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【09.07.06 BBC】在中国的三年(二楼附部分评论)

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【中文标题】在中国的三年
【原文标题】Three years in China
【登载媒体】BBC
【原文作者】James Reynolds
【原文链接】http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/jamesreynolds/2009/07/three_years_in_china.html


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好了,我在中国的工作结束了,整整三年,这是BBC海外记者的标准任职周期。

我想和大家分享一些我在任职期间经历过的事情,这些事情并非刻画出典型的中国状态,而仅仅是一些自己刚好碰到的事。


上访者

到中国之后不久,我去了一趟北京的一个所谓的上访村。那是一片破败、狭窄的街区,这个国家最绝望的人们住在这里,试图让当局听到他们的声音,并为他们主持正义。

在那里我遇到了一个男人,他向我讲述了他儿子被杀害的事情——到现在为止还没有人因此被判有罪。这位父亲坐在和其它两个人共用的床上,一边哽咽一边用颤抖的手向我出示他儿子遗体的照片。他要给我一份上访材料——40页装订在一起的文件,装在一个棕色的信封中。他希望我或许可以帮帮忙,我告诉他我什么也做不了,但他还是坚持让我收下这份材料。

大部分上访者抗争多年都没有收获,他们经常遭到政府的骚扰和拘留,政府仅仅是想让他们回家。今年早些时候,一位著名的教授声称大部分上访者都是精神病患者。

在中国生活的后两年中,我时常会看到书架上那位经历丧子之痛的父亲交给我的上访材料,有时也在想,他的正义是否得到了伸张。

很多人认为上访者的存在是因为缺少独立的司法体系,这个国家的法庭是在没有任何公共监督机制的状态下运行的。我从见过法庭房间的样子,但是值得安慰的是,有一段时间,从我办公室的窗户可以看到一座司法大楼——直到一座新的建筑物在我的办公室和法庭之间唯一的一片空地上拔地而起。

中国的很多家庭不得不把自己的痛苦埋在心底。2007年夏天,我前往中国中部采访一个事件,数百人被当作奴隶在一个非法的砖厂中劳动。一些人被关在地下的时间太长,以至于忘记了自己的名字。

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我遇到一个男人张百仁,他的儿子张智可失踪了,他想或许儿子就在获救的奴隶中。但是没有。

我问他有没有失踪儿子的照片,他说没有。这个家庭穷得付不起照相的钱。

一年之后,另外一些奴隶工被解救出来。他们希望失踪的张智可在他们中间,但是他们又一次失望了。

又过了一年,这个家庭告诉我他们已经放弃寻找儿子的努力。这就是他们无声的悲痛。


不同政见者

决定仗义执言的人必须要谨慎选择自己的用词。这里似乎有一个潜规则:你可以批评腐败和当地官员的无能,但是如果你想批评国家的主要领导人,或者你如果想建议结束一党执政,你就会遇到大麻烦。

2008年1月,我到南京去采访郭泉教授,他刚刚成立了中国新民党。我们坐在学校的地板上,他向我介绍他的党章。当时,我很吃惊为什么政府没有试图阻止他。但是在2008年11月,教授因颠覆罪名被捕。他目前正在等待宣判。(译者注:郭泉在2009年12月25日被终审判决颠覆国家政权罪名成立,判刑十年,剥权三年。)

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活动家胡嘉也因反抗腐败的决定而付出了代价。我第一次与他见面是在2007年底,他当时被软禁在北京的家中。他的妻子曾金燕正怀着孩子。她告诉我,一位警官就睡在门外,确保她的丈夫不会逃走。

他们的女儿谦赐出生后不久,胡嘉被正式逮捕,因颠覆罪名被判处3.5年徒刑。他目前正在服第2年刑期。

警方依然禁止外人接触他的妻子。她给我们发来一条短信,说当局允许他每个月看望狱中的丈夫一次。胡嘉因提名诺贝尔和平奖而经常被媒体提到。


经济发展

但是这些都是政府不愿讨论的话题。中国共产党更喜欢关注其在提高人民生活质量方面的努力,它认为经济发展才是衡量人权的更准确的标准。

近年来,中国通过与外界的接触而变得富有。这开始于1971年,当时,一个美国乒乓球队受邀来中国比赛。2008年,我采访了梁戈亮,他是当时与来访美国人比赛的中国队员之一。

