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转载:关于中国高铁外国JY和FF的争论(翻译贴)

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作者:野猪的外公
  发表日期:2010-12-5 8:55:00

雅虎加拿大今天头条就是中国高铁破纪录的新闻,于是引起了北美JY和FF的混战!非常有意思,天涯网友一起讨论讨论!
原文如下:
BEIJING, China - A Chinese passenger train hit a record speed of 302 miles per hour (486 kilometres per hour) Friday during a test run of a yet-to-be opened link between Beijing and Shanghai, state media said.

The Xinhua News Agency said it was the fastest speed recorded by an unmodified conventional commercial train. Other types of trains in other countries have travelled faster.

A specially modified French TGV train reached 357.2 mph (574.8 kph) during a 2007 test, while a Japanese magnetically levitated train sped to 361 mph (581 kph) in 2003.

  State television footage showed the sleek white train whipping past green farm fields in eastern China. It reached the top speed on a segment of the 824-mile (1,318-kilometre) -long line between Zaozhuang city in Shandong province and Bengbu city in Anhui province, Xinhua said.
  
  The line is due to open in 2012 and will halve the current travel time between the capital Beijing and Shanghai to five hours.
  
  The project costs $32.5 billion and is part of a massive government effort to link many of China’’s cities by high-speed rail and reduce overcrowding on heavily used lines.
  
  China already has the world’’s longest high-speed rail network, and it plans to cover 8,125 miles (13,000 kilometres) by 2012 and 10,000 miles (16,000 kilometres) by 2020.
  
  The drive to develop high-speed rail technology rivals China’’s space program in terms of national pride and importance. Railway officials say they want to reach speeds over 500 kph (312 mph).

各网友翻译的国外评论:

作者:風炎浪子 回复日期:2010-12-05 09:51:11 
  A fast train without freedom and democracy worth nothing.
    
    Look in the US we can do whatever we want - own guns and shoot, do drugs, watch violence on TV, even people as dumb as Bush can be the president for two terms.
  
  ====================
  
  没有自由和民主的高铁一文不值。
  
  看看美国,我们能做任何我们想做的事——拥有枪支、嗑药(毒品?),在电视上看暴力片,甚至像布什这样的蠢货也能当两届总统。。。。

作者:换个马甲好难 回复日期:2010-12-05 10:02:32 
  Name IS 3 hours ago Report Abuse We have the best scientists in the world cuz we stole scientists from all over the world.
  =======================================
  我们有世界上最好的科学家因为我们从世界各地偷科学家
作者:换个马甲好难 回复日期:2010-12-05 10:03:50 
  We have the best trained soldiers in the world cuz middle east is our training field.
  ========================================我们有世界上最训练有素的士兵因为中东是我们的训练场地

作者:换个马甲好难 回复日期:2010-12-05 10:08:59 
  Unfortunately, supply of talented individuals and good families from rest of the world to America is down to trickle now. In fact many are planning to return.
  
  The only people now try to enter America are crazies from middle-east and losers from around the world.
  
  It is difficult for America to build something spectacular given shortage of talent.
  ========================================不幸的是,供应给美国的来自世界各地的有着良好教育的人已经开始慢慢减少了,实际上他们其中很多人已经计划回流了。
  现在还企图加入美国的只有来自中东的那些疯狂分子和来自全世界各地的loser。
  美国在缺少人才的情况下已经很难有所作为

作者:野猪的外公 回复日期:2010-12-05 10:11:22 
  一个简单的高铁问题也能引起Y国银民对于"中国威胁论"的大讨论,比如这位叫stephen的就很嚣张(后面有不少人看不惯米国人的嚣张,一个劲砸他):
  yes, we have all heard this (CHINA THE NEXT SUPERPOWER IN A FEW YEARS). Really!!!. You guys are not looking at this. The real superpower here is and will forever be the U.S.A ( believe it or not). How many military bases does china have all over the world? How many american businesses are in China? A lot and these companies can pull the plug on the Chinese anytime. China is new to space technology ( America and Russia were there before them and will continue to make breakthroughs in space technology and dont forget these countries have more nukes than the Chinese). Is China really a superpower? How many countries can they rally behind them if the situation calls for it? not a lot trust me. They can display as much as they want but the truth is the americans are the real and only superpower- they have their hands in interests in so many countries in the world including China which is a mighty country thanks to the Americans giving them their jobs at their own expense and consuming their goods. if you take a good look at China, they feel choked in Asia with American bases in Korea, Japan and Taiwan. A real superpower relys not just in their own ability but their abilty to influence other nations to come their side in times of trouble. China still has a long way to go and should stop spying on the U.S. That just shows that you have nothing but american and european technology to show that a lot of us have seen already. Even worse is if america takes their investments out of China and many countries, oh my goodness, you would see China and so many of these countries fall from grace, but U.S is not like that. You can be an emerging nation, but dont compare yourself to others that were there before you, if they fall from grace (U.S.A), they have the abilty and resources to bounce back and become stronger because they know what it takes to be on top.
  -----------------------------------------------
  是的,我们听得太多了(中国将会很快成为下一个超级霸权),这很不错.但是有的东西你们看到,我要说的是:真正的超级霸权现在和今后都只能是米国,随便你信不信.中国在世界范围内有几个海外基地?又有多少米国公司在中国有生意?这些公司可以随时对中国釜底抽薪,中国在太空技术上只是个菜鸟(米国和老毛子更先涉足这个领域,而且还在不断的突破,别忘了他们的核弹数量也比中国多得多).中国算得上超级霸权么?有多少国家能听从他们的召唤,如果有事发生?我想没几个吧.他们可以随便向外界展示,爱怎么展示就怎么展示,但现实是米国才是真正唯一的超级霸权---美国人可以把手伸向他们任何感兴趣的地方,包括中国这个强大的国家,他们得感谢美国给了他们工作机会. 如果你好好的看看中国,他们在亚洲已经被围堵了,美国在棒子国,倭国,和湾湾都有军事基地.一个真正的霸权不但自己得牛比,还有能力去影响其他的国家,让他们有事情的时候迅速靠拢.中国还有很长的一段路要走,而且别再美国从事间谍活动了.他们只是在展示美国和欧洲人已经玩儿过的东西.如果米国人把在中国或者其他国家的投资撤掉,那他们就更惨了,这些国家会衰落得更快的.但美国不会这样做.你们可是是新兴国家,但千万表和很早以前就领先你们的国家相比较,如果这些国家衰退了,比如米国,他们也有能力和资源卷土重来,甚至变得更强,因为他们知道怎样做.
作者:换个马甲好难 回复日期:2010-12-05 10:11:23 
  We cant colonize the world, but we have soldiers all over the world
  ==============================
  我们不能殖民全世界,但是我们在世界各地都有驻军啊~

