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发表于 2009-12-30 21:52 | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式
在他们主页上写着british anger over china execution, 乍一看还以为英国人都怒了,
结果have your say的论坛上前5页就只有两个人反对死刑,还有一个是阿联酋的,
其他人都是well done china。



http://newsforums.bbc.co.uk/nol/thread.jspa?forumID=7377

BBC里的回复显示:英国民众一片倒地支持中国的决定

Added: Wednesday, 30 December, 2009, 13:47 GMT 13:47 UK
The message from China to drug smuggler is:There is no excuse for drug smuggler here, so do not come to China, the price is death.

中国给毒品走私者传达的信息是:走私毒品是没有借口可以做掩护的。不要到中国来,代价是死亡。

The message from EU to drug smuggler is: Welcome, guys, our taxpayer will raise your guys and give you a good life with human rights here.

欧盟给毒品走私者传达的信息是:伙计,欢迎你。我们的纳税者将养活你们,并且给你们享有人权的良好生活。

This "Briton" may has a mental illness, but obviously, Chinese government is not.I don't know how about these EU politican.

这个“英国人”(译注:那人是英国国籍但不是白人人种)也许有精神病,但显然,中国政府没有(精神病)。我不知道欧盟的政客们是否有(精神病)。

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Added: Wednesday, 30 December, 2009, 13:46 GMT 13:46 UK
Yes the Chinese were correct in there execution of a drug smuggler what ever nationality, If you are in another Country you have to go with there laws and if you are stupid enough to over step the law you have to suffer the consequences its a pity our laws are not as server.But wait ten year untill the muslims gain power of this Country.

中国政府处决一个毒品走私者,不管其国籍如何,是正确的。如果你在另一个国家,你就必须遵守其法律。如果你太愚蠢了而违反法律,你就必须承担后果。可惜我们的法律没有那么严厉,但是让我们等10年当那些穆斯林掌握了这个国家的权力时再看。

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Added: Wednesday, 30 December, 2009, 13:38 GMT 13:38 UK
I wonder who arranged visas for Tajikistan and for China for Mr Shaikh. I've been to both places and aquiring visas is not for the faint hearted, let alone someone with bipolar who apparently does not know what is going on. I doubt that he put on his visa form that he wanted entry into China "to become a popstar"
Or maybe he was smarter than is suggested?

我不知道谁给Shaikh(译注:此名听起来像印度裔的)搞到塔吉克斯坦和中国的签证。我去过这两国,获取签证不是胆小的人能做的,更别说有两极性精神病的人了,因为那种人显然没有判断能力。他在签证申请表上填的入境目的是想作”流行歌星“,对此我表示怀疑。或者有另一种解释,也许他实际上比声称的要更聪明?

Mike T, Northants, United Kingdom (来自英国Northants)

Added: Wednesday, 30 December, 2009, 13:38 GMT 13:38 UK
The British government should be the last one in the world to teach China how to handle the drug trifficking. The last 2 cases involving UK and China on drug traffickings were in 19th century which are still in Chinese people deep memory.

英国政府应该是世界上最后一个出来教训中国如何处理毒品走私问题的。此前两个牵扯到英国、中国的毒品走私案件发生在19世纪,那些事情依然印在中国人民的记忆里。

I never thought some British politicians and Media were really stupid enough to touch this issue in such an arrogant way.

我从来没有想到英国政客和媒体会真得蠢到以这种傲慢的方式来处理此事的地步。
Dan, Cambridge (剑桥) (译注:从名字看,此人似乎是中国人)
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发表于 2009-12-30 23:12 | 显示全部帖子
Added: Wednesday, 30 December, 2009, 13:01 GMT 13:01 UK
AT least this time chinese government did a right thing ,in front of the laws, every people is equal, no matter whether he is English or Chinese. 4kg drugs will kill much more than one English man .

至少这次中国政府做对了一件事。法律面前人人平等,不管他是英吉利人还是中国人。4公斤毒品将会杀死的人远比一个英吉利人多。

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Added: Wednesday, 30 December, 2009, 12:59 GMT 12:59 UK

Clearly the Chinese do not understand the quaintly western principle of "care in the community" for those not mentally capable of dealing with their own affairs. Their "human rights" allowing some freedom to kill & damage more "sane" members of Society on several occasions. They are then excused by being unfit to plead. In that respect I dont understand either so I can't blame the Chinese on this one.

