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注：本文讨论中出现的所有DOTA战队均为中国战队，帖子时间为本月14日，本贴内所有评论均已翻译。
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Mr.YaphetS (澳大利亚)
Due to the interview with 820,incluing Panda and iGs might reshuffle
detail
http://dota.sgamer.com/201111/video-detail-17105.html
Maybe DK might reshuffle ><
从820的采访可以得知，包括Panda和IGs在内的各队都可能面临洗牌。
详细请看下面的链接： http://dota.sga m er.com/201111/video-detail-17105.html
也许DK也会被重新洗牌。9527 （中国）
thats only what 820 guess
这些只是820的猜测。
gLhF.Revere （美国）
My hope, which will not be fulfilled, is that ZSMJ will go to iG.Y..
尽管可能性很小，我还是希望让ZSMJ去IG.Y战队··
anti-hero （澳大利亚）
hope LGD and EHOME are reshuffled, others not so much
只希望LGD和EHOME可以重新洗牌，其他的不关心。
Wilco （美国）
Man, I thought China was stable.
伙计，我还以为中国很稳定呢。
ThisiswiLL （波兰）
Please DK..not now...
I need you to wins gosubet...
拜托DK，别洗牌啊··至少现在别啊··
我还要靠你帮我赢菠菜呢··
zmuffinman （澳大利亚）
All the teams should stick together and keep training. EHOME is just ....
Well, EHOME is pretty much making the move to Dota 2. Enough said.
所有这些队伍都应该站在一起，保持训练。EHOME真是····
好吧，EHOME现在在向DOTA2发展，说的够多了。
CtChocula （加拿大）
I thought Wang Sicong helped to institute something like a regulatory body or at least a gentleman's agreement that enforces a transfer fee to be paid to lessen the chance of transfers happening and stabilize the scene. Any news about that?
我认为王思聪帮助建立了一些类似监管体制或者至少是君子协议的东西，以此来督促转会费的支付，并减少转会可能，稳定局面。有没有关于这些的新闻？
MrBlue （美国）
Its a guess from 820. Not a solid thing that the reshuffle will happen.
这是820的猜测，并不是说就一定会洗牌
Mr.YaphetS （澳大利亚）
Okay...Lets say might be reshuffle...
好吧，那我们就说有可能洗牌···
M.i.r.o.t.i.c （美国）
Everyday I'm shuffling ┏(-_-)┛┗(-_- )┓┗(-_-)┛┏(-_-)┓
我每天都在洗牌，洗洗洗~┏(-_-)┛┗(-_- )┓┗(-_-)┛┏(-_-)┓
RazorEdge （澳大利亚）
things are pretty messy already
事情变得越来越纠结了。
Rwunlim （中国）
引用“尽管可能性很小，我还是希望让ZSMJ去IG.Y战队··”
that's impossible..ZSMJ will never go to IG.Y because his character
那不可能，出于他的性格，ZSMJ绝对不会去IG.Y的。
78-9 （其他）
x! best solo mid of 2010 must get a proper team
X！！2010年最好的中单选手必须有个合适的队伍。
Brettis （澳大利亚）
EHOME just don't put in the amount of money required to pick up top tier players anymore. They need to recruit 2 decent pub players and rebuild from there, X!! 357 and Lanm are good players. The other two are terrible. In all honestly dropping crystal was a retarded move.
It's just speculation on 820's part but I also think it's quite likely that after SMM we will see another Chinese reshuffle, except I think DK and WE will stay the same without a doubt. LGD, the two iG's and PanDa I think will see big changes, along with lower tier teams like Tyloo etc. Of course this is just my own speculation, you don't have to agree with it.
EHOME只是不再花钱购买顶级选手了。他们需要补充2个路人选手，再进行重建。X！！，357和lanm都是优秀的选手，另2个也很厉害。总之，买椟还珠是个愚蠢的举动。
对820 来说，这只是他的看法。但是我也认为在SMM之后我们很有可能会看到又一次中国队伍的洗牌，除了DK和WE会毫无疑问地没有变化外，我认为LGD,两支IG，和Panda都会发生大的变化。一些低级别队伍就像Tyloo等等也会随之受到影响。当然这只是我的看法，你们不必同意我。
LxS.JaphetS （菲律宾）
If EHOME will reshuffle their players they should go for PIS
如果EHOME洗牌的话，他们应该引入PIS
OuchDamage （菲律宾）
EHOME doesn't need PIS. why get PIS when you already have X!!?
