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[翻译完毕] Patriotism v. Nationalism

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Patriotism v. Nationalism

Barbara O'Brien


Do you remember Sydney Harris? He was a syndicated columnist who died in 1986. I used to love his column.
Patriotism is proud of a country’s virtues and eager tocorrect its deficiencies; it also acknowledges the legitimatepatriotism of other countries, with their own specific virtues. Thepride of nationalism, however, trumpets its country’s virtues anddenies its deficiencies, while it is contemptuous toward the virtues ofother countries. It wants to be, and proclaims itself to be, “thegreatest,” but greatness is not required of a country; only goodnessis. — Sydney J. Harris
I’ve been struggling with ideas about patriotism v. nationalism. Andthen I looked in Bartlett’s Quotations and rediscovered Sydney Harris.
The difference between patriotism and nationalism is that the patriotis proud of his country for what it does, and the nationalist is proudof his country no matter what it does; the first attitude creates afeeling of responsibility, but the second a feeling of blind arrogancethat leads to war.
I miss Sydney Harris. But here’s another good quote on patriotism and nationalism, from some other guy:
Patriotism is a lively sense of collectiveresponsibility. Nationalism is a silly cock crowing on its own dunghilland calling for larger spurs and brighter beaks. I fear thatnationalism is one of England’s many spurious gifts to the world. — Richard Aldington
“Responsibility” seems to be a common theme:
What do we mean by patriotism in the context of our times? I venture tosuggest that what we mean is a sense of national responsibility … apatriotism which is not short, frenzied outbursts of emotion, but thetranquil and steady dedication of a lifetime. — Adlai Stevenson
I’m sure by now you see where I’m going with this: Righties are not patriots, but nationalists. And I’m arguing that one of the basic differences between a patriot and a nationalist is that patriots value responsibility.This includes the citizen’s responsibility to his country, a country’s responsibility to its citizens, and the responsibility of a country andits citizens to the rest of the world.

