shenholmes
发表于 2009-10-15 16:54
鉴史！
只要是在中国贩毒,不管有无精神病,都应该是没有任何权利终身.
如果此次不能执行死刑,那么今后向中国贩毒的将均为精神病人!
为了中国人的生命安全,请国家维护国家的尊严!
对一个毒贩子仁慈就是侵犯千万本国 ...
中国平凡人 发表于 2009-10-13 19:47 http://bbs.m4.cn/images/common/back.gif
+1
的确是，就算是神经病，也应该枪毙。
andy007
发表于 2009-10-15 17:42
英国佬还在学他们强盗祖宗，妄想在中国土地上做“合法”鸦片生意。
晴川历历
发表于 2009-10-15 18:37
广州虎门林则徐纪念碑前枪毙
中华守望者 发表于 2009-10-15 09:49 http://bbs.m4.cn/images/common/back.gif
好主意！俺保证去观望！
渔音谦谦
发表于 2009-10-15 22:10
本帖最后由 渔音谦谦 于 2009-10-15 22:24 编辑
每日邮报网站上的一些读者评论（第三辑）
接第八页顶楼 Rhapsody
Why have all people who get caught smugging drugs got some get out clause.
I know of not one who has stood up and said yes I am guilty.
Are there no people in this world who deliberately set out to smuggle drugs?
为什么因走私毒品被抓的犯罪分子会得到一些逃避条款的保护呢？我所知道的人中没有一个有勇气站起来，承认自己有罪的。难道这世上就没有人故意走私毒品吗？
- Jon, Teesside, 11/10/2009 22:50
The Chinese are not unreasonable people; they may not see things quite the way westerners do, but there are reasons for that.
Let us hope, that in the spirit of furthering international understanding between East and West cultures, the Chinese people are willing to see this issue from many viewpoints and allow the West to determine appropriate punishment in this particular case.
中国人并不是不讲理的：他们不会用西方人的眼光去看待事物，这样子做事有理由的。
让我们期待，本着互相理解东西方文化的精神，中国人今后从更多的角度考虑问题，也会让西方人在这一类特别事件中决定最后的恰当的处罚方式。
- Chris, Cambs, UK, 11/10/2009 22:51
the Chinese don't give a fig for our opinions... if they spare him, it will be for political reasons, not humanitarian ones...
中国人不会在意我们的意见……
如果中国人宽恕了他，不会是因为人道主义考虑，而是因为政治原因。
- Paul Cooke, Gloucester England, 11/10/2009 22:56
This is a very nice gesture on Mr Fry's part, but the bottom line is that Mr Shaikh was caught red handed and ought to suffer the penalty imposed by his captors.
Mr Shaikh is an intelligent man by all accounts and would have known the risks involved regardless of his mental state. Few people would agree with a public execution of a drug smuggler, but who are we, including Mr Fry to interfere in the politics of a major state such as China?
Fry先生的姿态非常好，但是归根结底Shaikh先生被认定是携带了毒品的罪犯，而且被严厉惩罚。
Shaikh先生是一个非常智慧的人，以他的精神状态应该可以明白他那样做可能带来的危险。虽然很少人会同意对一个毒品走私犯执行公开的死刑，但是我们是什么人？——包括Fry先生在内——居然要掺和一个像中国这样大国的政治事务当中去呢？
- P. Owen, Llandudno UK, 11/10/2009 23:02
What rubbish. A depressive (AKA. bipolar disorder) is fully aware of what he/she is doing in this case.
heroine = death and he had loads of it. Just another criminal looking for sympathy for getting caught.
真是胡扯！他现在所做的一切令人失望透顶！
海洛因=死亡，而且他携带了。Fry先生的作为是为了给逮捕寻求同情的另一场犯罪。
- R McIntosh, Melbourne, Australia, 11/10/2009 23:13
Can't agree with the death penalty for any crime. Maybe I'm alone in this view but there's never justification for executing someone, no matter how severe the crime.
不能死刑，无论针对何种犯罪。也许我是唯一持这种观点的人，但是永远没人可以说出杀死一个人正当理由，无论他犯下了多严重的罪行。
- Benny Austwick, Cardiff, Wales, 11/10/2009 23:15
first lets get this strait,bipolar disorder is just a fancy name for depression...
让我们相互沟通这次的困难，
其实说的好听是双相型障碍，说的难听点就是抑郁……
- g.taylor, swansea wales, 11/10/2009 15:24
What an ignorant comment.