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我见到他的时候,他正经营着自己在北京的一个乒乓球俱乐部。他当时还在试图推广一种新型的乒乓球拍。与普通的球拍不同,梁先生的球拍上有一个木制的镶嵌板,你可以把几根手指插入其中。在与我们司机的一边倒比赛中,他向我们展示了这种球拍。

一年后,梁戈亮说他依然在寻找商业伙伴来大规模生产和销售这种新型球拍。

在中国,你可以利用几乎任何东西来赚钱——包括这个国家最著名的共产主义者,毛主席。

我首先采访的一个人是雕塑家王文海。王先生擅长制作近代领导人的半身像,而且就我看来,他似乎对于日复一日地制作同一个人的雕像毫不厌烦。王先生最便宜的雕塑作品售价是200美元。

我们见面的三年之后,这位雕塑家回到老家照看他的母亲。他依然在制作毛的雕像,但是他说现在买的人不多了。

王文海回家的决定让他成为一个异类。中国有2亿人以流动工人的身份谋生——他们离开自己农村的家乡,到城市中找工作。但是金融危机让很多工人失业。

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陈中伟就是其中之一。今年早些时候,他从中国南部城市深圳的一家工厂中下岗。我在新年假期的时候见到他,他正在父母的小农场中无所事事。假期一结束,他就回到城市中找工作。但是依然没有找到,所以他现在又回到了父母的家中。

他不想在农地里干活。他这一代人已经长大,希望做一些更刺激的事情。

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陈中伟说他正在考虑向父母借钱买一辆车,经营运输业务。

他有选择工作的自由,他的父母从未享受过这样的自由。

三十年前的中国,共产党基层工作组会帮你决定学校、大学的专业、你的居住地、你的工作,甚至还包括你的婚姻对象。

近年来,政府在人民私人生活方面的控制有所收敛。但是共产党依然把持着一个权力——它决定一对夫妇可以生育几个孩子。中国的独生子女政策开始于1979年,全世界都知道的第一代独生子女现在已经长大成人。

这一代人陷入了一种少见的窘境,中国传统上对男孩的偏好造成目前有太多的男性在追求太少的女性。我是在中国南部岛屿海南了解到这一点的,当时我遇到了一位沮丧的年轻人,他无法找到合适的女人结婚。

即使是那些被人追求的女性也很难找到让父母满意的对象。2008年初,我采访过季楠,一位20多岁的独生子女,她正在物色对象。我们见面的时候她是一名建筑师,现在她在一家专门介绍时尚婚礼的杂志工作,仍然是单身。


北京奥运会

我在这里工作的大部分时间中,这个国家都在为北京奥运会做准备。

首都的出租车司机被要求穿上黄色的衬衫,还要上英语课。有一位司机曾经告诉我,他把英语考试的答案写在袖子上。工厂纷纷关闭以减少城市的污染。主办方承诺这是一届没有药物的奥运会。

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奥运会开始的一年前,我到中国北方去采访一位前举重运动员邹春兰。她做运动员的时候,被要求服用一种补药,她认为那是一种激素。服药之后,她开始长出胡子,而且健康状况急剧下降。

我见到她的时候,她和丈夫在中国妇联的帮助下经营着一个洗衣店。

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两年后,她告诉我,她的生意经营得不错,不需要任何经济补贴了。她和丈夫正在考虑开第二家洗衣店。

这对夫妇和其它中国人一起在电视上观看奥运会。中国称呼自己为“中土帝国”,在去年夏天的两个星期时间里,这个国家真的感觉到自己是世界的中心。

一年之后,北京的鸟巢奥林匹克体育馆变成了中国的威斯敏斯特教堂,每天都有数千名游客前来参观。

去年夏天,两名本来应当成为中国奥运会明星的运动员分别遇到了一些麻烦。

跨栏运动员刘翔尚未从伤病中恢复,他被迫在第一场比赛中退出。

他退出时我就在体育场中。相关报道的描述是,观众对于他的退出表现出“惊呆了”。我可以告诉你绝不是这么回事。当刘翔从起跑点退出的时候,体育场里没有人知道发生了什么事,我们都非常疑惑,而不是吃惊。