作者:换个马甲好难 回复日期:2010-12-05 10:24:32 
  Andy 6 hours ago Report Abuse The Chinese unveiled a passenger train that can travel at 462 KM per hour which cuts the travel time from Beijing to Shanghai to 4 hours.In the same week and I am not making this up - America unveiled a new laser guided military rifle that can blast through walls - the benefit ---It kills people.Personally Ill take the train.
  
  中国宣布他们的客运火车能达到462km的速度,使北京去上海的时间缩短了4小时,在同样的一周里,我们没有做这种事。。。。美国公布了一种能穿透墙壁的激光枪--它的好处是能杀人。。。个人来说我是愿意搭乘这列火车的


作者:换个马甲好难 回复日期:2010-12-05 10:29:47 
  Imagine how many jobs we can get from a project like that her in the US. Instead of wasting money on illegal wars, we can have high speed rails across the country.
  
  设想一下如果在美国开展这样的工程的话会多出多少工作机会。。。如果不是在非法战争上浪费钱,我们也能拥有这样的覆盖全境的高速列车

作者:野猪的外公 回复日期:2010-12-05 10:29:56 
  The Chinese can build at whatever quality level we in North America desire... unfortunately, the majority of us slack jawed yokels want the cheapest crap imaginable.
  
  We go to WalMart to save money on essential items, then cant resist some impulse purchases ("ohhhh, isnt it cute" or "what a deal, Ill buy it even if I dont really need it"). So the Chinese are making EXACTLY what we stupid westerners want, which is CHEAP CRAP and we are NOT saving money when we buy it.
  
  Its worth mentioning that the majority of stuff purchased at the likes of WalMart/Target etc. ends up in a landfill within months of purchase... usually because it breaks or fails to perform at an acceptable level.
  
  If you dont want CHEAP CRAP from CHINA then STOP COMPLAINING ABOUT IT AND STOP BUYING IT!!!!!!!!
  中国人能根据我们北美人的意愿造出任何质量的东西,不幸的是,我们这里有太多的乡巴佬,只需要便宜货.我们去沃尔玛是为了买便宜货,但是老是太冲动(Oh,这真酷,太划算了,就算我不需要也应该买).所以中国人对我们这种西方SB的心态抓得很准.我们买这些廉价劣质的垃圾根本就省不了钱.不得不说的是,在沃尔玛买的大部分东西,因为产品的寿命到期,几个月后都是以仍进垃圾桶而告终的.如果你不需要垃圾货,就别买,买了就别抱怨

作者:换个马甲好难 回复日期:2010-12-05 10:37:16 
  A few years ago I took an amtrack train from Sacramento to Los Angeles (430 miles) it took 15 hours. Maybe the Chinese can teach us how to improve our transportation system
  
  几年前我曾经搭乘一个水陆两用的火车从萨克拉门托(加州首府)去洛杉矶,整个过程花费了15小时,也许中国人能教我们如何改进交通系统
作者:换个马甲好难 回复日期:2010-12-05 10:42:43 
  We could; and should have high speed rail service in the United States. Other countries have it; and are highly sucessfull. Why then; doesnt the United States have a rail system in place that would benefit a majority of Americans? Two words. Big Oil. At the end of WW2; L.A. had the very best rail system in the country; bar none. So what happened? The oil companies at the time colluded together; bought all the local transit compamies; ripped out the tracks; and started paving roads. End result. L.A. resembles the worlds biggest parking lot at rush hour.
  我们美国能,也应该有这样的高速铁路系统。别的国家有了,而且做得非常成功。为什么美国不能有这样的便利于大多数美国人的铁路系统?原因就是:石油巨头。二战后,洛杉矶曾经有非常好的铁路系统,无一例外的。然而什么发生了?石油公司勾结到一起,买下了几乎本地所有的铁路公司,拆除铁轨,开始铺路。结果就是,洛杉矶在上下班时间里就像一


作者:野猪的外公 回复日期:2010-12-05 10:46:34 
  VEZ: Sometimes when I eat a big bunch of grapes, followed by a big cold glass of water, Any existing food in my colon, travels through it faster than a Chinese Bullet Train!!!! Ahhhhmazing!!!!!
  这太棒了,如果我哪天坐在中国的子弹列车上一遍喝水一遍吃葡萄.
  DARIO:China technology is improving so fast and in three years china will be the number one economy in the world in 30 years china will build colonies in outer space.
  中国的技术进步得太快了,三年后中国就会是经济第一,30年后中国就会在外太空有殖民地
  deegirlshopping :i think china should feed there people first
  我认为中国应该先让他们的人吃饱再说
  以下是回复:
  lol, people in china no longer starve to death anymore, however they still need a better health care and a pension system. Still there are only a few countries on this planet can produce high speed trains, chinese do have advance technology right now.
  J:中国人已经解决了温饱问题了,但是他们仍然需要一个好一点的医疗和养老系统.世界上只有几个国家可以造出这么快的火车,中国现在确实有先进的技术了!
  J is right, not many in China starve. The health care is corrupt and I cannot understand why they pay for the Olympics, the Asian Games, build the fastest trains yet ignore the people. But J, the technology for the train was taken from Europe and just redesigned.
  J说得对,中国已经结束饥饿时代了,只是医疗系统很腐败,我搞不定为什么他们花那么多钱办奥运和亚运会,建那么快的高铁,却不管自己的人民.但是J,中国的高铁技术是欧洲的,他们只是重新设计了下.