多么无知的评论啊！
- caddyb, UK, 11/10/2009 23:21
i totally agree with the fact he should be punished and not use his mental health to try avoid punishment, what he as done is very wrong and he deserves everything he gets but your comment offends me when you say bipolar is another word for depression, with a comment like that im guessing your not a psychiatrist, bipolar is much worse than depression so i think you should learn about illnesses before you throw around comments on things your clearly ignorant about.
To g.taylor:
我基本同意惩罚他，而且不能因为他的心理疾病减轻或者取消。他犯下了严重的错误，他应该接受判罚。引起我注意的是你说的双相型障碍就是抑郁症，我觉得你应该不是一位精神科专家，双相型障碍比抑郁症要严重的多。我认为你要对一件事情表达不满，并且表达自己观点之前，最起码要好好研究一下病例学……
- jax, leeds uk, 11/10/2009 23:21
Fry, this man should be left to fry in his own stew, drugs kill en-mass so let the chinese do what they have to do in order to stop a mass murderer.
Fry,这个人应该在锅子里把自己煎了，毒品害死了太多人。所以就让中国人按照他们的规矩处理，来阻止这些害人者。
- john lees, hamilton ontario, canada, 11/10/2009 23:21
Bipolar disorder is the American terminology for manic depression, a far cry from simple depression.
双相型障碍是美国学界对狂躁型抑郁的术语，和简单的抑郁很大的差别。
- Mike B, London, 11/10/2009 23:31
I am sorry but anybody caught dealing or carrying drugs should have the death penalty. Drugs cause nothing but heart ache and trouble. They all say Oh we didnt know about it.
我感到抱歉，但是所以从事毒品贸易和走私的人都将判处死刑。毒品带来的只有心痛和麻烦。这些人被抓的时候都只会说：“哦。我什么都不知道。”
- jacqui weemsj, southampton, 11/10/2009 23:33
Depression and Bipolar disorder are two different mental illnesses. Those who have classic depression do not go through the mood swings that include euphoria/mania which are a part of being Bipolar. Both illnesses are devasting to those who suffer from them.
As to those who blame his family for letting him leave the country, we don't know that they were aware of his plans to leave the country.
The problem here is the death penalty. We also know that China has harvested organs for transplant from dissidents/political prisoners.
To g.taloyer:
抑郁症和双相型障碍是两种截然不同的心理疾病。那些典型的抑郁症患者不会经历比如狂喜/癫狂的情绪波动，但是双相型障碍患者会。对于那些患有这两种疾病的人来说，这都是痛苦的。
对于那些瞒着他的家人就允许他出国的人，我们不知道他们是否但有他突然改变行程。问题是现在面对Shaikh的是死刑，我们也知道中国会收集那些反对者或者政治犯的心脏以便于移植手术。
- Meg, Madison, WI, USA, 11/10/2009 23:33
"The former taxi firm boss was arrested after a suitcase he was carrying was allegedly found to contain 4kg of the drug, with a value of £250,000."
A former taxi-firm boss, with NINE POUNDS of heroin in his suitcase? Going to CHINA, of all places, where the penalty for most crimes of this sort is death? How interesting ... Mr. Shaikh he could probably beat this rap on a 'moron' plea - if he could find a suitable advocate, and if said advocate could stop laughing for five minutes..
“（这位）前出租汽车公司老板在他所携带的手提箱声称被发现装有4公斤价值250,000英镑毒品后被捕。”
在一位前出租汽车公司老板的手提箱内发现四公斤海洛因？去中国的任何一个地方，问问多少毒品就可以判处死刑？多么有趣啊……Shaikh这种“白痴”的借口或许可以让他逃过刑法—我是说如果他可以找到一个合适的辩护律师，而且那位辩护律师可以停止对他借口的嘲笑。
- Philip, Bankrupted Britain, 11/10/2009 23:36
According to Reprieve nobody ever knowingly carries drugs. They are all fitted up. Just like Al Qaeda terrorists were looking for work in Afghanistan.
应该缓刑，因为没有人知道他们携带了毒品。他们都中了圈套。就像说基地组织的恐怖分子在阿富汗找工作似的。
- gwilym rhys-jones, marbella spain, 11/10/2009 23:37
This man has been ill for several years with bipolar disorder. It would seem that the past few comments written here are full of ignorance. To be ill with bipolar disorder is not to simply be depressed. People with it fluctuate from being very manic and being very depressed. To be manic means that a person can be very hyperactive and enthusiastic, but not in control, often dellusional, they may do things like spend huge amounts of money, become very promiscuous, or do things which they wouldn't do if they were of sound mind. Of course, this does not necessarily mean that this person is innocent, but if he has been very unwell, it is likely that he did not know what he was doing at the time when he was caught with the drugs. We do not know the full story.