EHOME should get a BURNING-ZSMJ-ZHOU-HAO-SEAKING-LIKE carry and maybe get another support. If Hao went to EHOME and 820 din't retired maybe things would have ended differently this year.
EHOME不需要PIS，为什么在有了X！！之后还要引进PIS？
EHOME应该引进类似BURNING，ZSMJ，ZHOU，HAO，SEAKING之类的carry，或者是再引入个辅助。如果HAO去EHOME了，820又没退役的话，那今年的结局也许就不一样了。
inertiater （印度）
DK please dont shuffle now..
After SMM Do what u want..
DK请别现在洗牌···
SMM之后，随便你怎么干···
alexander09 （越南）
DK is not a poor team with small budget... Remember they were the first one to build a DREAM team with PIS and Burning and Ksssss... Maybe LGD and EHOME and TYLOO and the two IG need to reshuffle to stand a chance against DK
DK是个穷队，没啥预算···但是请记住他们是第一支建立了有PIS，Burning和Kssss梦幻阵容的队伍···也许LGD，EHOME还有TYLOO和其他2支IG需要重新洗牌来对抗DK。
jeckcr （中国）
DK no need to change， I think 820 means IGs and LGD
DK不需要改变，我想820指的是IGS和LGD
ngazi （美国）
IGY won't reshuffle even though I wish they did.
IG.Y不会洗牌的，虽然我希望他们这么干
qweasd_zxc （印尼）
DK is on the top of gosu rank
i hope it will stay that way
> . <
DK是gosu上排第一的队伍
我希望它能一直保持 > . <
tampax （哈萨克斯坦）
it is impossible!
chinese dota scene is stablest!
不可能！
中国DOTA界是最稳定的！
crystaLyne (印尼)
ehome tyloo and lgd must reshuffle
EHOME,TYLOO和LGD必须洗牌。
iii. （菲律宾）
Panda is a solid they just need to master other heroes..
Panda's pick is so predictable
Panda基础很坚实，他们只是需要战胜别人··
Panda的选择可以预见。
Azarkon （美国）
Unless there are personal issues between players that we don't know about, re-shuffling won't fix the problems with most of the teams in question. IG.Y might benefit somewhat from one replacement, because they have one too many specialized support players, but IG.Z and Panda do not need to reshuffle.
What they need, instead, is a lot more professional practice and hard work. If a player doesn't want to put in the time necessary - sure, let him go. But with Panda I heard that most of their practice is basically playing pubs. I'm sorry but that's not a very good training regimen.
Then look at IG.Z. Burning and Yueru are great, sure, but Zhou and 430 were no less great in the days of CCM. 430 used to be best mid solo in China circa early 2011 - what happened to him? Same with Zhou - what happened to him?
And the supports for IG.Z? I mean, Awoke? Faith? These guys used to be the force behind Tyloo's early 2011 run and are in no lack of talent. And if you believe that SanSheng <<< Zippo I'm going to smack you.
TBH, I think team managers in China need to look at DK's success a little more carefully. Yeah, recruiting Yueru and Longdd into the team helped. But where was Longdd last year? He was considered garbage until he started really practicing again, and it took quite a while before he became good. Yueru, on the other hand, is one of those new talents that Panda is chock full of, and which they just need to develop.
On the other hand, remember what DK was at the beginning of 2011, when it was a "dream team" with YaphetS, Burning, and KingJ? All that talent did nothing for DK.
But you know what did? Well, why not listen to the players themselves? They said it best: motivation and a strict training regimen.