作者:换个马甲好难 回复日期:2010-12-05 10:59:55 
  China almost conquered the world as it was known over a thousand years ago. They opted for isolation and all new developments in science and engineering ceased. They had already invented the things we take for granted today. They are a waking giant and new, bigger and better things will flow from China in the yerars to come. Anyone who thinks they are stupid, is himself stupid. They dont have to steal from the West. They are well capable of developing on their own. When they "steal", they are only following the principal of "not re-inventing the wheel".
  中国就像它一千多年前一样,几乎战胜了全世界。他们选择了独立,然后几乎所有的科技建筑新发明都停止了。他们已经发明了我们今天认为理所当然的东西。他们是一个逐渐苏醒的巨人,而且将会有更多的更新,更大,更好的东西被中国生产出来。如果还有谁认为他们愚蠢的话,他自己就是个蠢货。他们没有从西方偷走什么东西。他们有很好的能力来发展他们自己。就算他们“偷”,他们也遵循着“要创新”的原则
  
  顺便注明一下,这是目前为止看到的最多人同意的


作者:野猪的外公 回复日期:2010-12-05 11:09:34 
  I am chinese in Canada and was living somewhere near the Guangzhou railway station, where there are this kind of experss trains leaving from guangzhou to Wuhan.
  It is a good news for people who care about speed and efficiency, but not the fare. But the reality in China is millions of people who dont care about the speed but the fare, when the new fare is far above the normal fare and the normal trains have been retired gradually
  我们的同胞来了:
  我是个在加拿大的中国人,我家就在广州铁路站附近,在那里是广州到武汉的始发站.这里大家只关心速度和效率,不大关心车费,但在中国人民更多的关注车费,高铁的价格远超一般票价,而普通列车已经快退休了.
  maybe people should take a trip to china and see the change...l have a condo there..l don,t see any guns...no teens with babys..no garbage on the streets..people respect the law..when the governments takes down your house..they give you a pension for life..they don,t say that in the press..who built the railway in canada..it was not us...it was the chinese.(CPR)..in four years l have never seen a problem with the police, there very well informed
  when l get off the plane in T.O. it,s like a thrid world country
  或许大家应该去中国旅行看看中国的变化..我在中国有套公寓.这里没有任何的枪支,没有还未成年就有孩子的少女,街上没有垃圾.人民遵纪守法.当政府拆了你的房子,会无任何压力的给你赔偿金. 但在加拿大谁会给我们修铁路?不是我们自己修的,是中国人帮我们修的(PS:当时中国劳工在加拿大修铁路的时候待遇跟奴隶没什么分别) ,在中国的4年里,我没有看到当地的警察有虾米问题,他们都是见多识广的,而当我回到多伦多下飞机的时候,简直觉得来到了第三世界国家.
  PS:这位应该算是加拿大的超级JY了,LZ看了都流汗啊!!
  于是以下就有不同意见了:
  try being born and raised their, coming from nothing. Im sure youll sing a different tune.
  Youre a white visitor to china, thats why you have it good.
  那你干嘛不生在那里长在那里?如果真是那样你一定不会这样说了.你之所以有那么多好处因为你是个在中国旅游的白人!
  Pack your stuff and leave
  把东西收拾好,滚吧
  If its so good in China then why are they immigrating to Canada?
  中国既然那么好,他们干嘛都移民?
  no guns cause its the death penalty for even mediocre crimes, no teens with babies cause they are killed at birth....penison for life...wel you said it...cause they take down your house that you have lived in your whole life......yeah, sounds great to me...where do I sign up? Lmfao
  中国没有枪支,那是因为在那里就算不太严重的罪行都会被枪毙.没有有小孩的未成年少女是因为孩子还没出生就被打掉了,至于补偿金,你说对了,因为他们拆掉了你的房子….
  it sounds like you are describing Tokyo but not China.
  大哥,你确定你说的是中国不是东京?


作者:换个马甲好难 回复日期:2010-12-05 11:10:16 
  As China does this
  Gov. Cris Cristy of NJ says America is too broke and stupid to dig a tunnel to NY
  中国人做了这些,新泽西州长只会说美国人太蠢太穷了,没有能力挖个隧道去纽约

作者:换个马甲好难 回复日期:2010-12-05 11:16:27 
  By the time US voters will be done with their self-destructive behaviour at the polls, the US will have become the worlds leading developing country and China will have taken the position of the most developed country.
  
  You dont think so? Suit yourselves and we will talk about it, again, after the fact.
  伴随着美国选民在选举中自杀式的行为,美国将会变成世界上的领头发展中国家,中国则会取代大多数发达国家。。
  
  你难道不这样认为?随你便啦,我们将会在这个事实发生之后继续讨论。。。


作者:换个马甲好难 回复日期:2010-12-05 11:20:42 
  In the next 5 years, China will lead the world in solar and renewable energy if we dont pay attention.
  
  Meanwhile, the Congress is busy giving Tax Break to Paris Hilton and the rich. Paris has enough money to party, she does not need any more.Reply.
  
  在接下来的五年内,如果我们再不加把劲,中国将会在太阳能和可再生能源上独领风骚。同时,国会还在忙于给帕丽斯希尔顿和其它富人们所得税减免。帕丽斯已经有了足够多的去party的钱了。她已经不需要更多的了


作者:换个马甲好难 回复日期:2010-12-05 11:25:09 
  Our companies control the state and in China it's the other way around.
  So long as it is possible to extract one more penny from you on an Airplane than it would be on a Train you wont see any trains here.Reply.
  