I cannot believe the level of ignorance when it comes to mental illness in this country.
这个人已经患双相型障碍好几年了。上面的几条评论写的可真够蠢的。双相型障碍不是简单的等同于抑郁症。双相型患者在情绪上容易经历从狂喜到狂悲的波动。狂喜说明一个人很夸张和兴奋，而且无法控制，他么也许会疯狂的花钱，变得滥交，或者做些平常清醒的时候不会做的事情。当然，这并不代表Fry是无辜的，但是如果他已经患病好几年，就说明他携带毒品被发现时，可能并不知道他在做些什么。我们不了解事件的全部。
我不敢相信这个国家对心理疾病已经无知到这个地步！
- Ashley Phiip, Einburgh, Scotland., 11/10/2009 23:38
This man is responsible for his actions or his family would not have let him go to China on his own.
He commited the crime.
Now he must take his punishment.
Keep your nose out Fry.
这个人为他所做的一切承担责任，他的家人不应该让他单独前往中国。
他犯罪了，现在他应该接受惩罚。
不要多管闲事！Fry先生。
- stephen john, waterlooville, 11/10/2009 23:40
Bipolar (which incidently g.taylor of Swansea, is most certainly not a fancy name for depression) causes massive highs and lows. During the lows, nothing seems like it will get any better, it is easier to manipulate people in this state as they are often highly passive. Same with mania - a highly dangerous state for many - you WILL do ANYTHING, and you will do it to the extreme. Mania is sometimes accompanied by psychosis - go figure. If you have not experienced the two states then there is absolutely no way you can understand fully how much behavior and judgement is affected.
Law-abiding citizen - by "seriously ill" the artice is obviously referring to Bipolar, which is a serious illness but not a physically-manifested one - of course he could still get to China.
Your comments cleary demonstrate a lack of education on mental health disorders.
双相型障碍（这个是对g.taylor说的：并不等同于抑郁。）会造成人极端的情绪。当处于低潮期时，所以事情貌似都失去了希望，你可以看做这个国家人总是处于很high的情绪中。狂喜也可以如此理解——这是另外一个危险区域——你会去尝试任何事情，而且容易做的极端。狂喜有时是因为精神病引发的——好好想想。如果你从未体会过，你也无法理解这两种疾病的感受和行为。守法的公民们——“严重的疾病”指的就是双相型障碍，虽然不是肉体上的疾病——也不是显而易见的——当然可以去中国。
你的回复显示你缺乏在心理学方面的知识教育。
- Felix, London, UK, 11/10/2009 23:41
People caught smuggling drugs always claim that they had no knowledge of the drugs and that they have been tricked. Usually there is no truth in it.
And having Bipolar disorder doesn't mean that he is not capable of understanding his actions or that he shouldn't be held completely responsible for them.
通常被抓获携带毒品的人都会说他们不知道，他们被骗。这些不值得相信。
即时患有双相型障碍也不能说明他无法理解自己的行为，或者他不能对自己的行为负责。
- Marie, Copenhagen, 11/10/2009 23:45
It seems you can do a crime (such as causing chaos to the USA's defence computers, or be a drugs donkey) and then claim some fancy illness in the hope you can get away with no punishment, these days. This is happening all too often. It seems to fool many who write here supporting criminals, too.
Depression is not a mitigating cause to have any sentence reduced. Don't traffic drugs where the penalty is death by hanging or firing squad ... in fact, don't traffic drugs at all as to do so would make you a murderer.
照这样说来，你可以犯罪后说一些花哨的疾病以此来逃避惩罚。这些天来，这种事情对于我们来说已经习以为常了。那些在这里写着支持犯罪的人就是被他们所愚弄了。
抑郁不是可以减轻判罚的借口。不要走私毒品，因为你们将面临着的是死刑，也许是吊死，或者是烧死……其实，不要走私毒品，不要让你自己成为一个杀人犯。
- Andy, Linc's, 11/10/2009 23:45
What a lot of total and ignorant comments have been made so far. Mental illness is not a bar to having a full and meaningfull life.
Anyone who has suffered from such things as BiPolar disorder knows only too well the effects that occur.