7英尺6英寸高的篮球运动员姚明——或许是中国最受推崇的公民——左脚骨折,有报道说伤势可能会威胁到他的职业生涯。

在2007年他春风得意的时候,我看到姚明走过天安门广场,后面跟着一群拥趸,这些人身高还不到他的腰带。

所以,这个国家不得不开始寻找新的体育英雄了。


共产党领导人

共产党已经选好了国家的下一任领导班子。2007年10月,我和数百名记者一起在人民大会堂见证9名新政治局常委与公众见面,这是共产党的核心管理团体。

新常委中包括习近平和李克强,预计他们会在2013年这一届领导人退位之后的十年里掌控这个国家。这两个人在第一次与公众见面时,大部分时间都静静地站在主席身后。

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我应该向你们解释一下政治局委员代表什么意思,可是我实在也不知道。中国给外国记者最好的待遇也就是草率地与领导人接触。

在一次接待非洲领导人的场合,我恰好和中国主席胡锦涛共处一室。签字仪式的时候,我因为随意讲话遭到了官员的严厉斥责,或许是因为我的声音干扰了官员写自己名字时候的注意力。

我与高层官员最亲密的一次接触是,商务部长薄熙来走下人民大会堂台阶时我试图采访他。他用不满夹杂着吃惊的表情看着我——在中国你不能做唐突上门采访。

当我们要求正式采访时,通常被告知通过传真发送采访请求。中国的政府部门在业务上似乎依然钟情使用老式的传真机。有时候我们的要求没有得到回复,通常都没有人理会,就像2007年我们申请逐一采访整个政治局那样。无论如何我们要试一试。

最让我们兴奋的一次是在今年早些时候,国防部给我们回了一个电话,一位官员说部里正在考虑我们希望与中国海军在南海出行的一个请求。但是5个月过去了,再没有收到任何消息。

极偶尔的情况下,国家领导人会与记者见面,但要以他们指定的方式。3月,中国总理温家宝举行一年一度的记者招待会。会议基本就是精心编排的照稿朗诵,感觉像是观看一部(主题沉重的)话剧。


四川地震

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在中国的这几年里,给我最深刻记忆的是我在2008年5月12日四川地震之后遇到的人们。

这其中有付学钟,他在埋着自己12岁儿子付天的学校废墟上放下一朵花,说:“儿子,爸爸永远爱你。”

一年之后,官方的调查结果表示,没有人需要为地震中大规模倒塌的学校负责任。付学钟告诉我们,他觉得再也没有伸张正义的机会了。

最后,我还记得14岁的李唐末和他7岁的妹妹青仪,他们的父母在地震中遇难。我在一个小体育馆的庇护所中见到他们,一个叔叔正在照看他们。他们在等着叔叔和婶婶决定要不要把他们带走。

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李唐末勇敢地告诉我们,如果叔叔和婶婶不想要他们,他和妹妹就要一起去别的地方。他边哭边对我们说。我在中国报道的所有新闻中,他们的故事让我最为感动。一年之后,我不知道哥哥和妹妹现在如何,但我时常想起他们。

这些,就是我在中国三年中零零碎碎的故事。
 楼主| 发表于 2010-11-14 23:04 | 显示全部楼层
部分评论如下:


2009年7月7日,Shanghai2010:

我爱我的祖国,我爱我们妻子,但他们都不是完美的。认为某个人、某个国家是完美的,可以算是一种妄想症。

有时候,我的妻子回家很晚也没有来电话——我会原谅她,因为我知道她很忙。

有时候,中国会做错一些事,我也会原谅它,因为中国有3000年复杂的历史、多元的文化和几乎无法管理的庞大人口。

有时候,我的妻子会抱怨我每天工作12个小时,没有足够的时间陪她。于是我就少工作一些,可是她又说我懒,不给家里挣钱。我不会原谅她这种伪善。

有时候,中国言行不一,做错事之后用谎言来转移别人的谴责,用老生常谈的“你们都不了解中国”来指指点点。我不会原谅我的国家这种伪善。

社会生活、政治生活和文化生活是同样重要的,不可以用国家的经济进步来证明某些地区的贫困现象是合理的。自豪地宣布这个国家的经济增长现状,对于一对每月收入200元人民币、无力承担体面的居住条件、无法保证孩子有一个美好未来的夫妇来说,根本算不上一种安慰。