  在我们国家财团控制了政府,中国则相反。
  只要航空公司还能在你身上相比铁路更多的挖出一个子儿,你就休想看到什么铁路

作者:野猪的外公 回复日期:2010-12-05 11:28:01 
  Canada makes no effort to invest in or develop transportation technologies of any kind. High speed trains running from coast to coast are of no value. Why invest in infrastructure when there will be no growth or use for its development?
  Canada is simply a resource base for business and industry. Further, it is unlikely to continue as a sovereign state in the foreseeable future. Canada can no longer be considered a country as it is really owned by multinationals.
  加拿大根本不会投资公共交通以及这些技术.从东岸到西岸的高铁无任何价值,既然没价值干嘛要投资这些基础建设?加拿大是靠资源以及资源主导的商业和工业混饭吃的.再者,加拿大今后也不大可能成为一个主权国家,因为这个国家的主权是被好多的种族控制的.
  Here in the west we have gradually developed into a "me" society (take care of # 1 first). China is a "we" society. They work as a team. The group takes precedent over the individual. This difference is most apparent in our school system. We need to reverse this soon. It is not good. We are weakening ourselves as a society.
  在我们西方,我们在逐渐变成一种强调”我”的社会,而在中国这个社会强调的是”我们”.他们做的是团队工作.集体利益高于个人利益.这种差异在我们的学校里尤其明显.我们应该做出改变了,这很不好,我们组成的这个集体社会正变得越来越弱


作者:换个马甲好难 回复日期:2010-12-05 11:40:03 
  cynical 11 hours ago Report Abuse We pay for war not trains. Bomb them into the stone age! Or maybe it's us who shot ourselves in the foot with nothing but military spending!
  我们为战争而不是火车付款。炸得他们直到石器时代!或者我们用军费开支自己拖死自己

作者:换个马甲好难 回复日期:2010-12-05 11:52:13 
  While the Chinese move ahead, gay Governor Christie stops funding for the new rail link tunnel along the Northeast Corridor and you goons cheer and master-bate over him.
  
  中国赶上来了,同性恋州长Christie停止了新的火车隧道的经费,你们这些sb就欢腾了


作者:野猪的外公 回复日期:2010-12-05 11:55:15 
  Japanese helped chinese to build fast train system in Summer Olympic, Chinese just copy Japanese train technology, and say it to the world it their own technology. Chinese Government is awful.
  中国在奥运会期间的的铁路系统是日本人帮助建的,中国人只是拷贝了日本人的列车技术,然后向世界宣传这是他们的技术.中国ZF真是糟糕.
  以下是回复:
  So what
  那又怎么样?
  One of the reasons China will rule the future, Building infrastructure. Too many of the early industrialised countries are still relying on old tech and can't afford or are unwilling to upgrade. China is basically building from the ground up and using the past success and failures of other countries as a guildline. Just smart. If I was going to start a business I'd look at all my rivals first.
  为什么说中国会统治世界,其中的一个原因就是他们的基础设施建设.太多的老牌工业国家还对老技术恋恋不舍,要么就没钱开发,或者不愿意更新技术.中国人利用他国成功和失败的经验对国家进行彻底的建设.这样很聪明,如果我要创业,我肯定要先看看我的竞争对手
  Can you provide evidence?
  What is wrong if indeed Japanese introduced the first train and the Chinese built on this and made improvement? Isn't this how progresses are made?
  你这样说有证据目有?如果中国人从日本引进技术,然后在此之上进行改进有何不可?技术本来就是这样发展的.
  The west stole a lot of their technology too. You think the USA would of made it to the moon without the Germans? Think nuclear reactors would exist today without Einstein?
  Electricity without Tesla? The telephone without Bell? You probably still think Bell was educated in Canada.
  西方人同样也偷了不少技术.你觉得米国人没有德国人的帮助就能登月?你认为没有爱因斯坦世界上就会有核反应堆? 你认为没有特斯拉就会有电?没有贝尔就会有电话?难道你真认为贝尔是在加拿大接受教育的?

作者:换个马甲好难 回复日期:2010-12-05 12:13:21 
  The majority of the population cannot afford to ride this train. Hundreds of millions of your people work in sweat shops.
  他们的大多数人口付不起这个高铁的票价。成千上万的人在血汗工厂工作

作者:野猪的外公 回复日期:2010-12-05 12:13:48 
  yeah, great advances, no doubt. still remeber going from Shaghai to Urumchi in dirty and cold ying zuo car in 1989. ying zuo means car with only sitting seats. 3 days and a half ride ;
  yeah,毫无疑问,进步得很快,我至今都记得1989年从上海到乌鲁木齐那又冷又脏的yingzuo车,.ying zuo的意思就是有得坐没得睡的车,用了朕三天半的时间啊.
  以下是回复
  your european pride is probably taking a good beating reading about this news.
  Talking about remembering, what else can we remember..i know we can remember the time when china was the cradle of civilzation and of course innovations together with the middle east while the white man in europe was still living like a caveman.
  你们欧洲人看到这个新闻是不是觉得自尊心被打击了?你要来话当年?关于你们可真是没啥好回忆的.当中国还是世界文明的摇篮的时候,当他们和中东人共创文明的时候,欧洲的白人跟山野村夫差不多


作者:换个马甲好难 回复日期:2010-12-05 12:22:54 
  How fast will it go when its fully loaded,how many people will it hold,and then how many wrecks will it have and China say its safe to ride ? Will it be safe if they have a hundred wrecks a year or a thousand ? Then if a million people are killed a year,the Chinese will still out populate us.I'll pass on riding that train !
  如果它满员了它能达到的速度是多少?它能承载多少人?还有它会造成多少事故?即使中国说它很安全?如果它每年都有一百次甚至一千次事故它还会安全么?如果还会有每年百万人被杀掉的话,中国人仍然会有很多人移民到我们这里来。
  
