美国对言论自由，集会和信仰自由， 人权的双重标准

jshi6210

这里有两篇报道， 现在非常火爆。 从报道中可看出美国对言论自由，集会和信仰自由， 人权， 网络的监督的双重标准。 在美国拥有枪子是合法的，当地自发的民兵组织也是合法的， Hutaree 民兵组织并没有ACTION， 只是说说，  从文中可看看美国对它是怎么做的？

还有， 看看对文章的评论也很有趣。

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews/ynews_ts1361

http://news.yahoo.com/s/csm/20100329/ts_csm/291267

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jshi6210 发表于 2010-3-30 21:38

楼主，请将正文发到此贴

nile

LZ是指这篇报道吧，国内已有媒体转载了

美国捣毁一个预谋推翻政府的极端团伙(图)
http://news.sina.com.cn/w/p/2010-03-30/124919971525.shtml

个人比较感兴趣的是，该组织在YouTube上的videos是否被“不作恶”的西媒按原样保留。

jshi6210

楼主，请将正文发到此贴
下个月 发表于 2010-3-30 23:12

这是第一篇文章, 现在已经有5800多个评论(不包括对评论的回复), 由于太多评论, 我就只贴出正文:

标题: Who are the Christian militia 'Hutaree' and why was the FBI targeting them?

正文:

This weekend, the FBI conducted a series of raids in Michigan, Ohio, and Indiana to detain members of a Christian militia group on criminal charges. So what does this group believe, and how do its members fit in with the larger radical right?

The group in question calls itself the "Hutaree"; its website says the term translates as "Christian warrior." And in keeping with that name, the material it has posted online reflects an outlook of violent religious confrontation. The Hutaree believe that acts of violence can bring about the final judgment prophesied in the Christian Bible — and therefore have been arming themselves to go to war with the Antichrist, "evil Jews," and Muslims. They have documented their training exercises in a series of YouTube videos. And they spell out the theological rationale for their actions on the "About Us" page on their website:


Jesus wanted us to be ready to defend ourselves using the sword and stay alive using equipment. The only thing on earth to save the testimony and those who follow it, are the members of the testimony, til the return of Christ in the clouds. We, the Hutaree, are prepared to defend all those who belong to Christ and save those who aren't. We will still spread the word, and fight to keep it, up to the time of the great coming ... The Hutaree will one day see its enemy and meet him on the battlefield if so God wills it. We will reach out to those who are yet blind in the last days of the kingdoms of men and bring them to life in Christ.

According to the indictment unsealed this morning in court, the nine members of the group — eight men and one woman — planned to "levy war" against the U.S. government. To incite such a war, the group planned to murder law enforcement officials and then follow up their initial attacks with a separate attack on the fallen officers' funeral(s), where a large number of law enforcement personnel would no doubt be gathered.

With other news of vandalism and harassment from right-wing activists angry about the passage of health care reform, some commentators are already depicting the arrests as a further sign of how conservative activists are promoting violence in their ranks. But even within the militant world of the Michigan militia movement, the Hutarees are viewed as extreme religious fanatics. Michael Lackomar, a leader of the Southeast Michigan Volunteer Militia, told the Associated Press that he'd fielded a frantic call from a Hutaree member Saturday night reporting the onset of the federal raids. After hearing pleas for help, Lackomar said that his group declined. "They said that they were under attack by the ATF and wanted a place to hide," Lackomar recalls. "My team leaders said, 'No thanks.' "

A posting on a Hutaree message board by someone named Anna seems to back up Lackomar's claim that Hutaree members were seeking help from other militia groups in the area.

"We need some help please," she wrote. "I am enroute south with my children using the wifi's as I can. They were catching others as they came to their rallying points, they broke into homes and took children and used the tasers on wives, my son who is 12 and I got out by crawling through the creeks behind our house. My husband and others are taken, please call the press and tell them, if any in the Michigan Militia is still free please rally with them. Please help."

Still, while the more secular and libertarian leaders of the militia movement may distance themselves from the Hutaree, the two militant strains of right-wing activism share some tactical affinities, says Kenneth S. Stern, the American Jewish Committee's director on anti-Semitism and extremism. "What you're starting to see in the number of militia groups sprouting up in the last year is a general antigovernment ideology," Stern says. "The targeting of cops is not inconsistent with that. The literature that glorified that white supremacist movement that helped the militia movement take off in the 1990s advocated those tactics — especially in books like 'The Turner Diaries.' And some of these groups — like the Order and others — started setting traps for law enforcement and going after first responders."

Stern cautions that it's too soon to draw broader lessons from the alleged Hutaree plot. But he does add that "whenever you have a combination of the ideology that says, 'the government is evil and we'd better do something about it,' and a religion that says, 'Hey, God wants you to do something about it,' that can be problematic."

