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Kyanne of Malvern 6:04pm today
"Thoseof us who criticise China are not seeking to impose our will onanybody."-> "Free Tibet"-> "Free the Uighurs"-> "Allow free elections"-> "Give people free speech"-> "Release political prisoners/rights activists"-> "Stop persecuting the Falun Gong"-> "Stop being communist"-> "Stop being a single-party state"These sound like demands more than mere criticisms. But I suppose weare all too infatuated with our self-righteousness to notice our ownflaws and imperfections. Because really - asking your neighbour,insisting at times that they switch off their stereo when it's blastingout techno in the late evening is you being 'authoritarian' and tryingto 'impose your will' or 'gagging' your neighbour.
Philip of Yemen 5:22pm today
Notonly has China sought to quash debate at the NPC but it also madeinterventions to the management of the National Gallery of Australia in2000 about the hanging of art by Chinese artists of which it did notapprove.
Matt R of Melbourne 4:21pm today
Ohyeah China knows ALL ABOUT free speech (and how to supress it)"Madison of Melbourne - By supporting Kadeer, you're supportingterrorism" .. Do you have any FACTS to base that on?? So I assumeKadeer is in the same league as Falun Gong according to the CCP, i.e.someone they would just rather silence..As opposed to supporting China, who maim, murder and imprison peoplewithout trial, murder people for protesting for Democracy.. How aboutthe THOUSANDS of people the Chinese army killed in Tianamin Square (Andthey STILL got the Olympics, ANOTHER highly corrupt organisation)What about the Panchen Lama, who has been held in custody since he was4 years old (the Lama that picks the next reincarnation of the DalaiLama). Just so the CCP can install their OWN Dalai Lama.. As far as Iam concerned, ANYONE the Chinese CCP says is a terrorist is EXACTLY theoppositeCHINA SUPPRESSES DEMOCRACY AND FREE SPEECH (exactly what they are doinghere)China murders innocent TibetansChina should keep their narrow minded little opinions OUT OF OURCOUNTRYSeems like the only TERRORISTS here are the CCP
Xibao Zhang of Qingdao, China 4:19pm today
Ifind the Australian press and the comments really one-sided. Supposethe Chinese press lets a terror suspect of Australia go on televisionand propagandize his or her terrorist, separatist agenda. How would theAustralian government and the Australian people think and react?The press and public sentiments as reflected in these comments reflectthe typical western ethnocentrist ideology that has emerged since thestart of the Industrial Revolution, and the West's imperialistcolonization of the world. The idea is very simple: whatever you do isthe best way; whatever other peoples do is always at fault. As theChinese saying goes, 'Look at yourself in the mirror!' Maybe your faceis not clean in the first place. Wash your face clean before pointingyour fingers at others!!
Don 4:17pm today
RebiyaKadeer a terrorist? Sure. And so is the Dalai Lama, whom the Chineseclaim instigated the Tibettan riots in March 2008! And they both lookand talk like terrorists! Thankfully, the majority of Australians arebetter educated than the poor and unfortunate majority in China who arefed this rubbish by the Chinese Communist Party who run the country andthreatened with imprisonment should they voice disagreement.
