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英国记者抱怨中国人总是和他提起鸦片战争

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发表于 2010-1-1 23:22 | 显示全部楼层
道歉归还文物后再和我们谈人权
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发表于 2010-1-2 00:17 | 显示全部楼层
作者还是比较客观冷静的,同意作者的观点



但说历史吧
对于历史,我们太执着了,这是个问题,可看下Orville Shell的China’s Victimization Syndrome
http://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/schell10
也许还有人说,又是外国人的,
其实中国作者方面研究的也有,可去中国社会科学院世界经济与政治研究所网站看下这方面的学术研究
另外,关于高中历史内容如何书写的问题现在已经成为学术界讨论的热点了
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发表于 2010-1-2 00:23 | 显示全部楼层
读者留言中的2篇

Britain didn’t mention the opium war. Well, anyway, it was just one of the many wars you started in you past. It’s easy for you to say the “forget and forgive” thing.
But you did mention “gunboat diplomacy” by some reporter named Goerge Pitcher at Telegraph. That’s so “opium war” and “great britain empire-ish”. And obviously, the chinese people didn’t take that too kindly.
“Opium war” for us Chinese people was the bitter beginning of a long, miserable and humiliating history. We learned from our colonism history, the deaths of million Chinese people, that we should never forget “opium war”. So, what’s wrong with that and what the fuck is wrong with you people.
Mel Gibson said somthing about Jewsish people and that nearly costed his career. History is history, accept it. If your country did something bad in the first place, don’t blame the victim of bringing this up. And easily labelling “nationalism” on Chinese people’s sentiment dosen’t help, because you don’t know, or you just don’t want to know the Chinese people’s mentality. Yeah, it’s easier to dismiss them as “nationalists” or “brainwashed commie”. Such lazy journalism.
For the record, the Chinese government this time expressly said it was about “judicial sovereinty” instead of bringing up the whole “opium war” drama.
It is the British government that blew this out of proportion. It was 4 kilograms of heroin, it happened in an airport of China, so the Chinese judicial department executed that man according to Chinese law. End of the story.

I wonder the real intention of the British government this time.
Public official protests, newspaper “China bashing” wouldn’t help, and the government people clearly knew that. If the british people really wanted to save that drug dealer, they should’ve done something under the table instead of putting pressure on China publicly. Their “efforts” actually cornerd the Chinese government (by both your condescending attitudes and the concerns of Chinese people) and only produced counter effect. I bet if China did spare that drug dealer, the next thing your journalists would say is the independece of Chinese judicial department and how the Chinese administrative body interfere with the judicial system. Anyway, you are always right, even if you are wrong, you are “righteously” wrong.
So I reckon either the british government didn’t have any intention to save that drug dealer in the first place and they decided to start a new round of China bashing (christman time, no big news and people are bored).
Or, the british government did something and it failed, and they wouldn’t let a british national die in vain. It is a perfect chance to trash the Chinese legal system and incite the China-bashing sentiment.
Now, things are getting highly political.

I think it’s kind of pathetic that the “Great British Empire” actaully use a drug dealer, whose heroin wolud kill thousands of people for a political show.

If the british government really have anything against Chinese legal system or death penalty, bring it up at some human rights conference, but not this time!
British people, drug dealer and the British Queen(face it, that woman was once the biggest drug dealer and slave trader in the world.) combined really won’t invoke any pleasant memory in Chinese people. Oops… did I mention the “opium war” again!


Sun Ji
December 31, 2009 at 1:50 pm
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发表于 2010-1-2 00:23 | 显示全部楼层
It is time for we Chinese to get over the Opium War?NO!WE WILL NEVER GET OVER OR FORGET IT!
我们中国人是时候该淡忘鸦片战争?不!我们绝不会淡忘或者遗忘这场战争!

The Opium War was the beginning of modern Chinese history, and also the beginning of the history of China’s century of humiliation.Do we have any reason to get over, or forget the history of this humiliation?
鸦片战争是中国近代史的开始,也是中国百年屈辱史的开始。我们有什么理由要淡忘或者遗忘这段屈辱的历史?

I remember that Comrade Deng Xiaoping to the Hong Kong issue with Madame Margaret Thatcher once said of the negotiations: “The Chinese people are poorer, but WE are not fear of death.” Britain there was a clamor again for us to take “gunboat diplomacy”, which are just paper tigers only!
我记得邓小平同志在同撒切尔夫人进行香港问题的谈判时曾经说过:“中国人是穷了点,但是中国人不怕死。”英国有人叫嚣要再对我们采取“炮舰外交”,这种人只是纸老虎而已!

From 1840 onwards, China has experienced a century of humiliation. Chinese people into submission it? NEVER!
从1840年开始,中国经历了百年的屈辱。中国人民屈服了吗?没有!

In 1950, the Yankees tried to burn the flames of war from the Korean Peninsula and China, but they finally get what? General Clark recalled like this: “I was the first victory in the absence of an armistice agreement was signed by General of the United States.”Although the Chinese People’s Volunteers Army did not liberate the whole Korea, we gave all of the imperialists a lesson on the vivid!
1950年,美国佬试图将战火从朝鲜半岛烧到中国,但是他们最后得到了什么?克拉克将军是这样回忆的:“我是第一位在没有取得胜利的停战协议上签字的美国将军。”虽然中国军队没有解放全朝鲜,但是我们已经给所有的帝国主义者上了生动的一课!