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  commentALLABOUTTHEFEAR 14 hours ago Report Abuse You must be a spokesman for Texas/Saudi Oil..3 users liked this comment
  你肯定是德克萨斯州或者沙特的发言人
  out the Obvious 14 hours ago Report Abuse it would still be safer than AmTrek
  就算那样。。。也比美国铁路公司要好。
作者:换个马甲好难 回复日期:2010-12-05 12:31:46 
  God used to bless America. We don't want God's moral laws telling us how to live. Why should we expect God to bless this land of abortion,sodomy, living together unmarried, nonworking stealing from hard workers thru government entitlement. The list is longer but you should get the picture. God owes America nothing.
  上帝曾经保佑美国。我们却不需要上帝来教我们如何生活了。为什么我们会希望上帝保佑这样一个充满了堕胎,鸡奸,未婚同居,不工作,通过政府津贴剥削那些辛苦工人的人的土地?这个单子很长,但是你必须了解。上帝不欠美国人什么

作者:换个马甲好难 回复日期:2010-12-05 12:40:20 
  China has dreams....America has schemes! China has enthusiasm...America has negativism! China is progressive....America is regressing! The Chinese are willing to work for it...the Americans would rather steal it! The Chinese will share....the Americans are greedy!... The Chinese are excited about their country...the Americans simply tolerate there's!
  
  Coming back to the airports in America after flying through PuDong is like coming to a third world country! Listeneing to the bickering and just say "no" crap is totally disappointing! You made your bed America...now you can lay in it!
  中国有梦,美国只有计划!中国有热情,美国只有消极!中国在改革,美国在倒退!中国人有献身的觉悟,美国人甚至会偷窃!中国人会分享,美国人确只有贪婪!中国人对他们的国家乐观,美国人只是忍受!
  从浦东回到美国机场简直就像来到了一个第三世界国家!只会听争吵和说“不”这种废话是完全没有希望的!你建造了你自己的美国梦之床,那现在你就躺在那上面吧

作者:换个马甲好难 回复日期:2010-12-05 12:54:55 
  this is what happens when the government sets it's sights on economic growth and to becoming a super power on the world stage. things are truly getting better for the chinese and their citizens will reap the benefits. i only wish that here in the US, we had similiar goals, instead of making the rich richer
  如果政府把目光放到经济发展和成为世界的一极的话,这是这是自然而然会发生的事情。中国人确实是过的越来越好了,他们将会享受到更多好处。我只是希望我们也有同样的计划,而不是使富人更富

作者:游骑兵小马甲 回复日期:2010-12-05 13:06:43 
  
  
  The great American Capitalist Industrial Miracle can build a train that goes 90 MILES AN HOUR !!!
  -----------------------------------------------------------------
  伟大的美国资本主义工业奇迹能建造每小时90英里的火车

作者:换个马甲好难 回复日期:2010-12-05 13:08:37 
  
  可恶的天涯,吞我回复
  300mph ??..... chinese made train ?? ..... ooops!
  
  i wouldnt wanna be in that train if i were you.Replies (1) 1 users liked this comment
  300km!中国造!唔!
  我是你的话才不要搭这种火车。
  15 hours ago Report Abuse Similar trains have operated for almost 2 years now without one accident相似的火车已经运行近两年了,没有一起事故

作者:换个马甲好难 回复日期:2010-12-05 13:13:08 
  Yeah, thats the train I want to ride on...a scary fast train built by the same country that cant even make safe toys and dog food. lol
  yeah,这就是我想要的火车。。。。。一个由连安全的玩具和食物都造不出来的国家造的提心吊胆的高速火车。笑
  
  回复有意思。。。
  They built those toys for American not for their people
  玩具他们是给美国人造的,又不是给他们自己造的

作者:换个马甲好难 回复日期:2010-12-05 13:19:50 
  "300 mph! Awesome! How long will it take for the US to develop a rapid train system?"
  
  Forget about high speed rails. Our politicians wont abandon their rich oil buddies who in turn help them win election adn re-election.
  “300km耶!我们要多久才会建起这样的一个高速铁路系统啊?"
  忘掉高铁吧。我们的政客们才不会禁止帮他们赢得竞选和再次竞选的富有石油伙伴们

作者:野猪的外公 回复日期:2010-12-05 14:25:00 
  ts good to see the Asian countries following the Equropeans lead and building efficient rail systems. It will cut pollution and the ridiculous traffic they have on their roads right now. Now we need to bring that attitude here to North America.
  
  I would think people would approve of them doing something like this. Also, Patrick, I have worked with many Chinese in both education and industry. This is an example of what the Chinese do best, take a good idea thought up by someone else and run with it. As long as China has a culture that suppresses creativity they will always be following the rest of the industrialized world. Original ideas arent born in China they are imported by China. Also, China isnt even close to dominating the world economy. China has a dysfunctional co-dependent relationship with the US that makes it appear to have a huge trade surplus but it is all in fact worthless because it is all in US federal debt which if they ever tried to collect would sink their economy as well. Furthermore, while a large portion of the workers in the fields of Math and Science are Chinese, I dont know any who are doing any original work. They make great drones but in the end its usually a European or a Persian doing the truly creative ground breaking work.
  很高兴看到亚洲国家步欧洲人的后尘修建高效的铁路系统.这可以切断污染和解决他们现在面临的交通问题.现在我们得那这种态度带到北美.
  我想大家会认可他们所作的努力.从教育到工业领域,我曾经和不少中国人一起工作过.中国人得强项是什么?这就是一个活生生的列子,中国人从别人哪里获得好的想法然后就开始干活.只要中国那种打压创造力的文化不改变,那他们永远只能跟在工业国家的屁股后面跑.中国产生不了好的创意,他们只能从国外进口这些创意.中国想要统治世界经济,但现在看来还是太遥远了.中国和美国是一种共存的关系,这让中国得到贸易顺差,但这没啥用.因为这都是以美国债券的形式,这就意味着如果他们哪天要来讨债,那他们自己的经济也会被波及.还有就是,在数学和科学领域很多都是中国人,但是我还不认识任何一个从事原创工作的中国人.他们干得不错,但是说到最后,真正从事创作工作的不是欧洲人就是波斯人.
  回复
  Do believe me, Chinese will do a lot of creative work in the coming days. Its education has laid very solid foundation for this. I think creativity is inborn. Few people with inborn capability of innovation, plus the education, it works then.
  