Sam of Melbourne 3:54pm today
Let'ssee.. Stern Hu gets arrested shortly after the Rio Tinto - ChinalConegotiations fell apart even though according to the Chinese, whateverwas going on was already happening for 6 years. In retaliation,Australia uses the "human rights" card to promote Kadeer's separatistagenda all the while pretending to be oblivious to her connection to anunexceptable independence movement. While Beijing and Canberra playchess, our economic forecasts are rendered unreliable. When peoplecomplain about the "authoritarian" style of the CCP, I hope they'llconsider that we, the Australian public, and our livelihoods are beingsacrificed like pawns for politial necessities. The Australiangovernment has to appear to be standing up to China, otherwise it wouldjeopardise its chances of another term in government. To maximise itschances of re-election, it has decided to...(1) retaliate to the Stern Hu affair rather than respect Chinesesovereignty on that issue, which in itself, in my view, corroboratesthe Chinese claims that sensitive information unfairly empowered RioTinto's negotiating position with Chinese steel mills.(2) pretend to take up the cause of the Uighur people and championfreedom of speech at the same time. So why wasn't that Holocaust denierallowed a visa? or Robert Mugabe allowed to travel here if he wanted?Freedom of speech is a pilar of our democracy, but inciting racism andpersuing independence isn't? Kadeer is a trouble maker at best, aseparatist at least, and quite likely a terrorist sympathiser.As far as Beijing is concerned, Chinese people are Chinese. There is nosuch thing as Uighur or Tibetan inside China. If every minority group'sdesires for independence are entertained, where do you draw the line?Is Australia opting out of the war on terror and sympathising with aseparatist movement? I don't think so, but I do think that it seemsAustralia, Russia, Turkey, USA, and Israel are the only ones free todefine who is a terrorist. The term has been so loosely used, that ithas come to mean "anyone that I disagree with, but not necessarily theones you disagree with". All the while, the economic relationship thatwe need to keep us ahead of the curve is slipping through our fingers.It might be wise to invest in Chilean and Brazillian companies whosegovernments are smart enough to not care for trouble makers likeKadeer. (People should be aware that Uighurs are Muslims who are morebackward than the Taliban - although less militant only thanks to theCCP's control).
Peter of Sydney 3:51pm today
Asfar as the Kadeer matter is concerned, I think all parties have saidwhat they have to say, and inflaming the situation by headlines such as"China Heavies Australian Press" is pointless. When it comes toXinjiang, Tibet and Taiwan, China will not budge, and nor could it. AState is not an individual, and it would be difficult indeed tonegotiate anything which implies any perceived threat to itsterritorial integrity. What is more of a concern about what ishappening in the Chines political system are the shambolic and(unfortunately) laughable antics going on with regard to the Hu case.This just shows that the battle between the old communists and newerreformers is far from over. The State Security Services still want toshow that what is and what isn't a State Secret itself remains a Secretthat they can define whenever they want, without any questionsasked...that is what the Rio Tinto debacle is really all about. A goodold-fashioned Stalinist power struggle. Don't expect that to be settledin court, because any new benchmark about where the line can be drawnabout acceptable commercial behavior would soon then need to be testedby reference to a diferrent Mr Hu...the Chinese presidnets son,accussed of bribing Angolan officials. While in some of China'sneighbours, such as South Korea, even the those in the highest ranks opolitics cannot excape the rule of law when it comes to corruption,China is a very long way from such a rule of law. Just how far is inevidence this week, and that must be a worry for anyone looking to dobusiness with China. Here the Australian press is doing a very goodservice in keeping the issue alive.
What's Good for the Goose of Sydney 3:36pm today
Thereported Chinese embassy actions are quite properly condemned in thisarticle, in the Editorial and by Greg Sheridan in Opinion. We mustdefend our hard-won freedom of speech. Meanwhile, in the same editionof this paper Ben Carlill of the Aust/Israel and jewish Affairsadvocates for Hezbollah-run al-Manar TV to be banned from broadcastinginto Australia, despite an ACMA ruling that it doesn't contraveneterrorist regulations. Where are you Editor? Where are you Greg? Goingto take up the freedom of expression cudgel with the Israelis?
Stuart of Brisbane 3:11pm today
Ithought I would share with you this snippet from Article 35 of theChinese Constitution:"Citizens of the People's Republic of China enjoy freedom of speech, ofthe press, of assembly, of association, of procession and ofdemonstration."They enjoy it so much at home they obviously try to restrain the joy offreedom when dealing with 'foreigners'. How terribly humbling.By the way, to all those who inadvertently referred to Rebiya Kadeer asa terrorist in the comments above, by so doing you align yourself withthe only organisation on the planet that holds that view - the CCP. Incase you're getting a feeling of deja vu, this is the same outfit thatmaintains that the Dalai Lama makes pipe bombs in his spare time.