Nationalists, on the other hand, do not value responsibility. They value loyalty, and their loyalty is a type of tribalism.The loyalty may not necessarily be to one’s fellow citizens, but only to members of their tribe. You know the righties feel absolutely noloyalty to us lefties, for example, even though we are fellow-citizens.
The right Americans are the right Americans because they’re not like the wrong Americans, who are not really Americans. — Eric J. Hobsbawm (b. 1917), British historian
Further, nationalists feel no sense of responsibility for the actions of their country. No matter what the country does, thenationalist will either justify it or deny it. Just speaking of the wrongdoing of one’s country is “disloyal” to a nationalist.
Cal Thomas is a nationalist, not a patriot. Recently he wrote,
Last Sunday, Gore spoke to the Jeddah Economic Forum inSaudi Arabia. … Gore told his audience, many of whom have been educatedat American universities, that after 9/11 Arabs in the United Stateswere “indiscriminately rounded up, often on minor charges ofoverstaying a visa or not having a green card in proper order, and heldin conditions that were just unforgivable.” … Gore also claimed therewere “terrible abuses” of the detainees, but he failed to provide anyexamples, and media calls to his office produced none.
Thomas should have called the U.S. Department of Justice. In June2003 the Justice Department’s inspector general issued a report of theresults of an internal, but independent investigation. The reportreveals that the FBI and immigration authorities seized hundreds ofArabs and South Asians after 9/11 and subjected them to severe prisonconditions with barely a nod to due process. A summary of the report ishere. The complete report, in PDF format, is here.
Amazing what three minutes of googling will turn up, isn’t it? You’dthink a “journalist” like Cal Thomas would figure these things out.Anyway, Thomas continues,
For Gore to make his anti-American remarks in SaudiArabia is at least as bad as what Nazi sympathizers said in thiscountry and abroad leading up to and during World War II.
One definition of “treason” at dictionary.com is: Violation ofallegiance toward one’s country or sovereign, especially the betrayalof one’s country by waging war against it or by consciously andpurposely acting to aid its enemies. By any objective standard, Gore’sremarks in Saudi Arabia appear to fit the definition.
Does Thomas not realize an audience of U.S-educated Saudis must haveknown already about the rights violations detailed in the JusticeDepartment report? Or does he think simple brown natives won’t findsuch things out unless we tell them? (Puh-leeze … )
What really ticked off Thomas was that, in his eyes, Gore’sadmission to a pack of foreigners that America had done something wrongwas an act of disloyalty. But acknowledging wrongdoing is an act oftaking responsibility. Taking responsibility is what patriots do.Denying that one’s country is ever at fault is what nationalists do.
And if you really want to find an American aiding America’s enemies, Cal, take a look at the Oval Office.
Seems to me that the easiest way to tell a patriot from anationalist is to apply the “responsibility” test. When the U.S. is atfault, a patriot considers it a duty to speak up and say so. But wherea patriot sees responsibility, a nationalist just sees disloyalty. Thenationalist will say something like “why are you tearing down yourcountry? Why don’t you talk about this bad thing another country did?”I’m sure you’ve heard speeches like that, many times. And the answeris, because I’m not responsible for that other country. I’m responsible for my country. Nationalists don’t get that.
[Update: The Poor Man finds an example.]
This is from the late, great Erich Fromm:
Nationalism is our form of incest, is our idolatry, isour insanity. “Patriotism” is its cult. It should hardly be necessaryto say, that by “patriotism” I mean that attitude which puts the ownnation above humanity, above the principles of truth and justice; notthe loving interest in one’s own nation, which is the concern with thenation’s spiritual as much as with its material welfare—never with itspower over other nations. Just as love for one individual whichexcludes the love for others is not love, love for one’s country whichis not part of one’s love for humanity is not love, but idolatrous worship.
Fromm puts patriotism in quotation marks; I assume he is using theword in an ironic sense. But speaking of idolatrous worship, lastThursday Dave Neiwert posted about “The Conservative faith” at Orcinus. Responding to Glenn Greenwald’s must-read post “Do Bush followers have a political ideology?” Dave argues that what passes for current “conservatism” is a kind of political religion, a critter defined this way by Wikipedia:
In the terminology of some scholars working in sociology, a politicalreligion is a political ideology with cultural and political powerequivalent to those of a religion, and often having many sociologicaland ideological similarities with religion. Quintessential examples areMarxism and Nazism, but totalitarianism is not a requirement (forexample neo-liberalism can be analysed as a political religion).
… The term political religion is a sociological one, drawing on thesociological aspects of religion which can be often be found in certainsecular ideologies. A political religion occupies much the samepsychological and sociological space as a theistic religion, and as aresult it often displaces or coopts existing religious organisationsand beliefs; this is described as a “sacralisation” of politics.However, although a political religion may coopt existing religiousstructures or symbolism, it does not itself have any independentspiritual or theocratic elements - it is essentially secular, usingreligion only for political purposes, if it does not reject religiousfaith outright.
Dave Neiwert continues to present, IMO, a solid case that current contemporary “conservatism” is more a nascent political religion than a political philosophy.And this explains much about the righties’ attitude toward Americannon-righties. We are not just the political opposition; we are apostate. We are blasphemers. We are heretics.