我们的国家每自慢和防御心态淹没了。所谓“中国特色”完全是掩饰“中国做事”的谎言,只需要知道“我想要什么”。一个人如果想让他的儿子去国外读一所著名的大学,他需要打破所有的文化、道德和社会底限来达到这个目的,没人会质疑他这样做的决心。如果他决定抛弃文化障碍来达成,或者破坏某个商业协议,他会被认为是中华民族的英雄。

James Reynolds,谢谢你分享,有时候我们会付出自己的爱,但这并不表示它是完美的。


2009年7月7日,HongKong:

亲爱的James:

很遗憾你只待了3年时间。

这么短的时间里,我们很容易就了解到那些西方反共人群关心的问题,如果那些人看到你的文章,我相信很多都会改变自己的观点。不幸的是,你们这样的人最爱保守秘密。

遗憾的是你在3年时间里没有看到中国更多正面的事情,或许是因为你要回国,继续戴上有色眼镜的原因吧。我作为一个西方人,已经在中国生活了20年,我看到这里的人民和国家日益强大、越来越自豪。中国向外部世界敞开了大门,以前所未有的速度发展。数量惊人的中国人在全世界旅行,既有商业旅行也有休闲旅游,而且他们在有机会的时候也不再叛逃。所有人都看到中国发展的状态,并且愿意参与其中。

再待20年吧,你或许可以理解并看到这里真正发生的事情。


2009年7月7日,chantow:

我知道中国有很多问题,比如腐败、司法不公、不尊重人权、宗教自由问题等等。我想说的是,抗议和示威在中国这样的一党执政国家不会起作用,通常的结果都是被噤声。所以我们在与中国打交道的时候需要更多的智慧,让它感受到被尊敬,让它感受到民主国家的好处。我会英文和中文两种语言,我必须承认,一些英文媒体在报道中国时带有明显的偏见。中国通常被描绘成一个恶魔,试图榨干地球上最后一滴油、捞取最后一点点资源。18世纪的大英帝国难道不也是如此吗?英国现在是世界上最受尊敬的国家质疑,因为它尊重人权和自由。给中国一点时间,我有信心它会变得更好。过去30年里,中国在经济和社会方面已经改变了很多。没有人比中国人民更了解自己的国家。


2009年7月7日,shenyuan:

你在中国三年的大部分记忆都是负面的东西,我对此感到很遗憾。中国并不完美,但是比你博客中说的要好很多。

中国太大了,不可能哪里都非常稳定。它还依然很穷,无法满足每一个人的需求。中国遇到了一些欧洲国家从未遇到的事情,因此有时不得不采取一些特殊的方法处理这些问题,而这些方法从欧洲人的角度来看,有些是不可思议的。一些问题解决了,还有一些没有解决,这就是中国人和中国政府不断积累智慧的过程。我们前面的路还很长,我们试图用自己的方法来管理我们的社会,来改善我们的生活。但是我们不会照搬欧洲的做法,因为我们的背景完全不同。

那些在过去30年中来到中国若干次的人,他们见证了中国社会的变化。那些了解中国历史的人,同样也会了解中国的现状。而那些不了解中国、只对自己的社会结构满怀信息的人,我很抱歉,你只会看到负面的东西。你看到的就是你心里预期的东西,的确如此。

中国进入现代化社会只用了短短的30年,这30年见证了中国历史的伟大变化。和数千年历史比较起来,30年并不常,你们英国社会不也是花费了数百年才变得现代、富有智慧吗?


2009年7月7日,dazzleh:

我不得不赞同以上部分评论,你对中国的报道过于批判性了。有人可以揭露一些缺点是件好事,但是我读到的你的所有文章都只揭示了负面问题,没有与此相对的观点。这无疑更加让西方人加深了“又大又坏”的中国印象。

中国的很多事情处理得不好,就像英国一样。但是在中国和香港生活过一段时间之后,我可以说我遇到的对生活比较满意的人比英国多很多。我同意一般人都会对负面信息比较感兴趣,但是我认为你应当有责任在报道传达一些反应中国人真正生活的信息,可惜你没有做到这一点。我也可以写出英国类似的故事,比如警察在地铁中射杀无辜的人,之后没有得到应有的惩罚;腐败的政客吸干社会资金给自己建鸭舍;政府对饮用水的重大问题束手无策等等等等。的确,或许这些问题没有中国的问题严重,但是你在文章中提到的很多问题不比这些问题严重。不报道一些正面的新闻是没有好处的。