Kev of Hervey Bay 3:02pm today
Chinais a disgusting communist country that feel's it can crush anyone thatdosen't do it's will and i stronly wish that the prime minister saidsomthing to china that effectivly tells them to bugger off and mindthere own p & q's why should we do as they say? why should we bescared sure they have a huge army but they don't have the alegence ofmany other nations we have the alegence of the US UK NZ Indonesia alongwith many others they don't have the might to change all of us at once
Juan of Warrnambool 2:49pm today
What's Chinese for 'stick it up your jumper'?
Rubadubadoobag of Melbourne 2:43pm today
Imnot crazy about the Chinese Government and think their attempts atdiplomacy are somewhat ham-fisted but all these commentators and mediathat can't see the other side of the argument are even more worrying.They can't be that stupid so their excuses are obviously disingenous.As more lucid pundits have mentioned, Kadeer is accused of incitingterrorism and is at the very least a secessionist. Giving her aplatform is a choice, free speech or not, and doing so means you aretrying to attack the Chinese nation (as its borders currently stand),of whom she is an avowed enemy. If this is the case I wish these NPCmembers and politicians would at least be upfront about it and not hidebehind the high-sounding principle of 'free speech'. What a pack ofhypocritical cowards.
SteveH. 2:38pm today
Chinaapologists have two basic arguments, Australia isn't perfect either andChina makes all our tee shirts now so we shouldn't worry about thingslike freedom and democracy.All this proves is some of us are quitecomfortable when it comes grovelling.
Kinjiro of Syd. 2:24pm today
Regardingthe so called Tienanmen messacar many years ago,I happened to read onone full feature from Syd.Morning Heral that this was caused by GEORGEbUSH SNR WHEN HE WAS American Embassador to Beijing.He spoke to onedessident professor in a Beijing Uni.In time if you need help just ourhot phone no. and say a cordword "children need playgroung"and the doorwill open.Had anyone seen Dr.Fang & family been sheltered there for
M. Kerr of Sydney 2:23pm today
Maza of Hong Kong (12:57pm) - well said!
James of Melbourne 2:19pm today
Whateveryone also needs to realise is that she isnt even the leader ofUighurs. Its like saying Abu Bashir represents all indonesian muslims,utterly ridiculous.What all of you 'Aussie' Aussies need to understand is that usChinese-Australians have a vested interest in both countries. Australiaour home and China our origins. What we have seen is a clear agendafrom our aus media in attacking the chinese. Its a sad day when theUighur riots, in which the vicitims were innocent Hans, is expressed asa 'crackdown' by chinese police. In aus, we are taught to support theunderdog, having read both media outlets from both countries. I sense avery strong sense of 'we are right' from the Aus media and bullyingtactics. I also dont expect this post to make it
Mustapha K. of Sydney 2:11pm today
DearDon,According to your logic, you "are allowed to stand up and speak upagainst wrong behaviour everywhere". But when the Chinese do the samething, you call that "outrageous heavy-handed political and economicblackmail"?When you criticise them over their own affairs, it's your "rightfulindignation", and when they voice their concerns in your meddling intheir affairs it's "imposing their will on you"?When you attack them, it's exercising your democratic rights, and whenthey defend themselves it becomes an attack on freedom of speech?Can you say double standard hypocrisy? You should be able to becauseit¿s your name, Don.
Go Bashir of Melbourne 2:02pm today
Ifind it hilarious the people that are going 'good on australia forstanding up'when it is the aus gov and the 'world police do no evil'mentality that everyone here has. We are the ones that tried tointerfere in the chinese judicial system. We are the ones that not onlyinvited this wolf in sheeps skins to our country (fair enough for you'freedom of speech' people) but also give them a platform to denounceand spread their point of view. This goes beyond freedom of speech. Allthese accusations of medelling and all I see medelling from our side,into their own internal business. But hey, we are always right. Look atCorby, Bali 9, Haneef...
peter of coolangatta 1:54pm today
I am amazed the chinese sort to influence the National Press Club - the home of free speech (I hope).