One of the most maddening traits of righties is that they cannotwrap their heads around the simple truth that those of us who opposethe Bush Administration have lots of reasons for doing so.How many times has a critic of Bush policy been dismissed as “just aBush hater”? It doesn’t matter what facts or documentation the criticpresents. It’s all swept away with the simple explanation — Bush hater. Or liberal. Which takes us back to Glenn Greenwald’s observationthat anyone who criticises the Bush Regime becomes a “liberal” in theminds of righties, no matter if that individual is as politicallyconservative as cheesy eagle art. Glenn writes,
People who self-identify as “conservatives” and havealways been considered to be conservatives become liberal heathens themoment they dissent, even on the most non-ideological grounds, from aBush decree. That’s because “conservatism” is now a term used todescribe personal loyalty to the leader (just as “liberal” is used todescribe disloyalty to that leader), and no longer refers to a set ofbeliefs about government.
If you understand Bush cultism as a religious faith, then the behavior of Bush supporters becomes, if not understandable, at least recognizable.In their minds, whatever we say is blasphemy; through us, Satan himselfspeaks. The righteous must plug their ears and refuse to listen.
Religion and nationalism do tend to get mixed up together into thesame toxic, warmongering soup. This is precisely what is going on inthe Muslim world; Islam as nationalism. You can find examples of enmitysorting itself into religious/ethnic camps in many parts of Africa,Asia, and around the globe. Perhaps as nation-states become moremultiethnic and religiously pluralistic, the urge to form enemies andmake war is being driven out of the hands of governments and into thehands of charismatic religious/ethnic leaders, like Osama bin Laden. Weshould note that even though encyclopedias still define the word nationalismas “loyalty to a nation-state,” which would certainly apply to most20th-century nationalist movements, nationalists can defy existingpolitical boundaries and organize themselves around an ideal of“nation” that excludes existing borders and governments. But that’s atopic a bit too ambitious for Sunday morning.
Let’s go back to Cal Thomas for a moment. Last week Citizen K of DKos wrote a post called “Cal Thomas: the republican call for Leninism and blasphemy”in which the Citizen argued that righties like Thomas “illustrates thetakeover of American discourse by Leninist ideology.” Citizen K quotesLenin saying that anyone who vacillates from the positions worked outby Soviet political leaders “objectively can have onlyone result … helping the imperialists to provoke the Russian SovietRepublic into a battle that will obviously be to its disadvantage ….”And Citizen K compares this to Thomas’s “By any objective standard, Al Gore’s remarks in Saudi Arabia appear to fit the definition [of treason].” Citizen K concludes,
Because Lenin (and Cal Thomas) are omniscient, anyonewho disagrees with them is “objectively” treasonous. The use of thislanguage by Thomas is no coincidence - the neo-cons are a movement ofLeninists. The essence of Leninism is Power. Lenin was happy to switchback and forth from capitalism (NEP) to communism, from elections tobullets, from a strong war policy to surrender as long as he retainedand built power. The US leninists have the same flexibility. For them,political positions are simply valuable propaganda or not. Balancedbudget/unbalanced budgets, gun control/gun banning,anti-choice/”moderation”, gay marriage bans/hiring Cheney’s daughterfor gay/lesbian outreach and so on. The suckers who kept trying to findhigh minded socialism in Lenin were no more or less gullible than the“conservatives” who look for some “conservatism” in Bush/Cheney’spolicies. The only consistency is Power.
In the Soviet Union, loyalty to the Communist Party and its leaders largely replacedreligion. We aren’t anywhere close to that point here, of course. I dothink it can be argued that, in America, the conservative politicalreligion has largely co-opted (and corrupted) Christianity for its ownpurposes. And I think it can be argued that much of what passes for“Christianity” in America is a political-religious mythos that isChristian on the surface but something else entirely in its heart. Butthat’s another topic a bit too ambitious for Sunday morning.
Later, today or tomorrow, I plan to post something about politicsand psychopathology that ties into this post. But I’ve gone on longenough for now.
Let’s close with some more quotes:
Nationalism is militant hatred. It is not love of our countrymen: that,which denotes good citizenship, philanthropy, practical religion,should go by the name of patriotism. Nationalism is passionatexenophobia. It is fanatical, as all forms of idol-worship are bound tobe. And fanaticism—l’infame denounced by Voltaire—obliterates orreverses the distinction between good and evil. Patriotism, the desireto work for the common weal, can be, must be, reasonable: “My country,may she be right!” Nationalism spurns reason: “Right or wrong, mycountry.” — Albert L. Guerard
Nationalism … is the worship of the collective power ofa local human community. Unlike the faith in progress through science,nationalism is not a new religion; it is a revival of an old one. Thiswas the religion of the city-states of the pre-Christian Greco-Romanworld. It was resuscitated in the West at the Renaissance, and thisresuscitation of the Greco-Roman political religion has been far moreeffective than the resuscitation of the Greco-Roman style ofliterature, visual art, and architecture. Modern Western nationalism,inspired by Greco-Roman political ideals and institutions, hasinherited the dynamism and fanaticism of Christianity. Translated intopractice in the American and French Revolutions, it proved to be highlyinfectious. Today, fanatical nationalism is perhaps 90 percent of thereligion of perhaps 90 percent of mankind. — A.J. Toynbee
Finally,
Nationalism is power hunger tempered by self-deception. — George Orwell