  No one could predict China can reach todays pace 10 or 20 years ago, but China now reaches. Imagine 10 -20 years later, everything is possible.
  
  The Chinese you can see and meet in USA or Canada are not the Chinese in China. Chinese living in west countries have largely lagged much behind after their school mates and peers who are still in China now. You may ask some for answers.
  相信我,今后中国人会越来越多的从事创新工作.他们的教育基础非常的扎实.我认为创造力是天生的,但是天才毕竟是少数的,得结合后期教育才行.10或者20年前没人能预测到中国今天的速度,但是今天中国确做到,再想想10年20年以后,谁知道会发生什么?什么都有可能.
  你在美国或者加拿大看到的中国人和中国本土的人是有区别的.生活在西方国家的中国人和他们在本土的同胞比起来落后太多了,你不信可以随便去问.

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作者:tvenana 回复日期:2010-12-05 14:33:46    

  vascopyjama 03:11 AM on 10/31/2010
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  Sadly it will be a long time before we see anything like that.
  悲哀,我们要过很长时间才能在这里见到这个.
  
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  mike72 12:26 AM on 11/01/2010
  62 Fans
  I feel the same. I look around America and watch what is going on in DC and in the cable news. My only reaction is, "Thank heaven that there is still China that keeps the human spirits moving forward!"
  
  "Faster, HIgher, Stronger" is the Olympic slogan for human endeavor and spirit . China did not just host a successful Olympic Games, but it actually work hard to achieve such lofty Olympic goals at every level of their society.
  
  With all its shortcoming, China WILL BE the beacon of hope for humanity, and it will be a positive impact on US to get it snapped out of self endulgence and self instituted ridicules.
  
  Hope is in the hard work. China has both.
  我也这样觉得。我看了看美国的新闻,我唯一的想法就是,“谢天谢地,还有中国让人类精神继续向前发展!”
  “更快,更高,更强”,是奥林匹克对人类努力和精神的口号。中国不仅仅成功举办了奥林匹克,他们还努力把这种高标准的奥林匹克目标运用于社会各个方面。
  
  虽有短点,中国会成为人类希望的灯塔,会对美国有积极的影响,把美国从自我放纵和自嘲中解救出来。希望存于艰苦的努力,中国两方面都有(希望和努力)
  
  ArgumentumAdPopulum 12:02 PM on 11/01/2010
  1 Fans
  A comment made by me is missing, Did the moderator delete it? and I havent receive any notices, is there some kind of censorship in HP?
  我的一条评论不见了,版主删了吗?我没有收到任何通知,HP有审核吗?
  
  mike72 02:03 PM on 11/01/2010
  62 Fans
  They will filter your post out if your post contains some sensative word. I would suggest you to add * or . or ( or ) to your sensative words to bypass the filter. I dont know the exact words but try and error.
  
  Good luck.
  如果你发表的包含一些敏感的字眼,他们会过滤的。我建议你对敏感字眼加上*或者.或者()来绕开过滤。我不知道具体是什么字,但试一下纠正。
  
  好运

作者:tvenana 回复日期:2010-12-05 14:34:59    

  sino-boy 07:37 AM on 11/03/2010
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  the price for the high speed train (4 hrs) is too expensive, almost 500 RMB yuans for the entire trip,
  the normal speed train (11 hrs) only cost 150 RMB yuans,
  the airline between wuhan and guangzhou is about 1000 RMB yuans, but sometimes the price can be as low as 300 RMB yuans.
  china is growing fast, but USA is still far beyond china
  take it easy, there is a long way before china to go yet.
  高铁的价格太高了,全程要500元,常速的才150元,武汉到广州的飞机大约1000元,有时还能便宜到300元。中国发展得很快,但美国还是超过中国不少。放轻松点啦,中国还有很长的路要走


作者:tvenana 回复日期:2010-12-05 14:46:09    

  ConservativeWorld 09:38 PM on 10/29/2010
  268 Fans
  We dont need high speed trains. We do need engineers and entreprenuers and job producers.
  我们不需要高铁,我们需要的是工程师、企业家和工作提供者。
  
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  GuyCybershy 11:15 PM on 10/29/2010
  274 Fans
  Youre right what we need are bigger bombs, tougher soldiers and a few more wars. Thats what made America great!
  说得对,我们需要的是更大的炮弹,更强硬的军队,和更多的战争。是这些让美国伟大!
  
  Bhokara 04:14 PM on 10/30/2010
  260 Fans
  Right! Well keep using 5,000 pounds cars using fossil fuels to haul our 200-pound butts around forever! And in 50 years when the petroleum runs out, the Chinese will be going 250 miles an hour, and well be walking.
  对,我们将永远使用5000英磅,耗油200磅的汽车!50年后,石油用完了,中国人(火车)一小时只能走250米,而我们会步行。


作者:tvenana 回复日期:2010-12-05 14:52:39    

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  Palaver 10:45 AM on 10/28/2010
  72 Fans
  Were more into airplanes, unfortunat ely. Our military industrial complex doesnt produce much trains. If high speed rail cars could kill people and invade resource rich countries, wed build them for sure...
  我们在飞机上更先进,不幸的是,我们的军工不怎么生产火车,如果高铁汽车能杀人和掠夺资源丰富的国家的话,我们肯定也会建造....

作者:tvenana 回复日期:2010-12-05 15:00:21    

  duxguts 01:49 PM on 10/27/2010
  71 Fans
  We may no have any high speed trains but we do have a very large military.
  我们可能没有高铁,但我们有很强大的军队。
  
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  netzwerg 02:10 PM on 10/27/2010
  125 FansFollow
  Congratulations for a very large military and your taxes well invested for future generation s.
  Maybe they can go on vacation in Afghanista n oder Iraq some day.
  