WS of Sydney 1:50pm today
Accordingto ABC News, "the National Press Club says it did not feel underpressure from the Chinese Government to cancel Ms Kadeer's address. Theclub's chief executive, Maurice Reilly, says a Chinese official met theclub's board last week to set out his government's opposition to MsKadeer's speech. Mr Reilly says the club listened respectfully butdecided to proceed with the address."
Mustapha K. of Sydney 1:47pm today
DearDon @12:49pm,I'm sure you don't realise this, but your comments is a comicalmasterpiece. And here is why. You said in your opening sentence "Let'sget this clear. Those of us who criticise China are not seeking toimpose our will on anybody". Really? If you do not whish to impose yourcriticism of China on others, if that¿s not what you wish to do thenwhy are you posting? Your unwillingness to impose would be far moreeffective if you had kept quiet, wouldn't it? So you see, this is whypeople like you are being labelled "hypocrites". Because you areinconsistent in what you say and what you do.And I see that you have a problem with people "comparing Kadeer tointernational terrorist". Of course you would, she's "freedom fighter"to you. To you, she is the Osama of the old CIA/Soviet days. She willnever be a "terrorist" as long as she only terrorise the Chinese. Andthis is why the double standard label applies to you. You haveinadvertently admitted to all the things you were denying, Do youunderstand? And do you now see the comical side of your post?
WS of Sydney 1:40pm today
RebiyaKadeer last week told the media in Japan that Uighurs and Han Chinesewould never be able to live peacefully togather after the riots. Theexact word her translator used was "impossible". So what are weexpecting from her at the National Press Club today? Preaching love instead of hatred or how "peaceful" Uighur protests led to the death ofmore than 100 Han Chinese? We truely believe she did nothing before theriots and it's only after the riots she all of a sudden find all herenergy travelling around the world to represent "her people"?
steve of melbourne 1:36pm today
Mazaof Hong Kong, i agree with on your comment. The problem is the citizenof PRC is very proud of themselves, to the level of racism. In tehpast, it is a form of Racial White discrimination, but now, in theworld of Chinese economic dominance, Chinese officials are trying tosuppress its own bad images onto other countries, and also inform itsown people of "Biased" concucted story line (who won't trust owncountry's official world?). Until Chinese government operates in atransparent function, it will be forever like this.
Mez12 1:33pm today
Right,so you hypocrites want proof from the Chinese government about RebiyaKadeer's involvement with last month's Uigher riots which killed nearly200 innocent Han and Uigher Chinese people? As far as I can rememberyou people didn't ask for any proof when the US accused Saddam Husseinof possessing WMDs. You simply jumped onto the bandwagon of thepathetic 'war on terror' without pausing to think for a second. At theend of the day, of course, as we all know, no WMDs was found. Did youneed any proof when you invaded other countries under the name offreedom? No because when the US ask you to invade, you follow. So thatwhen you are under attack in the future, the US would come to your aid.Did the term human rights ever cross your mind when you invaded othercountries? And you self-righteous people call yourselves defenders ofhuman rights and keep labelling the Chinese government human rightsabuser? America and Australia's top priorities are their nationalinterests. China is no different. They all abuse human rights inpursuit of their national interests to some extent. The reason whyChina's always under attack from the West's media for human rightsabuses is not because China is the worse offender, (and don't eventhink the West's media is impartial) it's because China is relativelypoor and the West's media possesses far greater influence on the worldstage.
Chuck of Oz 1:26pm today
Youall expect Krudd to tell China to sod off, I thought that was the jobof foreign affairs. As far as the NPC is concerned, I give you topmarks for not succumbing to the demands of the Chinese government. I amsure the average person living in China does not give a toss who speaksat the NPC.