Today, there are a number of Britons doing “follow the sun empire” dreams can be imagined as in the past, in China, from the beach shelves a few pieces of artillery will be able to let the Chinese government to yield.The Chinese people can proudly tell these Brits: “NUTS!”
今天,又有一些英国人做着“日不落帝国”的旧梦,幻想着可以像过去那样,在中国的海滩上架起几门大炮就能让中国政府屈服。中国人民可以自豪地告诉这些英国佬:“呸!”

Finally, tell these arrogant Brits this: if you have the ability,sent your troops to China, to have another “Opium War”; Otherwise, please SHUT UP YOUR F**KING MOUSES!
告诉这些狂妄的英国人:如果你们有能力,就派军队到中国来,再来一次“鸦片战争”;否则,就请闭上你们的臭嘴!

is3

December 31, 2009 at 9:53 pm

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发表于 2010-1-2 00:30 | 显示全部楼层
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is3
December 31, 2009 at 9:53 pm
rlsrls08 发表于 2010-1-2 00:23

不会就是论坛里的is3吧。。。
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发表于 2010-1-2 00:47 | 显示全部楼层
不会就是论坛里的is3吧。。。
rhapsody 发表于 2010-1-2 00:30



    could be
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发表于 2010-1-2 00:53 | 显示全部楼层
不是could be……就是本公
is3 发表于 2010-1-2 00:48

(⊙o⊙)哦。竟然猜中。。。楼上威武。。。
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发表于 2010-1-2 00:56 | 显示全部楼层
And easily labelling “nationalism” on Chinese people’s sentiment dosen’t help, because you don’t know, or you just don’t want to know the Chinese people’s mentality. Yeah, it’s easier to dismiss them as “nationalists” or “brainwashed commie”. Such lazy journalism.
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我觉得这个人说的很好。关于中国民族主义问题说的非常到点。
外国人或是许多JY根本不知道、或者是根本不想知道、或者是根本不屑知道中国人的思维和心态。更不知道中国从80年民间意识形态的转变。
所以说出现火炬事件、撞击事件、家乐福事件后第一反映就是给他们贴上“民族主义”的标签。以为我们还是在80年代(当时自由原教旨主义比今天更泛滥,充满了各种“过火”的反思),洋大人们和JY们一说“民族主义”,咱们中国人就跟着“反思”、自虐。
其实是他们没有明白20多年来中国民间意识形态的转变。记者们要不就是太傻比,要不就是太聪明不愿意关注。甭管怎么,先给这些人贴个“民族主义”的标签,这是典型的“lazy journalism”(懒惰的新闻用语)。这些人根本不知道从自身角度进行反省。
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 楼主| 发表于 2010-1-2 04:38 | 显示全部楼层
还有其他人回复那个记者么?
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发表于 2010-1-2 18:24 | 显示全部楼层
罪犯总希望别人忘记他的罪行,尤其没受到惩罚的!
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发表于 2010-1-2 18:25 | 显示全部楼层
哪个电影说“女王的毯子下藏满尸体”?
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发表于 2010-1-2 23:14 | 显示全部楼层
被这丫的谬论彻底激怒了~ 我有想骂人的冲动……
我们不忘被侵略的历史,惩罚贩毒分子(注意!毒品是全世界的敌人!!不只是中国的!)他们就说我们是民族主义!! 他祖宗的!!还讲不讲理了!?!
什么东西~~~~~~~~! 衣冠禽兽!
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发表于 2010-1-2 23:18 | 显示全部楼层
这只能让人们加深对中国不可理喻的民族主义,并一意孤行的印象。
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看出来了吧,各位!中国,永远不对!!
既然这样,从今天开始,我们就民族主义了!我们就一意孤行了!
永远不再解释! 你们能把我们怎么样吧!?!
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发表于 2010-1-2 23:35 | 显示全部楼层
犯下过罪恶的人,当然希望别人尽快忘记。

可是,我们为什么要忘记?

尤其是,他们还没有停止作恶。
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发表于 2010-1-3 00:20 | 显示全部楼层
英国从首相到媒体在毒贩处死事件上的无理取闹,充分显现了西方人的虚伪。首相、媒体以及英国相当一部分国民都在明目张胆地撒谎——谎称毒贩为精神病。
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发表于 2010-1-3 02:17 | 显示全部楼层
战争可能是100多年前发生的。。。。但是香港直到97年才回来。。。并且去年还有人在贩卖100多年前的战利品。。。。忘记除非中国消失或者英国消失。。。。。
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发表于 2010-1-3 02:49 | 显示全部楼层
不了解中国文化。
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发表于 2010-1-3 09:08 | 显示全部楼层
英国人什么时候改变信仰,信佛教的:放下屠刀立地成佛?

但别忘了,放下屠刀后要用一生来赎罪。

更何况还有阿富汗、伊拉克无辜平民的伤亡...
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发表于 2010-1-4 05:11 | 显示全部楼层
还有其他人回复那个记者么?
和解团结 发表于 2010-1-2 04:38

语气就像个挑事的一样
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 楼主| 发表于 2010-1-4 06:55 | 显示全部楼层
语气就像个挑事的一样
红色的血 发表于 2010-1-4 05:11


这种事情总要有交流嘛,要不就成自说自话了
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