显然中国人不明白西方离奇的对精神上无力管好自己事情的人的”社区关照“原则。那些人的”人权“给他们在一些情况下杀、伤其他更健全的社区成员的自由。然后他们以没有能力辩护为借口被开脱。对这种原则我也不明白,所以我不能就此事责备中国人。

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Added: Wednesday, 30 December, 2009, 12:59 GMT 12:59 UK
Well they wouldn't murder the smuggler- thats for sure. Whatever the rights and wrongs of this case, executions are barbaric. But since when did China respect human rights?

当然,他们肯定不会谋杀走私者。不管这个案件的对错,死刑是野蛮的。但是,从什么时候起,中国开始尊重人权了?
Les H, US/UK (译注:下面一段是回答上面一人的评论的)

Les H, US/UK

some would say that they were repecting the human rights of the 2000 odd prople who this man would have killed from selling the drugs in china, but hey, that OK in your book as long as they are not british right. Let look after our own drug smuggler and bring him back here.

有的人会说他们(译注:指中国)尊重可能会被这个在中国卖毒品的人杀死的2000多个人的人权。但是,嘿,只要不是英国人的权利,那是可以的。
让我们关照我们自己的毒品走私者,把他搞回来吧。


John, Brit (英国)

Added: Wednesday, 30 December, 2009, 12:56 GMT 12:56 UK

Good for China, a country with a real deterrent against crime. Why shouldn't they be allowed to enforce their laws on transgressors. We are soft on crime and the whole world knows it. We've got a guy in the Scottish Parliament who wants to de- criminalise knife crime and not enforce a custodial sentence for it. What chance do law abiding people have in Britain. If you are attacked in your own home the government are more worried about the criminals health than yours. We are a laughing stock.

对中国是好事,对犯罪有真正的镇慑力。为什么不许他们对违法者执行他们的法律呢?

我们对犯罪太软弱了,全世界都知道。我们在苏格兰议会有个家伙试图将持刀罪变成无罪,并且去掉监管的惩罚。在英国,守法的人有多大的(不受犯罪侵犯)的机会?

如果你在家里受到袭击,政府更关心罪犯的健康而不是你的。我们只是可笑的东西。(译注:指的是前不久有一小偷闯入某人家,将他们绑起来,结果遭到男主人的反抗,被男主人追打。结果小偷没事儿,男主人却被判刑入狱)

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Added: Wednesday, 30 December, 2009, 12:55 GMT 12:55 UK
If China tried to intervene in the trial or sentencing of a Chinese citizen accused of a serious crime in the UK, we would not like it.

如果中国想干涉一个中国公民在英国被起诉犯罪的案件,我们不会高兴。

There has been no real suggestion that he wasn't guilty, only that he was mentally ill. The Chinese wouldn't execute a foreigner if they didn't think it was absolutely justified.

没有人认真的提出他是无罪的,只是说他有精神病。如果不是绝对肯定,中国是不会对一个外国人执行死刑的。

I'm against the death penalty, but not uduly upset about this sentence. He knew what he was doing, and has paid the price. The general reaction in the UK isn't very sympathetic.

我反对死刑,但不会对此事表现出不适当的烦乱。他知道他在做什么,并且付出了代价。在英国,总的反响是大家对他不太同情。

Apple Eater, England(英格兰)

Added: Wednesday, 30 December, 2009, 12:54 GMT 12:54 UK
If more conutrys were like china and that there would be less crime... look at Ireland here and the UK some kills someone and they get 6 years or so for it, meaby 4 for good behaviour????

如果有更多的国家像中国那样,将会有更少的犯罪。看看我们爱尔兰这里,还有英国,杀人只判6年入狱,或者因为行为好而只判4年???(译注:在英国杀人通常被判十几年,但那只是名义上的,几乎不会关那么长,实际年限和名义年限没有太大关系,通常6年就可以出狱,如果表现好的话4年就可以出狱)

he was caught with drugs and the court wasnt issued with any evidence he had a mental disorder..... (which he probably didnt)...

他带毒品被抓,而没有给法庭提供任何精神病的证据(也许他本来就没有)

he took a risk, got caught, and since he carried drugs for young people etc all i can say is i wish more countries had laws like yours

他冒了险,被抓住了,因为他带着给年轻人的毒品等等,我能说的就是我希望有更多的国家有你们(译注:指中国)那样的法律。

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Added: Wednesday, 30 December, 2009, 12:54 GMT 12:54 UK

The key phrase is "A British man, THOUGHT to be mentally ill".
His family never actual had a official diagnoses, may be because the stigma attached. In hind sight they should sought and got a official diagnosis, rather than leaving it has a procedural defence against the death penalety in foriegn country. Many foriegners caugth smulggling drugs, say they have been tricked :-) . This is a wearsome defence in a foriegn country. This man traveled the world how mentally ill was he?