Madison of Melbourne 1:25pm today
Butyou are Don, you are! You can call an orange blue but it's still goingto be orange. How dare you discredit China's labeling of Kadeer as aterrorist after nearly 200 people died in racial riots. What will ittake? Something of 9/11 proportions for you to wake up to?
miki of bilgola 1:14pm today
Difficultto find out exactly what is going on in Xinjiang,but certainly therehave been killings of Chinese policemen and guards there,apart from therecent riots. The group most commonly accused of waging a terrorcampaign is the East Turkestan Islamic Movement.So there certainlythere are problems and the area remains tense.Its understandable that the Chinese regards Rebiya Kadeer as an agentprovocateur,even if she has nothing at all to do with killings.Howevertheir foreign policy is such that they are unlikely to get muchcooperation when required.Their policies are ruthlessly ones ofdisruptive self interest throughout the world, hardly ever cooperatingwith the West in the UN or elsewhere.Iran is a prime example,Chinasupports its nuclear(bomb) project and is increasing mutual trade-nevermind the call for sanctions.If China occasionally collaborated with theWest and not remain a powerful force siding with every roguenation,then they could also expect some collaboration in return.Incidentally,once again Israel is dragged into the issue-some of youmentally challenged ones never miss an opportunity to flail thiscountry with barrages of propaganda-getting self defeating andridiculous!
Maza of Hong Kong 12:57pm today
I'dask the Aussie govt. and international community to differentiatebetween the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) and the Chinese people - thelatter being subjected to constant oppression by the former. What weare dealing with here is the CCP, a group of corrupt and highlyincompetent but greedy bureaucrats, who are prepared to do everythingto keep themselves in power, including suppressing dissidents in theirhoweland and intermeddle with internal affairs of foreign nations. Weshould not relinquish our much treasured core values of freedom ofspeech, rule of law etc. in exchange for short term economic benefits.On the other hand, we should review our export and trade policy toenhance diversification and avoid over-concentration on one nation,particularly a nation whose ideology is so different from ours and whoby all measures is a dictatorial regime.
Martin of Perth 12:52pm today
Ithink it is unwise to let terrorists have a platform to spread theirpropaganda. Sure, I believe in free speech but when it comes toinciting hatred I think this is a step too far.
Don 12:49pm today
Let'sget this clear. Those of us who criticise China are not seeking toimpose our will on anybody. We are not advocating double standards. Weare simply arguing for the right of a prominent leader of a minoritygroup to be given the opportunity to present her case. That's calledDemocracy. We feel affronted that another country with NO democraticvalues should try to gag us from practising ours. To do so by implyingthat bilateral relations could be injured is political and economicblackmail. That kind of heavy handed behaviour is outrageous andshouldn't be tolerated because apart from betraying our democraticideals, it sets a precedent for worse to come (and where does it end?).Those who criticise us on the basis of Aboriginals, Palestinians and"double standards" only confuse the issue and water down our rightfulindignation. We are allowed to stand up and speak up against wrongbehaviour everywhere. "We" are not Australia but citizens of Australia.If there are problems within Australia we should speak out against themalso (and not use the reverse argument of being hypocritical because wehaven't addressed worldwide issues!). Those who compare Ms Kadeer tointernational terrorists should do a bit of homework in the backgroundof the Uighur issue (and also throw in among many other things, theTibetan cause, the treatment of the Falun Gong, the allegations ofcriminal organ harvesting, treatment of students at Tiananmen Squareand the Melamine contaminated milk powder coverup as well as theimpressive story behind the life and work of Ms Kadeer).
Rimski of Perth 12:46pm today
Thisshould be a warning to us all Chinese authoritarianism and muscularnationalism is only likely to increase over the coming years as thecountry becomes more economically prosperous. The Chinese populationhas been effectively encouraged to believe in the supremacy in China,and the right of China to impose itself upon recalcitrant neighbours.This is not said just from the perspective of a sinophobic, but believeit's a genuine risk that our country faces and shouldn't beunderestimated just so we benefit financially in the short-term fromincreased trade relations.
bulldust of perth 12:33pm today
WhatI find vaguely amusing is how incredibly naive the Chinese diplomatsand negotiators appear to be with respect to every culture that is nottheir own. All the tact of US foreign diplomacy... Hard to know exactlyhow much of this is bureaucratic bumbling and how much is media beatup, of course.