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spiiderweb                                  •  Feb 19, 2006 @10:10 am                        
Excellent post, Maha.
I just don’t understand it all. How can any American think ourgovernment is always right. Impossible. And to let mistakes happen orbad policy to be implemented without our speaking out is just plainwrong.

Was Clinton perfect, or Kennedy or Lincoln. Not at all. Is shrub?Hahaha. Silly question. The fact is we must question. It is “our”country and not shrub’s only.
We are THE super power…right now. There is an obligation there to doour best to be an example to the world. I’m not impressed with theexample we’re setting right now.

I’m no child. I’ve been around the block a few times. At this point the US is acting exactly like the former Soviet Union and doing the same things we feared and hated about that regime. You feel free now?You are STUPID!

                                                               
CE Petro                                  •  Feb 19, 2006 @10:31 am                        

When talk of nationalism v patriotism emerges, I have always turned to the Orwell essay.Unfortunately, I have found all too often that many of the religious“nationalists” in this country just do not understand the differencebetween nationalism and patriotism, even after reading the essay. Inseveral global dissucsion groups I was involved in at the time,Orwell’s essay came up during the early Afghan war and again during theearly invasions of Iraq. And then it is quickly dropped.

Nationalism v patriotism has not been sufficiently pointed out, inmy opinion. It seems to be buried each time people like Cal Thomas areconfronted with actual history of nationalism and patriotism during thelast century and the parallels in the US today.

Perhaps, as you get this discussion restarted, it might catch on, orat least go a little further than I have seen it go in the past.


Lynne                                  •  Feb 19, 2006 @11:08 am                        

A few years ago, in college, I rented aroom in my apartment to a Jordanian Arab post graduate student. It wasduring the first Iraq war and we had numerous discussions during thisuncomfortable time. Ahmed stated that Islam and the Islamic (future, inhis mind) state were inseparable in the view of Muslims, at least inthe Middle East. I admit to having trouble wrapping my mind around thisidea, having grown up with American ideals of separation.

It appears to me that Islam and the pan-Arab state are one and thesame, thus binding nationalism and religion in the minds of millions.
I realize that this is not the only example and that we have amplenumbers here at home with the same goals, only the religion isdifferent!

                                                               
Donna                                  •  Feb 19, 2006 @12:42 pm                        

How about some Al Franken?
“They (conservatives) don’t get it. We love America just as muchas they do. But in a different way. You see, they love America the waya four-year old loves her mommy. Liberals love America like grown-ups.To a four-year-old, everything Mommy does is wonderful and anyone whocriticizes Mommy is bad. Grown-up love means actually understandingwhat you love, taking the good with the bad, and helping your loved onegrow. Love takes attention and work and is the best thing in the world.That’s why we liberals want America to do the right thing. We knowAmerica is the hope of the world, and we love it and want it to dowell. We also want it to do good.”





Rick                                  •  Feb 19, 2006 @12:55 pm                        

Good post. Explains how you see Americans who are so “proud” they flytheir flag on their car(till its filthy) but cannot pickup the trash intheir own yard. Or patriots who cannot see the need to support theircountry by supporting their neighborhood, their city or their fellowcitizens…

                                                               
Phil Vinson                                  •  Feb 19, 2006 @3:01 pm                        

Babs,
Excellent! I remember Sydney J. Harris well, and still have acollection of his columns from the sixties. His “antics with semantics”feature was one of my favorites. Another quote I recall is “You cannotunderstand your own position unless you can understand the opposite ofyour position.” I think you’re doing a great job of that.


                                                               
hettiemae                                  •  Feb 19, 2006 @7:01 pm                        

I remember Sidney Harris and I’m pretty sure I have cut out columns of his in my bible.