  庆祝我们有很强大的军队,然后你交的税就会很好地被投资于后代。或许他们将来某一天可以去阿富汗和伊拉克度假。

作者:tvenana 回复日期:2010-12-05 15:07:17    

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  Amalek 09:40 AM on 10/27/2010
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  China gets high speed rail between Beijing and Shanghai. For the same money we got a dozen B-2 bombers.
  
  But the bombers look just as cool as the train.
  中国在北京和上海间建造高铁,用同样多的钱,我们弄了一打的B-2轰炸机。
  但轰炸机跟那些火车看起来一样酷哦。

作者:tvenana 回复日期:2010-12-05 15:27:20    

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  Red Herring 09:39 AM on 10/27/2010
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  So with the US dysfunctio nal system you have Amtrack. The Chinese prefer to move on ahead of their time.Thats why they have the most modern and efficient transporta tion system in the world. Thats why they were able to move 400 million people out of poverty in the past ten years.
  
  On the other hand, you have a cacaphony of screaming idiots, who`s only talent is getting elected, and driving the country into the Middle Ages and Bankruptsy . While the Chinese moved 400 millions out of poverty your vaunted Capitalist System has moved 40 millions into poverty.
  
  For me I will take competant leaders, in a competant system, and good government over what the Average American has to put up with, any day. In China every single one of those Masters of The Universe that destroyed the American Economy would already have been tried in court and shot. But in America, you give them 3 trillion dollars and let them continue to destroy the country. Along with that, you allow them to pay themselves billions in bonuses while doing it. Just who are the dumbest people on the planet here? I`ll give you a hint, it ain`t the Chinese.
  所以,美国蹩脚的制度使得我们有了水陆两用车。中国人更喜欢走在时代前面,这就是为什么他们有世界上最现代和有效的运输系统,这就是为什么他们能够让4亿人在过去10年脱贫。
  另外一方面,我们有尖叫叽喳的白痴,对选举,他们就是天才,然后把国家弄到中世纪和破产。中国人让4亿人脱贫,这吹牛的资本主义制度却把4000万人弄到贫穷。
  我会想要胜任的领导,在一个好的制度下,好的政府,而不是美国人不得不容忍的这个。在中国,任何一个毁了中国经济的“精英”会被送进法庭和枪决。但在美国,你将会给他们3万亿,让他们继续毁了这个国家,而且,你还会允许他们因这个而自己给自己发奖金。这世界上最没脑的人是谁?我会给你个提示,不是中国人。

作者:tvenana 回复日期:2010-12-05 16:20:46    

  knightoftheroundtable 04:51 PM on 10/26/2010
  741 Fans
  We here in America are deteriorating fast. No longer number 1 in anything except invading sovereign countries. We boast about how in will be years before any other country can catch up to us militarily . Actually other countries are not concerned with catching up to us militarily , they are moving ahead on making life better for its citizens. We need to elect people that will protect the constituti on, and I am not talking T baggers.
  我们美国衰落得好快,不再在各个领域领先了,除了侵略别的国家之外。我们吹牛说别的国家在军事上在几年才能赶上我们,其实,别的国家根本就不关心在军事上赶上我们,他们做让他们人民生活变得更好的事。我们需要选举些能保护我们基础设施的人来,当然我不是在说茶党。
  
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  Big0725 04:58 PM on 10/26/2010
  194 Fans
  I heard today that the US has dropped out of the top 20 of the least corrupt government s in the world.
  我今天听说美国跌出世界上清廉政府排名前20。
  
  HisPetGoat 05:13 PM on 10/26/2010
  566 Fans
  Near the end, we will have nothing but a rusting nuclear arsenal we will rely upon to extract tribute from the rest of the world.
  临近最后,我们将什么都没有,除了生锈的核武军工厂,我们可以用来从世界榨取贡品

作者:tvenana 回复日期:2010-12-05 16:36:52    

  cabrobst 05:57 PM on 10/26/2010
  39 FansFollow
  China has bullet trains meanwhile we cant built an ordinary train tunnel in NJ. Thank you Republican s for driving us back to the stone age.
  中国有子弹火车,而我们此时却不能在NJ建一条正常的火车隧道,谢谢共和党人,把我们送回了石器时代

作者:换个马甲好难 回复日期:2010-12-05 16:38:47    

  If the trains are Chinese made, I wont ride on them,since they make junk.
  如果这是中国造的,我不会搭乘,因为他们造的都是垃圾。
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  If you ever get a chance to travel in those trains, you will realize how dumb u r for these comments. I have traveled in those trains so I know how good it is. Stop this stupid American ignorance. Bye the way, I am not a Chinese in any of the ways..如果你有一个机会搭乘这些火车的话,你会意识到你的这些评论有多愚蠢。我曾经搭乘过,所以我知道它们有多棒。停止这种愚蠢的美国式轻视吧,顺便说,我绝对不是中国人。
  You shouldnt have typed on a Chinese make keyboard either..那你也不应该在一个中国产的键盘上面打字。。。。
  I dont think you have money to travel that far, so stay in your town..我不认为你会有钱去旅游到那么远的地方,所以你就继续呆着吧。
  If you visit San Francisco in the next few years, dont drive across the Bay Bridge because it is being built using structures assembled in China..如果你以后会造访旧金山的话,请不要穿过海湾大桥,因为它是在中国组装起来的(随便说这个评论的作者的头像是一个典型的中国古人,可爱)  