Madison of Melbourne 12:33pm today
Allthe people here who are up in arms about our government's lack ofresponse to the situation are foolish. Unlike the media, who'd doanything to get a story, the government has our nation's best interestsin mind when prioritising diplomacy over hyporcisy. Because that's whatit would be. By supporting Kadeer, you're supporting terrorism. There'dbe no way we'd allow Bin Laden into our country so why should we allowKadeer? Double standards? China has every right to ask Australia topull the plug on this one. All this talk about free speech is absolutenonsense in this case.
WS of Sydney 12:26pm today
Chinesepressure media! China has no right to censor in Australia! These arenot only terrific headlines to fan nationalism and sell morenewspapers, but also a more than plain message to the Chinese that theyhave no rights to protest if they are not happy. Not only we havefreedom of speech here in Australia, but also we have something herecalled double-standard. We heal the world and make it a better place.
asiawatcher of Malaysia 12:15pm today
Atthe end of the day it is a storm in a teacup. The Chinese are not foolsand clearly will always have an agenda. This is a tussle among massivetrading partners and Rudd's present quietness is not cowardice butaffording face to the Chinese as they will solve the Stern Hu situationone way or the other. Focusing on China is the flavor of the day. Theway in which they operate is no different to other Aussie-friend statessuch as Israel. Rudd can deal with the Chinese. They like him - despitethis - and relations remain in fact strong and the kinks will smoothout.
Get Bashir to China 12:13pm today
Let China welcome Abu Bakar Bashir to China for a speech. I bet Aussies don't say a word!
WS of Sydney 12:13pm today
Twodays after the riots in Xinjiang and one day after Beijing accused herof masterminding the riots, Rebiya Kadeer claimed she knew nothingabout the riots until she heard the reports in the media and googled iton the internet. The next day, she travelled to Washington to deliver aspeech, during which she claimed more than 1000 died in the riots andmost of the dead were Uighurs. One day she knows nothing and the nextday she knows everything. I'm very interested in what she can offer atthe NPC today.
AussieLouis of WA 12:02pm today
Itis right to ask China not to interfere in Australian affairs when wecome to free speech but are we not interfering in China's affairs byhaving one of its terrorists speaking ill of China in our country? Welock up our terrorists but we promote China's terrorists! If we are soenamoured of Xinjiang's terrorists why then didn't we accept the 18Guantanamo bay Ughiers when the US asked us to. Are we not being alittle hypocritical?
Oh Dear 12:01pm today
SoChina isnt happy with our Press club. Does this mean the press willdrop its love affair with reporting about a booming China meansAustralia is getting rich? Never mind we still export more to Japananyway.
paulm of adelaide 11:54am today
Thisis yet another example from a long list of the Chinese Communist Partytrying to influence foreign countries in relation to the Dalai Lama,Falun Gong and now the Uighur leader. I sometimes wonder whether itsmore about stopping Chinese students and recent Chinese immigrants fromseeing an alternative view to the CCP controlled Chinese media, ratherthan trying to alter the Australian view. Because I think allAustralian's remember the Tiannamen Square massacre and don't thinkthings have improved much since then. Anyway, it is quite conceringthat the West is so happy to ship all its manufacturing technology to aregime that has so little regard for human rights, and similarly allowChinese companies (which are basically fronts for the CCP) to buy intoAustralia.
philbe of Adelaide 11:50am today
jackof roselands check the list of past speakers: Nov 7 2003 Dr HananASHRAWI Media Commissioner of the Arab League and Secretary-General ofthe Palestinian Initiative for the Promotion of Global Dialogue andDemocracy.
DC 11:41am today
Ithink there was never any doubt that Australia would not heed China'sadvice/warnings/requests to deny Rebiya Kadeer's visa, pull her movie,or cancel her NPC address.However the comments of double standards in reference to telling Chinato butt out of Australia's business, yet Australia not to interfere intheir internal affairs is a bit ill informed.We're not talking like for like here, we're talking about asking Chinato not interfere with our democratic and just processes and allowingfree speech (not guaranteeing it for the pedantic amongst us), but inreturn we're being asked to note and object to abuses of human rightsand opression. And thus far I think Australia has been doing well.Hopefully this episode allows some exposure for a problem hidden behindChinese propaganda for over 50 years.