As for what Mr. Gore said about men being rounded up after 9/11, I knowfor a fact that it is true. In Evansville, IN, seven men were picked upand driven to Chicago by federal agents. The men are Egyptian and oneof them had a jealous wife who didn’t like it because her husband sentmoney to his family in Egypt. She called federal agents who checked upon the men. It turns out one of them, a restaurant owner had beentaking flying lessons.

The men were lucky because the community stood up for them. The man whowas taking flying lessons had a lawyer for a father-in-law, thankgoodness. Still, it took sometime before the men were released. The oneman whose jealous wife called federal agents was deported.


Swami                                  •  Feb 20, 2006 @10:14 am                        

I beam with pride knowing that my countryuses torture..I’m not one of those weak Americans who worry about whatothers may think..America, love her or leave her!
I just read an article where Rumsfeld claims we’re losing the PRportion in the war on terrorism. He claims e-mails, blackberrys, andblogs are the reason why.. Yeah, those damned bloggers blew theinvasion of Iraq, the torturing in secret prisons,abu Ghraib,thekilling of innocent Pakistanis all out of porportion.
It seems like a bunch of towelheads and goatherders are moresophisicated than America’s public relations machine. Is Karen Hughesfalling down on the job?



Israeli Moving Company                                  •  Feb 23, 2006 @9:46 pm                        

I would say the opposite.
America is not a nation, only a government.  And would define patriotism as rabid blind following.

Within America consists the African nation, Aztlan, Celtic tribes,Anglo-saxons, Scandinavians, Italians, assorted tuetons, the Mulatoes,various mixed races, wogs, and New York/Hollywood/New Zion. All sortsof different nations.

Anti-nationalism is an attempt to vilify mainly “evil” white Europeanraces who in reality have little stake in an America controlled by NewZion/Big Israel. America is of decreasing value to irreverent guiltlesspeople recovering peices of their old world heritage. Bush/ourgovernors are all israeli opsessed nutjobs.

maha                                  •  Feb 23, 2006 @10:52 pm                        

America is not a nation, only a government. And would define patriotism as rabid blind following.
“Nationalism” is rabid blind following. Patriotism is not.

Within America consists the African nation, Aztlan, Celtictribes, Anglo-saxons, Scandinavians, Italians, assorted tuetons, theMulatoes, various mixed races, wogs, and New York/Hollywood/New Zion.All sorts of different nations.

Oh, for pity’s sake, that’s absurd. For example, I am atenth-generation American. My ancestors include early PennsylvaniaDutch, various Scots-Irish hillbillies, one of the first GermanLutheran pastors in the colonies (and he was a descendant of one ofMartin Luther’s students who became spiritual advisor toAustro-Hungarian royalty), several generations of Welsh stonecutters,and lots of threads we can’t trace to anywhere but may not have beenEuropean at all. I had ancestors who fought in the American Revolutionwho were already second- and third-generation themselves. Myforemothers scratched gardens out of the wilderness and gave birth infrontier log cabins. One of my great-great grandfathers marched throughGeorgia with Crazy Bill Sherman. My grandfather went to France withGeneral Pershing; one of my dad’s cousins went down with the Arizona atPearl Harbor. Etc. etc.

So what is my “nation”?
My family history is deeply entwined with my country’s history. TheUnited States is my country, and I love my country. Not blindly, butwith a sense of respect for what my ancestors helped create, plus asense of responsibility for that creation.

This past summer I got a chance to go to Wales and meet some of mydistant relatives. The Welsh are a nation-within-a-nation withcomplicated loyalties; British but not English. And I throughly enjoyedbeing there and soaking in the family heritage — I got to see the verycottage one of my great-grandfathers grew up in — but Wales is not mycountry. The United States is my country. And all the African, Aztlan,Celtic, Anglo-saxon, Scandinavians, Italians, Germanic, etc. Americansare my fellow countrymen.

If you are a United States citizen and feel “America is not anation, only a government,” I would say the deficiency is in you, andnot in the United States. But perhaps you’d be happier somewhere else.
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