关键词是“一个英国人,据认为有精神问题”

他的家庭从来都没有正式的诊断,也许是因为害怕耻辱。事后来看,他们应该事先搞到正式的诊断书,而不是事后在国外拿来作为应对死刑的程式化辩护理由。

许多在国外被抓的毒品走私者都声称自己被骗了。在外国这是一个乏味的辩护词。(译注:近年来有多例在国外走私毒品被抓的英国人以被骗为理由被英国政府搞回国逃脱外国法律惩罚的事件,所以这次碰上中国政府拒不屈服的态度,英政府觉得十分没有面子,恼羞成怒)

此人在全世界都旅行过了,他能有多精神错乱?

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发表于 2009-12-30 22:00 | 显示全部楼层
其他媒体也一样,我放了竞报和每日邮报的评论,同样的
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发表于 2009-12-30 22:02 | 显示全部楼层
都是英文额。。有中文翻译么?
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发表于 2009-12-30 22:03 | 显示全部楼层

zg


辛苦“听学英语”同学翻译~
在下翻译起来不大顺,所以就不拿出来了~
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发表于 2009-12-30 22:05 | 显示全部楼层
我只翻了最后三条。其余的麻烦编译了。

审判是公平的——中国公民也同样要遵守此项法律。中华人民共和国执行这项审判是正确的。
精神疾病?这是人们都喜欢用的借口。
在新加坡,15克的海洛因就可以被判处死刑了。


走私毒品的道路是走不通的。
只有死路一条。


为什么英国试图干涉中国的审判程序,我想如果中国介入英国的法律审判,一定会引发强烈的反对吧。英国不能企图两面兼得。

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发表于 2009-12-30 22:05 | 显示全部楼层
他们被代表了~
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发表于 2009-12-30 22:09 | 显示全部楼层
中国的网站上,那些一向主张西式民主的人,所持的观点是站在西方普通民意一边,还是站在西方政府及主流媒体一边
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发表于 2009-12-30 22:18 | 显示全部楼层
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发表于 2009-12-30 22:32 | 显示全部楼层
Added: Wednesday, 30 December, 2009, 13:47 GMT 13:47 UK
The message from China to drug smuggler is:There is no excuse for drug smuggler here, so do not come to China, the price is death.
中国给毒品走私者传达的信息是:走私毒品是没有借口可以做掩护的。不要到中国来,代价是死亡。

The message from EU to drug smuggler is: Welcome, guys, our taxpayer will raise your guys and give you a good life with human rights here.
欧盟给毒品走私者传达的信息是:伙计,欢迎你。我们的纳税者将养活你们,并且给你们享有人权的良好生活。

This "Briton" may has a mental illness, but obviously, Chinese government is not.I don't know how about these EU politican.
这个“英国人”(译注:那人是英国国籍但不是白人人种)也许有精神病,但显然,中国政府没有(精神病)。我不知道欧盟的政客们是否有(精神病)。

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发表于 2009-12-30 22:40 | 显示全部楼层
Added: Wednesday, 30 December, 2009, 13:46 GMT 13:46 UK
Yes the Chinese were correct in there execution of a drug smuggler what ever nationality, If you are in another Country you have to go with there laws and if you are stupid enough to over step the law you have to suffer the consequences its a pity our laws are not as server.But wait ten year untill the muslims gain power of this Country.
中国政府处决一个毒品走私者,不管其国籍如何,是正确的。如果你在另一个国家,你就必须遵守其法律。如果你太愚蠢了而违反法律,你就必须承担后果。可惜我们的法律没有那么严厉,但是让我们等10年当那些穆斯林掌握了这个国家的权力时再看。

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发表于 2009-12-30 22:41 | 显示全部楼层
中国的网站上,那些一向主张西式民主的人,所持的观点是站在西方普通民意一边,还是站在西方政府及主流媒体 ...
耳冉子 发表于 2009-12-30 22:09



    可以借鉴美国打伊拉克后的情况~
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发表于 2009-12-30 22:54 | 显示全部楼层
Added: Wednesday, 30 December, 2009, 13:38 GMT 13:38 UK
I wonder who arranged visas for Tajikistan and for China for Mr Shaikh. I've been to both places and aquiring visas is not for the faint hearted, let alone someone with bipolar who apparently does not know what is going on. I doubt that he put on his visa form that he wanted entry into China "to become a popstar"
Or maybe he was smarter than is suggested?
我不知道谁给Shaikh(译注:此名听起来像印度裔的)搞到塔吉克斯坦和中国的签证。我去过这两国,获取签证不是胆小的人能做的,更别说有两极性精神病的人了,因为那种人显然没有判断能力。他在签证申请表上填的入境目的是想作”流行歌星“,对此我表示怀疑。或者有另一种解释,也许他实际上比声称的要更聪明?