James T of London 11:29am today
Servesus right for putting all our apples in the one China basket. You ridethe dragon you are eventually gonna get burnt. By the way what everhappened to Japan? This is a very good reminder to AUS and the US thatwe should revert to assisting our SECOND great trading partner, and avibrant democracy let's not forget, in getting its house in order so itcan become the economic power to challenge China in the region. I dontever recall Japan during its height in the 1980s seeking to impose itspolitical or cultural will on Australian local affairs in such a way.That is the major trading partner we should want to cultivate. Inaddition if the Korean penisula can be stabilised you will eventuallyhave another regional economic power. Then the only show in town wontbe China. I am more than happy to dispense further free advice to DFAT,God knows they need it, but primarily DFAT should ignore the rantingsof the muppet in the Lodge and do its job: negotiate Australia'sinterest in this multipolar world based on its skill and expertise.Otherwise lets scrap the department and run the whole show out of theoffice of Prime Minister and Cabinet. Isn't that the case anyway at themoment?
Jonh of Sydney 11:21am today
Tothose who would demean our country by saying that we don't have freespeach and that we wouldn't allow people to suggest bits of our countryshould be allowed to break away and seccede; I say what the hell areyou on about? If you want to see what not having free speach is likelook at the fate of the protesting Uighurs in China recently or theTibetans last year - death and wounds or disapperance without trace -that's real oppression, not the namby pamby bulldust we occasionallyhave to put up with here (annoying though it is). And as for allowingsuch discussions in this country - well last week Bob Katta wasadvocating independence for the Torres Straight and last I heard hehadn't been rounded up by our internal security forces - and as aWestern Australian I must say he certainly isn't the first person Ihave heard advocating policies that threaten the territorial integrityof Australia! Well done the Press Club and all the freedom fighterslike Mrs Kadeer who advocate for the inalienable right to selfdetermination of all peoples; as against the pathetic and irrelevanthistorical fairy stories that the loathsome Godless Chinese communistsseem to think justify denying these rights to other nationalities withcriminal brutality.
M. Kerr of Sydney 11:17am today
It will be a sad day for this country when outside forces say who can and can't speak here.
Richard of Perth 11:10am today
Ihope that all of you out there that read about China will activelyparticipate in denying their authoritarian regime the benefits of tradewith democracies like Australia.Read the label on the goods you buy and avoid 'Made in China' when youcan. If you manage a store, purchase from a wholesaler that can providean alternative to 'Made in China' and make your decision known to yourcustomers. If you are a shareholder in a company, vote 'No' to anyoffer from a Chinese state owned business. If you are a manufacturer,use inputs from someone other than China. If you or staff need totravel to China be aware of the risks. If you have a website,ecommerce, or net connection be aware that the Chinese governmentendorses the use of 'hackers' to disrupt communication and stealintellectual property. Ask your ISP how to limit your exposure toChinese online attacks.Rudd, Swan, Turnbull, and all the other ministers in Canberra havedemonstrated little more than token resistance to China. In return, theChinese have shown little more than contempt for Australians.Independent initiatives by Australian consumers and businesses is theonly way to send a message back to Bejing.
Moggie of Sydney 11:09am today
Thewhole world is full of conflicts between minority groups and thenations which control them. The Israel/Palestinian conflict is the onegiven daily press coverage (endlessly for years) but now people aresuddenly aware of Chinese/Tibetian etc conflicts. So what? The humanspecies has been engaging in this type of behaviour for thousands ofyears. There is no such thing as a correct moral standpoint for thissubject!
Neil, Aussie in Mexico of Mexico DF 11:03am today
Itdoes show thst the Chinese leadership is unsophisticated and lacksdiplomatic skills. At the same time, we have not demonstrated greatdiplomacy either. The best diplomacy was by the APC, who offered theChinese the opportunity to speak about their imprisonment of anAustralian citizen who has not been charged with any crime.