除非选手间有我们所不知的个人争端，重新洗牌不会解决大多数队伍的问题。IG.Y也许会懂一次换人中得到一些好处，因为他们有太多专业的辅助了，但是IG.Z和Panda不需要重新洗牌。
取而代之，他们需要的是更多专业的训练和努力。如果选手自己不上心，那就让他滚吧。但是我听说Panda大多数的训练都是在网吧打的，我觉得这不是很好的训练政策。
然后看看IG.Z，Burning 和 Yueru当然很优秀，但是Zhou和430也不比他们在CCM的时候差。430曾经是中国2011年初前后最好的中单选手，他到底怎么了？Zhou也是，到底怎么了？
然后IG.Z的辅助们，我的意思是Awoke和Faith，到底怎么了？他们曾经是Tyloo 2011年初的支柱，他们并不缺少天分。还有，如果他们认为Zippo比SanSheng要好，那我真想抽他们。
老实说，我认为中国的老板们应该看看DK的成功，好好学习一下。是的，吸收Yueru 和Longdd入队是有帮助。但是Longdd去年干嘛去了？他在重新开始训练之前被认为是团队的包袱。他重新进入状态又用了好长一段时间。另一方面，Yueru是Panda随处可见的新人天才之一，他们只需要再进一步就可以了。
还有，记得DK在2011年初的时候是什么样的么？那时候它是一支有着YaphetS, Burning和 KingJ的梦之队，所有的天才都没帮DK干过一点事。
你们觉得应该怎么着？好吧，为什么不听听选手们的想法呢？他们说的很好：动力和严格的训练政策。
Infoboy （越南）
i want DK stable to win SMM .......................
我就想让DK稳稳当当地赢个SMM····
elfonzi （美国）
why put dk in there, why would they reshuffle when they are by far the best team with a full hero pool.
为什么把DK也放进去，为什么他们在手下强手如林的时候还去重新洗牌？
theSkydragon （美国）
pgg please go to china and join DK so you could disband another team please
PGG请去中国加入DK吧，这样你就又能解散一支队伍了，求你了··
MrBaller （丹麦）
no reshuffle on IGs=dk dominating 2k12
IGs不洗牌=DK统治2012年
MrJams （菲律宾）
I believe IG.Z need some time to gel as a team.
They are all individually skilled, but sometimes they don't play as a team
我相信IG.Z需要一些时间去稳定队伍。
他们单个来看都是高手，但是有时候他们需要团队合作。
Rufio- （菲律宾）
Amidst all of the chinese reshuffling, it still breaks my heart to see ex-CCM fail most.
Having the best duo of carry(zhou) and semi-carry(430) and with the solid support of teammate sansheng and former nemesis ex-tyloo (awoke,faith) giving mediocre performances.
And #29 is right,no disrespect but ZSMJ is that kind of player that's why it's impossible for him to join IG.Y
DK is unstoppable atm, I hope some team faces up to them like CCM vs TYLOO in the early half of 2011.
No need for reshuffles right now although EHOME is the only team that i think of that desperately needs it :)
在所有中国队伍的洗牌中，我最伤心的还是看到前CCM战队输掉比赛
拥有最好的carry（zhou）和半carry（430）和他们坚定的辅助队友sansheng却打不过前tyloo战队。
GalingAtTalino（前面最长的那个回复）说的对，不是不尊重ZSMJ，但是他就是那种选手，所以他不会加入IG.Y
DK已经无人能挡，我希望一些队伍可以对抗他们，就像2011年上半年的CCM和tyloo一样。
对EHOME来说目前用不着急着洗牌，尽管它是我认为目前来说最需要洗牌的一支队伍~
dhOzx2 （菲律宾）
i want ZSMJ, X!!, 357 and 2 solid players on 1 team, please !!!
我想让ZSMJ，X！！，357和另外2个稳定的选手同在一队，拜托！！！
ZeSeMeJe （中国）
best solo mid is not X...
YaphetS is the best solo mid
前面的那谁，最好的中单选手不是X！！
是YaphetSjNdee- （菲律宾）
he only won that award bcos of his huge fansclub. Skillwise X!! 2010 = Super 2011
他只是被他的粉丝捧上去的，技术上来说2010年是X!!,2011年是super
MrBaller （丹麦）
early 2011 430>both of them
2011年初的430完爆他们俩
tengda （中国）
I think Dai is still the best soloer. I still remember how Dai's lion raped lightofheaven's storm solo mid in eswc 2010, just like a pro rape a noob in a pub game.
我认为dai仍然是最好的中单，我还记得在ESWC2010的时候他的lion中单时是怎么狂艹光哥的蓝猫的，就好像在专业选手在路人局里狂虐菜鸟。
Rufio- （菲律宾）
early 2011 430 FTW! but now
好吧2011年初是430，那现在呢？
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