Mike T, Northants, United Kingdom (来自英国Northants)

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发表于 2009-12-30 22:54 | 显示全部楼层
可以借鉴美国打伊拉克后的情况~
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发表于 2009-12-30 23:03 | 显示全部楼层
Added: Wednesday, 30 December, 2009, 13:38 GMT 13:38 UK
The British government should be the last one in the world to teach China how to handle the drug trifficking. The last 2 cases involving UK and China on drug traffickings were in 19th century which are still in Chinese people deep memory.
英国政府应该是世界上最后一个出来教训中国如何处理毒品走私问题的。此前两个牵扯到英国、中国的毒品走私案件发生在19世纪,那些事情依然印在中国人民的记忆里。

I never thought some British politicians and Media were really stupid enough to touch this issue in such an arrogant way.
我从来没有想到英国政客和媒体会真得蠢到以这种傲慢的方式来处理此事的地步。
Dan, Cambridge (剑桥) (译注:从名字看,此人似乎是中国人)
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发表于 2009-12-30 23:12 | 显示全部楼层
Added: Wednesday, 30 December, 2009, 13:01 GMT 13:01 UK
AT least this time chinese government did a right thing ,in front of the laws, every people is equal, no matter whether he is English or Chinese. 4kg drugs will kill much more than one English man .
至少这次中国政府做对了一件事。法律面前人人平等,不管他是英吉利人还是中国人。4公斤毒品将会杀死的人远比一个英吉利人多。

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发表于 2009-12-30 23:22 | 显示全部楼层
这些网民让人尊敬
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Added: Wednesday, 30 December, 2009, 12:59 GMT 12:59 UK

Clearly the Chinese do not understand the quaintly western principle of "care in the community" for those not mentally capable of dealing with their own affairs. Their "human rights" allowing some freedom to kill & damage more "sane" members of Society on several occasions. They are then excused by being unfit to plead. In that respect I dont understand either so I can't blame the Chinese on this one.

显然中国人不明白西方离奇的对精神上无力管好自己事情的人的”社区关照“原则。那些人的”人权“给他们在一些情况下杀、伤其他更健全的社区成员的自由。然后他们以没有能力辩护为借口被开脱。对这种原则我也不明白,所以我不能就此事责备中国人。


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发表于 2009-12-30 23:48 | 显示全部楼层
互联网时代,民意不是那么容易被代表的。
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发表于 2009-12-31 00:03 | 显示全部楼层
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凤还巢 发表于 2009-12-30 22:54



    那是位神人啊

另:
说到大量关于他可能患有精神病的论谈,显然已经没有以前的医疗记录


这是我们大使馆公告里的话,应该问问英国媒体,神经病是怎么被制作出来的~
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Added: Wednesday, 30 December, 2009, 12:56 GMT 12:56 UK

Good for China, a country with a real deterrent against crime. Why shouldn't they be allowed to enforce their laws on transgressors. We are soft on crime and the whole world knows it. We've got a guy in the Scottish Parliament who wants to de- criminalise knife crime and not enforce a custodial sentence for it. What chance do law abiding people have in Britain. If you are attacked in your own home the government are more worried about the criminals health than yours. We are a laughing stock.

对中国是好事,对犯罪有真正的镇慑力。为什么不许他们对违法者执行他们的法律呢?

我们对犯罪太软弱了,全世界都知道。我们在苏格兰议会有个家伙试图将持刀罪变成无罪,并且去掉监管的惩罚。在英国,守法的人有多大的(不受犯罪侵犯)的机会?

如果你在家里受到袭击,政府更关心罪犯的健康而不是你的。我们只是可笑的东西。(译注:指的是前不久有一小偷闯入某人家,将他们绑起来,结果遭到男主人的反抗,被男主人追打。结果小偷没事儿,男主人却被判刑入狱)

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