我希望你在中国的下一篇报道继续揭露这个国家的阴暗面,但同时还希望你能对这片大陆正在发生的进步和变化给出一些正面的赞扬。


2009年7月7日,Abbas1984:

我是一名荷兰人,也在中国待了3年左右,我和很多中国人一起学习、工作。我看到很多与我年龄相仿的中国人对西方媒体满怀怒气。他们中的大部分都知道自己的政府并非无可挑剔,但是我们的政府也是一样啊。我必须说,尽管你的报道中大部分内容都是真实的,但你有些过分关注负面信息了。

中国是个不错的地方,风俗各异,但是我很喜欢。我知道政府压制人民,不重视人民的意见,这的确会引来谴责的声音,但同时他们面对的问题,比如管理如此庞大的一个国家,也被忽略了。

我的确认为中国有一些人被忽略了,在街上随时都可以看到。但是对于中国这样一个庞大的发展中国家来说,有那么多贫穷的地区,这也是正常的了。

至于西方的媒体,我认为他们和新华社一样的诚实,其实是既不透明也不诚实。

中国人终将用自己的方式解决面对的问题,并且用自己的方式发展。人民的意见或许目前还被压制,但是没人可以阻止它的人民越来越富有智慧,接受越来越多的教育,所以中国会按照中国人自己的意愿发展。西方的媒体和人民似乎总是对此指手画脚,试图左右中国的走向,这是错误的。

就我个人看来,民主是个好东西,但是人们需要接受更好的教育来实现民主,在大部分贫穷的国家实施民主注定是要失败的。而且,世界上还有很多的“民主”根本毫无用处。最重要的是政府为人民谋取利益,我认为中国政府做得还是不错的。

改变很快就会到来!


2009年7月7日,2009LondonJV:

亲爱的James:

作为一名中国人,我感谢你对这些敏感话题的客观报道。这帮助我更加深刻地了解我的国家,尽管有时也会触动我的伤痛。然而,我认为,在中国的3年让你了解中国人是多么的自豪,多么的团结。我们虽然禁止来自外界的批评,但是我们内部也在谴责自己做错的很多事情。

中国有很多问题,我们看到了,而且我同意有时我们选择忽视这些问题。这让我也很愤怒,但是,外国人往往仅仅是因为我们的制度不同就加以批判(我知道这其实有更深层次的因素在里边)。人权就是一支枪,谁都可以从地上捡起来向中国开火。我很感谢你仅仅讲述了一些现象,而没有草率地把他们归结为缺少人权的后果。

在文章中你提到:“中国共产党更喜欢关注其在提高人民生活质量方面的努力,它认为经济发展才是衡量人权的更准确的标准。”没错,政府给我们造成的印象正是如此,所有人都这样认为。但是最近我开始思考,在一个条件较好的家庭中出生的孩子过上我们现在的标准生活仅仅是因为牺牲了一些人的权力吗?(我承认我有一个非常愉快的家庭,这要感谢我成功的父母和祖父母。)毫无疑问,穷富之间存在着一定的差距(尽管这违背了共产主义价值观)。我的问题是,一个社会发展到什么程度,它的富人才会开始关心穷人,就像西方社会那样?中国到达这个阶段了吗?我知道这听起来有些自私,但是设想一下,假如你刚从饥荒中幸存下来,饥饿感仍时时萦绕在你的脑海,总想着满足自己难道不是最正常的行为吗?中国人就是这样的状态。