— Brett Michael Dykes is a national affairs writer for Yahoo! News.

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下个月 发表于 2010-3-30 23:12

这是第二篇文章, 现在已经有1100多个评论(不包括对评论的回复), 由于太多评论, 我就只贴出正文:

标题: Who is David Brian Stone, leader of the Hutaree militia?

正文:

Members called him "Captain Hutaree" or, somewhat cryptically, "RD." A federal indictment calls him the “principal leader” of the Hutaree militia – an extremist group federal authorities say was preparing to "levy war" against the US government by killing police officers.

He is David Brian Stone, and early media accounts sketch a portrait of a man pulled increasingly toward the militia movement and its radical fringe. His ex-wife said she left him because he "got carried away." Federal authorities allege that he researched how to build roadside bombs on the Internet. And at least one neighbor said the group that Mr. Stone leads had acquired a certain notoriety around town.

"You don't mess with them," she told the Detroit News.

Monday morning, federal authorities released an indictment against Stone and eight other members of the Hutaree militia. They allege that Stone and his followers were planning an attack sometime in April, perhaps killing an police officer then targeting the funeral with improvised explosive devices (IEDs) to raise the death toll. The group saw the police as an arm of the US government, which they felt was the enemy.

It had not started out like this, said Donna Stone, David's ex-wife.

“It started out as a Christian thing," Donna Stone told reporters at the preliminary court hearing Monday morning. "You go to church. You pray. You take care of your family. I think David started to take it a little too far. He dragged a lot of people with him. When he got carried away, when he went from handguns to big guns, I was done."

“He dragged a lot of innocent people down with him," said Donna Stone, whose son was legally adopted by David Stone and was among those indicted. “It started to get worse when they were talking about the world's gonna end in the Bible.”

According to the indictment, David Stone researched IEDs on the Internet and e-mailed diagrams of the devices to someone he believed capable of manufacturing the devices. He then directed his son, Joshua, and others to gather materials necessary for the manufacturing of the bombs.

The indictment further concludes that in June 2009, "Stone taught other Hutaree members how to make and use explosive devices intending or knowing that the information would be used to further a crime of violence."

Other militia groups in Michigan distanced themselves from David Stone and the Hutaree.

"I've met him. He's an opinionated man who likes to share those opinions," Jim Gulliksen of the Lenaway Volunteer Michigan Militia told the Detroit News. "The Hutaree is a nationwide group, but I have met a couple of the members here, and I can say they all belong to one specific church. Our concern is the protection of our nation. Religion appears to be a big part of what they are doing."

According to the group’s website Hutaree.com, Hutaree means “Christian Warrior.” The website announces: “The Hutaree will one day see its enemy and meet him on the battlefield if so God wills it.”

Heidi Beirich of the Southern Poverty Law Center, which tracks militia groups nationwide, said Monday she was aware of two Hutaree chapters: one in Utah and one in Michigan. She noted Hutaree has more than 350 friends on its Myspace page, dozens of which are other other militias, and she said David Stone was planning to attend a summit in Kentucky with other militias next month.

“Hutaree is not an isolated crew,” she noted.

People in the southeastern Michigan community of Adrian, Mich., knew of the group, which would shoot guns and run around in camouflage. "Everybody knew they were militia," resident Phyllis Bruger told the Detroit News.

The Hutaree website claims the group was “preparing for the end time battles to keep the testimony of Jesus Christ alive.”

Beirich suggests militia members like David Stone see “the end of times” occurring today: “They have extreme antigovernment beliefs. They have rage and hatred for the federal government. They fear being put in FEMA concentration camps. They’re really paramilitary organizations.”


举一个例子, 这是第一个评论:
Near as I can tell, they have not done anything wrong. Funny how Americans can get arrested for "thought crimes" now.

对这个评论已有123个回复 (不包括这些对评论的回复, 对这篇文章光评论就有1100多个), Replies (123)

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这里还有一篇更新的文章, 已经有11400个评论. 有关这次事件的文章非常火红, 许多评论认为不应该把这些信教的人抓起来, 他们还没有真正做任何坏事.

标题: Feds: Christian militia needed to be `taken down'

连接: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_fbi_raids;_ylt=AjYsdBqNtZJyuHAQ6qzDWFus0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTNna3JmYTVqBGFzc2V0A2FwLzIwMTAwMzMxL3VzX2ZiaV9yYWlkcwRjY29kZQNtb3N0cG9wdWxhcgRjcG9zAzQEcG9zAzEEcHQDaG9tZV9jb2tlBHNlYwN5bl9oZWFkbGluZV9saXN0BHNsawNmZWRzY2hyaXN0aWE-

正文:

DETROIT – It started inside a trailer home in rural Michigan, where a small family gathered before bed for prayer. Years later, the private devotions had evolved into a small militia of "Christian warriors" preparing to fight the Antichrist.