Plese Stephen continue your efforts on behalf of Akmal and ignore the comments of such idiots as noted above.
到目前为止，这里已经累计了多少愚蠢的回复！心理疾病不代表你不可以拥有圆满和有意义的人生。
那些患有双相型障碍的人应该清楚自己的病情对自身有何影响。
请Stephen代表Akmal先生继续你的努力，不要在乎上面那么多白痴的回复！
- James Westerman, Wisbech UK, 11/10/2009 23:55
OK, first off, to all of you who say that Akmal should not have been allowed to travel or even denied a passport need to re-evaluate your comments. Mr Fry admits that he suffers from the same illness and yet there has not been one mention that he should not be allowed to travel.
Secondly, you then need to do your research. Bipolar disorder is not "just" depression, it was formerly known as "manic depression" for good reason. The sufferer can move from moments of abnormally elevated mood where hyperactivity may not be uncommon (that's the manic) to episodes of such blackness that there seems to be no future (that's the depression) with these episodes commonly separated by periods of "normality" (although I'd ask anyone to define normality these days). People suffering from a Bipolar disorder can also suffer the manic and depressive phases at the same time.
Treated with medication, people suffering from Bipolar disorder may be able to lead a life close to normal.
首先，那些说Fry先生不应该被批准出境或者取消护照的人，你们应该好好看看自己的发言。Fry先生承认他患有这个疾病，但是他并没有被阻止出境。
第二，你们应该好好的调查一下，双相型障碍不仅仅是抑郁，而应该是“狂躁型抑郁”。患者可以从狂喜一下跳到到狂悲。那些患有双相型障碍的人也可以同时体会到喜悦和悲哀两种情绪。
靠着药物治疗，双相型障碍患者也许可以过上更加正常的生活。
- Johnny Was, Elsewhere, UK, 11/10/2009 23:55
Whats the alternative for him? A lifetime in a Chinese jail? Personally I agree with the Chinese method of dealing with convicted drug traffickers and for that matter other criminals. Perhaps thats one reason why our crime rates are soaring and our society is falling apart.
他可以做什么选择？一辈子呆在中国的监狱里？个人认同中国处理毒品走私者和其他罪犯的方式。也许这是我们犯罪率不断飙升和社会崩裂的原因之一。
- Bruce, London, 11/10/2009 23:56
Bipolar disorder is a serious mental health problem. People who enter a manic phase may end up behaving in ways that do not reflect their personality when in a more stable phase of their lives.
They often spend large sums of money, running up debts, have grandiose and delusional ideas, cannot sleep, and have inappropriate relationships and sexual liaisons. In short, they are extremely vulnerable.
g.taylor from Swansea, you are speaking from a position of ignorance. Depression and bipolar disorder are not the same thing although aspects of both mental health problems map onto each other. Someone in a 'high phase' can be psychotic, that is, not in their right mind. They are not legally responsible for their actions.
As a psychologist who has worked with people with bipolar disorder I can tell you that many of them are deeply ashamed, guilt ridden and traumatised over the effects of their behaviour.
Good luck to this man and Stephen Fry's campaign.
双相型障碍是一种严重的精神疾病。进入精神狂躁阶段的人，其行为举止发展到最后可能变得和其正常时的性格相悖。
患有双相型障碍的人会疯狂花钱，债台高筑。他们有时会沾沾自喜，喜欢妄想，失眠，性生活放荡。简而言之，这群人十分脆弱。
来自Swansea的g.taylor你这样说其实很无知。尽管抑郁症和双相型障碍症这两种精神健康疾病相互之间都有反映，但是两者并不能等同。有些人可能会精神错乱。他们对自己的行为不负法律责任。
作为一名从事治疗双相型障碍的心理学家，我可以告诉你们，这些患者中的很多人都深感羞愧，因自己的行为而深受创伤。希望这些患者好运，也祝愿斯蒂芬的活动发展顺利。
- B.D.J, Bristol, 11/10/2009 23:57
鬼雄
发表于 2009-10-16 11:00
this does not necessarily mean that this person is innocent, but if he has been very unwell, it is likely that he did not know what he was doing at the time when he was caught with the drugs. We do not know the full story.
这并不代表Fry是无辜的，但是如果他已经患病好几年，就说明他携带毒品被发现时，可能并不知道他在做些什么。我们不了解事件的全部。
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这里的“this person”并非指弗莱，而是说阿克马尔沙伊克。
OK, first off, to all of you who say that Akmal should not have been allowed to travel or even denied a passport need to re-evaluate your comments.
