I am worried the government will punish me for this." He also noted that he has received many messages of support from fellow Chinese internet users who have added him to their instant messaging contact list or written supportive messages on various internet forums that have discussed the hack.

This morning a new poll on the Kaixin social networking site, a Facebook clone that is currently the most popular networking site for upwardly mobile Chinese urbanites (among the country's most cosmopolitan citizens) asked users if they supported the hack. Only two answers were possible: "support" and "super support". Around 1,000 people have voted support, and 10 times that number voted "super support". Other Chinese forum websites with posts about the hack have also drawn overwhelmingly positive comments. Supporters also include the users of anti-CNN.com, a website started by a young man in Beijing around the time of the Tibet riots last year with the aim of revealing western media bias in their China reporting.

These people are not government workers and they know that they see a censored internet inside China. I asked Laojun himself what he thought of China's internet censorship programme, usually called the GFW or "great firewall" in China:

"To tell you the truth, I don't really like it, I don't really approve of it … But for me it does not really perform a function. I have a lot of ways to get around it and I sometimes go outside to look at foreigners' opinions about China. But perhaps for the government, the GFW helps to protect China's interests."

You may disagree with Laojun's views on Xinjiang or censorship. You may blame his thinking and the support of his fans on state propaganda or the educational system. But a large – I would daresay majority – of the population of China do not feel that they are Melbournian at all but red-blooded, patriotic Chinese people.




Not everyone is Melburnian _ Jeremy Goldkorn _ Comment is free _ guardian_co_uk.png
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发表于 2009-8-9 17:22 | 显示全部楼层
写的中肯。
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发表于 2009-8-9 17:40 | 显示全部楼层
其实西方老百姓大多还是靠这些西方媒体来了解中国,可惜肯让他们知道真实情况的西方媒体还是太少,就算偶尔有真实的也被层层掩盖在误导之下~

相看两相厌,就能维护西方在华利益吗?
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发表于 2009-8-9 17:59 | 显示全部楼层
6# sam712

看看英国人对这个问题的思考,和对老君行为的评价等等,还是很有趣的。我本来想贴在这里,然后发现可能不太合适。有兴趣的可以去看看
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发表于 2009-8-9 18:00 | 显示全部楼层
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发表于 2009-8-9 18:30 | 显示全部楼层
刚刚阅读那些国外的网民的评论,总体感觉英国佬比较绅士(老牌帝国主义,能够客观看待问题)。华人绝大多数的发言是正面的,但是总是有一些华人在那里帮腔对付中国人,而且用那种很阴险的方式来讲话,这种人多半都是CIA、NED等机构雇佣的吧。
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发表于 2009-8-9 18:41 | 显示全部楼层
日比娅、达赖、轮子... ...这些滑稽可笑的人物和事情居然给中国人带来了这么大的麻烦甚至是灾难,实在是太可悲了。
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发表于 2009-8-9 19:02 | 显示全部楼层
日比娅、达赖、轮子... ...这些滑稽可笑的人物和事情居然给中国人带来了这么大的麻烦甚至是灾难,实在是太可悲了。
optimus_prime 发表于 2009-8-9 18:41

祸兮福依 时不我待
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发表于 2009-8-9 19:44 | 显示全部楼层
6# sam712  

看看英国人对这个问题的思考,和对老君行为的评价等等,还是很有趣的。我本来想贴在这里,然后发现可能不太合适。有兴趣的可以去看看 ...
optimus_prime 发表于 2009-8-9 17:59


谢谢^^

个人感觉,老牌盟主式国家还是相对比较务实的,可能是因为他们有过足够的经验,每次跳的最厉害的往往是二三线的国家~
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发表于 2009-8-9 19:46 | 显示全部楼层
日比娅、达赖、轮子... ...这些滑稽可笑的人物和事情居然给中国人带来了这么大的麻烦甚至是灾难,实在是太可悲了。
optimus_prime 发表于 2009-8-9 18:41


我觉得不是哦~

厉害的不是他们而是养他们这么多年的人,关键时刻就把他们派出来的人才是厉害~
所以我常想,难道真到了中国崛起的最关键时刻了吗?不然为什么他们这么着急~
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发表于 2009-8-9 21:04 | 显示全部楼层
配的照片是作者吗?
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发表于 2009-8-9 21:08 | 显示全部楼层
配的照片是作者吗?
可可树 发表于 2009-8-9 21:04


是的
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头像被屏蔽
发表于 2009-8-9 21:18 | 显示全部楼层
开心网出名了……
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发表于 2009-8-9 22:11 | 显示全部楼层
总算听到了有思维的一个西方人的声音
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发表于 2009-8-9 22:49 | 显示全部楼层
难得的明白人
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发表于 2009-8-9 23:09 | 显示全部楼层
是的
vivicat 发表于 2009-8-9 21:08


vv猫沙啥时候晋升版主了??
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发表于 2009-8-10 07:15 | 显示全部楼层
6# sam712  

看看英国人对这个问题的思考,和对老君行为的评价等等,还是很有趣的。我本来想贴在这里,然后发现可能不太合适。有兴趣的可以去看看 ...
optimus_prime 发表于 2009-8-9 17:59

遗憾 我不懂外文 真希望经常看看国外网友对一些新闻的留言。
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