The changes in David Brian Stone's personal theology partly destroyed his marriage, his former wife says, and prosecutors claim they later led him to hatch a plot to kill police officers — a violent act the militia hoped would touch off an uprising against the government.

"The time had come that we needed to arrest them and take them down," U.S. Attorney Barbara McQuade said Tuesday in an interview with The Associated Press.

Prosecutors believe that Stone, 44, of Clayton, is the ringleader of the Hutaree militia, a name the group's Web site says they created to mean "Christian warrior." He was among eight members arrested during a series of weekend raids in three Midwestern states, which federal officials said they carried out after monitoring the group since last summer and learning they planned to launch their attack next month.

All eight were arrested without incident. A ninth defendant — Stone's son, Joshua Matthew Stone — turned himself in late Monday night following an hours-long standoff with FBI agents and police near a wooded area southwest of Detroit the group had used for training. He and the others face charges that include seditious conspiracy, or plotting to levy war against the U.S.

Each of the suspects has requested a public defender, and bond hearings are scheduled for Wednesday.

Donna Stone, 44, said her ex-husband created the legal problems now faced by her stepson, Joshua Stone, and her 19-year-old son, David Brian Stone Jr., by involving them in a militia that grew out of his faith.

"I honestly feel, and think, their dad never told either of those boys what they were getting into," she said. "This a bunch of garbage, these charges. There is no way my son would do these things."

Donna Stone said she met David Brian Stone in the late 1990s in a Meijer grocery superstore where she worked. He courted her and soon afterward, she and her son, Sean Stetten, moved into his small trailer in Lenawee County, near the Ohio state line. The boys were raised as brothers, and David Brian Stone legally adopted Sean, whose name was changed to David Brian Stone Jr.

Both boys were home-schooled and at night, the family would pray together.

"David would preach out of the Bible," said Donna Stone, who said she was married to David Brian Stone for about six years. "He would start at the beginning of Genesis and go to Revelations. He didn't get into Revelations because we didn't agree on it. David said it was supposed to be different. He had his own views. That's when I thought it was time for me to go."

The Hutaree Web site quotes several Bible passages and declares: "We believe that one day, as prophecy says, there will be an Anti-Christ. ... Jesus wanted us to be ready to defend ourselves using the sword and stay alive using equipment."

Chip Berlet, a senior analyst with Political Research Associates, a think tank based in Somerville, Mass., said Hutaree's online writings suggest the group fits into a Christian apocalyptic ideology that believes the U.S. government is "in league with Satan" and "the chief agent of Satan is the Antichrist."

"In this particular reading of apocalyptic prophecy, there's a huge battle between good and evil," said Berlet, whose group studies right-wing extremists. "Powerful, political elected officials ... are conspiring with Satan to build a one-world government."

McQuade downplayed the role religious ideology played in the group's alleged plans, saying the "most troubling" finding of their investigation into the Hutaree were the details of their alleged plot. Prosecutors have said the militia planned to make a false 911 call, kill responding police officers and then use a bomb to kill many more at the funeral.

"What we were focused on here is their conduct, not on their religion. And what they have talked about is being very anti-government," McQuade said. "They fear this `new world order' and they thought that it was their job to fight against government — the federal government in particular."

The group was preparing to carry out an attack sometime in April, prosecutors said, after months of paramilitary training that began in 2008 and included learning how to shoot guns and make bombs. Authorities seized guns in the raids but would not say whether they found explosives.

McQuade declined to discuss other specifics, including how the group originally came to the attention of authorities or how agents learned about the alleged plans for an attack in April.

The Hutaree Web site does not list specific grievances against law enforcement and the government. The site features a picture of 17 people in camouflage, all holding guns, and includes videos of armed men running through the woods. Each wears a shoulder patch that bears a cross and two red spears.

McQuade wouldn't discuss those in the picture who haven't been arrested, but she said the nine people charged are "the core group" whose conduct "really crossed that line."

"There are lots of militia groups who abide by the law and exercise their rights to bear arms," she said. "Just being a member of the group is not enough to get you into trouble. Even just showing up and associating with certain people certainly isn't enough to be indicted. But when you cross that line by planning and training to kill people, then that's where you draw the line."

FBI officials see little chance the arrests will spur other anti-government extremists to launch their own attacks. The agency issued a bulletin Tuesday to police departments saying it picked up Internet chatter among other militia groups — including some expressing sympathy for the suspects — but few signs of criminal copycats.

"The FBI assesses the likelihood of violent conflict from the remaining group members or other militia extremists as low," according to an FBI intelligence bulletin obtained by The Associated Press.

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等译文！

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没有翻译这里的原文, 但我在这里 http://bbs.m4.cn/thread-235716-1-1.html 发了的评论贴.

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