首先，那些说Fry先生不应该被批准出境或者取消护照的人，你们应该好好看看自己的发言。
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这里同样说的是阿克马尔沙伊克，而非弗莱。
yonghongy23
发表于 2009-10-16 15:17
以事实为根据，包括贩毒事实，贩毒数量，认罪态度，和精神检查结果。 以中国的法律为准绳进行判决，让外国人自己忙活去吧。此案的关键在于给国外犯罪分子一个有效地警示，提醒他们莫把国外肮脏的东西带到中国，否则后果很严重。中国加油，坚持到底就是胜利。
yonghongy23
发表于 2009-10-16 15:20
14# dorl 不能拿原则做交易，那样的话后患无穷。
yonghongy23
发表于 2009-10-16 15:22
（中国人不会在意我们的意见……，如果中国人宽恕了他，不会是因为人道主义考虑，而是因为政治原因。（
瞧瞧，这样的话都有，我们中国的司法不容践踏，一定要照章办事。
yonghongy23
发表于 2009-10-16 15:27
121# shenholmes 枪毙精神病人就离谱了。所以，要查清他是不是精神病人，还是在借机逃脱法律的制裁。我们要让他死个明白。
yonghongy23
发表于 2009-10-16 15:35
（沙伊克先生于2007年9月在中国西北的乌鲁木齐机场被捕。自被捕以来已经被监禁了两年。（
怎么，他已经在狱中逍遥这么久了。
拥抱和平
发表于 2009-10-17 13:55
不知道在中国的精神病鉴定科目类里有没有纳入这种很少听到的精神病症。没有纳入，那么不管你是不是这种精神病，你都应该按完全民事行为能力人一样承担罪责。这些西方记者是装聋作哑，属地原则是全世界通行的做法，你可以呼吁和忽悠，但你别干涉我国司法，一但干涉得逞，中国司法的公信力无疑在国内民众心中将遭到沉重打击。
QQ图腾
发表于 2009-10-17 14:42
英国精神病都跑到中国贩毒来怎么办？贩毒本是英国传统行业。
mmc210
发表于 2009-10-18 20:35
大家是否记得，1840年英国为什么炮轰虎门~！！！！
起因就是中国禁止英国进行毒品贸易~！
yv_pg
发表于 2009-10-19 02:42
这个事情里有三个要点值得注意：
1、什么人需要从乌鲁木齐入境。
答案只能是阿富汗人，而且阿富汗是目前最大的毒品生产基地，由此可以推断，这个英国公民其实是个阿富汗人，而且是穆斯林
2、什么人需要靠毒品生活
结合1的答案和现在的形势，很明显只能是塔利班分子。所以这个英国人多少是对恐怖主义持同情态度的。
3、英国人为什么要求赦免他
很简单，英国的法律现在已经走到了一个极端，对罪犯的人权的重视，远远超过了对受害者的人权的重视。这种所谓的法律观点与中国的法律和传统道德是截然相反的
所以，无条件赦免他的可能性不大。但如果英国人愿意拿东西来交换，他还是可能被判刑后驱逐出境的
耳冉子
发表于 2009-10-19 02:48
这个事情里有三个要点值得注意：
1、什么人需要从乌鲁木齐入境。
答案只能是阿富汗人，而且阿富汗是目前最大的毒品生产基地，由此可以推断，这个英国公民其实是个阿富汗人，而且是穆斯林
2、什么人需要靠毒品生活 ...
yv_pg 发表于 2009-10-19 02:42 http://bbs.m4.cn/images/common/back.gif
透彻！
红旗74
发表于 2009-10-19 10:24
可怜的英国人 现在终于不能像以前那样通过东印度公司来中国贩卖鸦片了，这位“精神病”先生只能亲自贩卖鸦片如同个私盐贩子。
HongKongCCY
发表于 2009-10-20 03:43
販毒者必殺。還要是英國人。
抗美反日
发表于 2009-10-20 08:04
呕酶国家就会拿精神病说事，他们的国民一在外国犯事就说有精神病。
布屎是不是也有精神病啊？
sunriseg62
发表于 2009-10-20 20:21
精神病本了不起嗎，精神病就可以到別的國家販賣毒品？？
leonfx
发表于 2009-10-20 21:10
一旦开此先例，贩毒组织一定会雇佣大量的精神病人………………………………