Steeve of Hong Kong 11:01am today
Thankyou NPC. Living in Hong Kong we have a press freedom that is invariablytacitly censored by Beijing-friendly owners or editors who want toappease their masters in Zhongnanhai.This mutant hybrid regime fascist capitalism/Soviet rule that thinksthat because they buy something from us in large quantities they candictate terms to how our nation lives and what/whom we will/won'tallow.The PRC regime is trying to act like a kid who's parent have come intomoney and thinks it can bully or do whatever it wants to it's will. Theschoolyardesque antics of this vile regime won't soon be forgotten inAustralia.Here's hoping the regime falls and allows the chinese people to betruly free.Re: the difference between Israel and China. 1. Israel is a friend andally of Australia, being the both of us European cultures in Asia anddemocracies. True both sides have internal domestic and ethnic politicswhich need resolving to the benefit of all parties. But democracies tryto make sure all round solutions work and that freedom of speechexists. This is not so in China. Racially motivated Han Chinesenationalism and an absolutist totalitarian government silencing anydissenting voice. We buy and sell things with China. We cannot, shouldnot and will not ever trust them to be friends. Their sort offriendship comes at too high a price.
petera of Perth 10:59am today
Interestingthat the bastion of press freedom and open information, the Press Club,chose to conceal the Chinese approach until it leaked out. They shouldhave told them to butt out. Why are journalists so lily livered when itcomes to China? Would the Press Club have tried to conceal a censorshipapproach if it had come from Israel for example? Why do we tolerateChinese interference in our internal affairs when they tell us to notto interfere in theirs? Instead of their lapdog responses to theChinese its time Rudd and Steven Smith told them to take a jump. Afterall, the Chinese junta doesn't own us yet.
Michael of Sydney 10:56am today
Torecycle the phrases so loved by the Chinese government: "Canberra is aninalienable part of Australia and we are totally opposed to anyinterference in Australia's domestic affairs by any country. Theseactions have hurt the feelings of the Australian people and are doomedto failure!"
glenB of Vic 10:55am today
Thehypocrisy of Australians is breathtaking. We have limited free speechin this country. Remember the world economic forum peacefuldemonstrations in Melbourne? They were dealt with by a police forcethat any fascist, communist or dictator state would have been proud of,and it goes on and on, from intimidation with terrorist laws right downto squashing dissent in the form of graffiti. The way Australia hastreated the indigenous of this country makes the Chinese look likehumanitarians of note. The way disadvantaged such as the poor,disabled, unemployed are treated is commensurate with cold, calculatedmalice. So before anyone has the gall to criticise China, take a goodlook around Australia, except remove the vale of media hypnosis,popular ignorance and toss the rose coloured glasses. We have soldourselves to China, they own us economically. Confront it, admit it -and set about keeping them happy, before they decide to punish us.
Mustapha K. of Sydney 10:52am today
TheWest's support for the Uighur independence is so similar to theirsupport for other Muslim separatists in other part of the world.Remember the West's support for the Mujahedines in Afghanistan, theirsupport for Bosnian and Albanian muslims to carve up Yugoslavia, theirsupport for Chechen muslims against Russia, etc... The West, withoutfail, would support Muslim terrorists against secular sovereigngovernments with a different political system. And invariably end upwith a massive terrorist problem on its own hands solely through itsown making.Is the West now ready to make the same mistake with the Muslim Uighurs?Well, some people will never learn. But China is no Yugoslavia orRussia.
Chris of Brisbane 10:42am today
Ifonly this was China then we could screen out the opinions we didn'twant to hear..If only we had 900 million people living in poverty tokeep in the dark.
Tim of Melbourne 10:33am today
Freespeech on race or religion has already been abolished under QLD andVictorian Vilification laws. The Federal Attorney General plans tointroduce new D-Notices. How many free trips have all labor partymembers taken to China? (Rudd 5) Then when Taiwan complained aboutpro-Beijing statements from Rudd, he accepted free travel to Taiwan.Labor have had their heads in the trough of China Inc. for years, theChinese expect something back from Rudd et al and if they don't get itthey simply target and hack a Melbourne Film Festival website until itcrashes. There is also Senator Conroy's move to censor the entireinternet for Australians. As labor takes Chinese money they introduceChinese censorship.Tim |
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