作者:CfremontA 回复日期:2010-12-06 04:39:47    

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   usfreezer
  hey, I just watched an "Unstoppable" yesterday. Hope it will not happen in China with this train. Hope they pulled all the "security stops" to make it absolutely safe and manageable. But its safe to bet that they did, otherwise firing squads are always ready!!
  Pretty soon China wont even be able to see America in its rear view mirror.... sad for America.
  嘿,我昨儿刚看了<势不可挡>.希望中国的或者不会出那种事故.希望他们拔了所有的"安全停止"牌子来确保火车的安全性和可控性(指电影情节)但我打赌他们做了,没有的话,死刑执行小队可是一直等着呢(意指中国会枪毙办事不力的官员)
  很快,中国会在他的后视镜里看到美国了...悲剧的美国
  =====================================================================
  Yaa the time comes for the suppressed and under privileged people, we the westerners rule and suck their blood lot much, Europeans left Asia 60 years before, in this small time they achieved lot, If Europeans didnt go there, Asians would be the leaders in all field. Ok we will definitely see their progress.......
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  耶,那些被压迫和剥削的人民的时代来临了,我们这些西方人曾统治他们,大量吸他们的血,欧洲人离开了亚洲60年,在这一小段时间内他们有很多成就.如果欧洲人没去亚洲,那些亚洲人将会是各行各业的领袖.好吧,我们绝对马上要看到他们的进展

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发表于 2010-12-6 11:57 | 显示全部楼层
  Unfortunately, supply of talented individuals and good families from rest of the world to America is down to trickle now. In fact many are planning to return.
  
  The only people now try to enter America are crazies from middle-east and losers from around the world.
  
  It is difficult for America to build something spectacular given shortage of talent.
  ========================================不幸的是,供应给美国的来自世界各地的有着良好教育的人已经开始慢慢减少了,实际上他们其中很多人已经计划回流了。
  现在还企图加入美国的只有来自中东的那些疯狂分子和来自全世界各地的loser。[/b]  美国在缺少人才的情况下已经很难有所作为
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发表于 2010-12-6 12:04 | 显示全部楼层
清醒的人还是不少的!
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发表于 2010-12-6 13:18 | 显示全部楼层
看来,美国人对自己国家的认识还是很清醒的。不知道国内的那些整天鼓吹“紫油皿煮”的JY们看了会有啥表情。
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发表于 2010-12-6 13:19 | 显示全部楼层
美国人自身的幻灭感好强啊

可怜这里还有一大批正对他们无限向往的同志……
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 楼主| 发表于 2010-12-6 13:40 | 显示全部楼层
美国给我的感觉也是这样的
很少听到在科技什么方面美国有什么突出建树\
或是在建筑有什么项大工程的
只是听到哪个国家又从美国买了多少亿武器装备
或是空中飞机和又生产出第几代战机等

而我们中国在科技方面都不断有突破
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发表于 2010-12-6 14:17 | 显示全部楼层
回复 7# kuangwenhao


  其实美国的科技发达,这不是空话,在军事方面,他们确实很大力去搞。前段时间,不是才听说,要用激光的吗。
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发表于 2010-12-6 15:17 | 显示全部楼层
我现在只关心别人在家门口放炮,也许是我目光短浅,但是眼下怎么办呢
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发表于 2010-12-6 15:25 | 显示全部楼层
印象中美帝的工业只剩下军工很NB了...
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发表于 2010-12-6 15:26 | 显示全部楼层
其实很多人都只看到了别人好的地方,咱们的人这样他们的也一样
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发表于 2010-12-6 15:41 | 显示全部楼层
美国现在已经老了,而中国现在还年轻
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发表于 2010-12-6 18:06 | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 rongjingji 于 2010-12-6 18:12 编辑

那是因为他们看不到自己的制度已经过时了
他们有人反省过民主和选举吗?
没有就永远不会有改变
我希望有一天当中国跑不动的时候
要勇于反省自我,不要被任何定式所束缚
在制度上创新,制度的好坏只有国家强大人民富裕的标准
哪怕是专制做到这2点依然是好制度,
专制的效率,随机民主的公平和在战乱、危机时刻独裁的果决
任何一种制度都有他的价值,它们是通向强大和富裕的工具。

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发表于 2010-12-6 18:16 | 显示全部楼层
物极必反盛者必衰,在强大的国家也逃不出这个规律
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发表于 2010-12-6 18:38 | 显示全部楼层
比较下两个国家的网民吧

在美国,人人都为中国取得的成就感到高兴
在中国,人人都咒骂中国改进了出行方式
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发表于 2010-12-6 18:39 | 显示全部楼层
比较下两个国家的网民吧

在美国,人人都为中国取得的成就感到高兴
在中国,人人都咒骂中国改进了出行方式
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发表于 2010-12-6 19:19 | 显示全部楼层
两边都有些极端,其实看待问题应该全面客观,高铁也不是越快越好,还有运营成本也是很高的。
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发表于 2010-12-6 19:28 | 显示全部楼层
感觉美国不愧是地球最霸~~~

能称霸这么久还是有他自己道理的,说美国人都是两眼长在头顶上...都说大白话....

我们的路注定艰辛。。。
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发表于 2010-12-6 21:58 | 显示全部楼层
Yeah, thats the train I want to ride on...a scary fast train built by the same country that cant even make safe toys and dog food. lol
  yeah,这就是我想要的火车。。。。。一个由连安全的玩具和食物都造不出来的国家造的提心吊胆的高速火车。笑  
  回复有意思。。。
  They built those toys for American not for their people
  玩具他们是给美国人造的,又不是给他们自己造的
----------这个回复最有喜感
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发表于 2010-12-6 22:31 | 显示全部楼层
 A comment made by me is missing, Did the moderator delete it? and I havent receive any notices, is there some kind of censorship in HP?
  我的一条评论不见了,版主删了吗?我没有收到任何通知,HP有审核吗?
  
  mike72 02:03 PM on 11/01/2010
  62 Fans
  They will filter your post out if your post contains some sensative word. I would suggest you to add * or . or ( or ) to your sensative words to bypass the filter. I dont know the exact words but try and error.
  
  Good luck.
  如果你发表的包含一些敏感的字眼,他们会过滤的。我建议你对敏感字眼加上*或者.或者()来绕开过滤。我不知道具体是什么字,但试一下纠正。
  
  好运


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