人权是一个无法回避的问题。我在英国成家,我欣赏这里的体制以及人权受尊重的社会,我同时也了解到为什么人权在中国如此难以推行。我们悠久的历史中包含了数百起革命事件,在英国的历史中,革命并不多见。似乎对中国人来说,只要体制和君主有问题,我们就会推翻它,建立一个心地国家。革命的观念如此深入人心,以至于发展和进化的概念几乎不存在。这就是为什么中国政府要禁止人权。如果赋予人权,表示中央政府要面临被推翻的风险。由于皇帝和臣子都没有耐心来协商、解决问题以便继续发展,双方之间的任何矛盾都会引发革命的后果。在多年的战乱之后哦,大部分中国人都希望稳定地发展,和平是我们最渴望的东西。政府完全了解其中的奥妙,因此暗示只要人民不乱讲话,他们就可以得到渴求的和平。我们对繁荣、和平的渴望如此强烈,因此我们只有接受这样的条件。那些破坏规矩的人之所以没有得到同情和关注,是因为我们担心这些人会破坏已经到手的新生活,中国崛起会因此而成为一场美梦。

如果我以上所说给你带来我在替中国辩护的感觉,请原谅,这并不是我的本意。


2009年7月7日,XYHUANG:

James你好,

我觉得你让我更好地了解到西方主流媒体的观点,但是让我吃惊的是,这竟然是你写的报道。我的意思是说,这篇文章与那些从未来过中国的主流媒体的观点没什么区别。

我来自中国,现在在英国生活,在伦敦一家大公司做高级经理。在此之前,我是这家公司在中国的高级经理,直到2008年。所以,或许我也可以分享一些你所谓的“事实”。

实话说,根据我在中国生活的经验,我认为你的报道中大部分都是“真实的”。但我必须要说,你的“真实”仅仅是你或者其它人希望你看到的“真实”,这种因素有时会让你看不到其它的事情。在一个像中国这样的发展中国家里,你总是很容易就发现一些错误和坏事,因为对于有着悠久民主发展历程的西方先进国家来说,“发展中”就等于“问题”。在普通中国人的生活里,他们的确经历过你在文章中描述的情形,但是我相信这不是他们生活的全部,而且大部分中国人会赞同我的观点。在典型的西方思维模式中,你需要收集尽可能多的证据,然后才会有一个判断。那么如果你仅仅收集到部分信息,或者收集到那些支持你预先判断的信息,你会得出什么样的结论呢?

所以我们必须要问“你这篇文章想要说什么?”想想吧,假如有人把你的“事实”作为中国的真实写照,而且他/她又从未到过中国,因为BBC和3年的生活经历已经有足够的说服力了,不难想象他们会有什么结论。我认为这种“抄袭式”的思维对西方人是件好使,请对你忠实的读者负责。

很遗憾,你做的事情只不过加深了那种“我们了解到的是真正的中国(当然是被政府和媒体灌输的信息)”的想法,尽管很多人已经意识到“自己国家中流行的中国故事”与“在中国的实际经历”之间的区别。

总之,我仅仅是一个普通的中国人,只不过在国外的经历比大部分中国人多一些。我爱我的国家,当然也知道中国有很多乱七八糟的事情需要改进。如果你想和一个人交朋友,我不会到处宣扬他/她的缺点,因为我知道他/她还有很多有点,否则我就不会与他/她相处,除非你根本就不喜欢他/她。


2009年7月7日,dothiepin:

Reynolds先生,

我完全是抱着怀疑的态度读完你这篇文章。或许BBC与公正报道的概念有仇,甚至有时我觉得这个声誉极高的机构中的记者的职责就是歪曲事实。你有身处的位置让你有大批的读者,这是让人羡慕的,但正是这样的位置让你不能亵渎它。然而,我遗憾地发现,你亵渎了它。

我相信你所选择的事件对你印象极深,比如在城市中没有双亲独立生活的女孩,以及你在参加重要仪式时被禁止讲话的情形。我觉得这很奇怪。我在伦敦工作,我想你应该也在伦敦。我每天都会见到孤儿,几乎没有任何新闻价值。

我曾经因为随意讲话被赶出校区教堂,这也不是什么新闻,这和你因为随意讲话而被斥责有什么不同么?我并不赞同所谓的惯例(我不是基督徒),而你,如果我没搞错的话,也和中国政府不对眼。但是我们的不同之处在于,从那以后我学到了一些东西,我知道必须要尊重他人,即使我们不赞成对方的观点。很明显,你不但不赞成对方,而且缺少起码的尊重。如果你的想法是通过这种不尊重的行为,你可以达成一些更重要的目的,比如递交那位老人的上访信,我一定会对你另眼相看。但你的叙述似乎只表达了孩子气的不满,因为你被呵斥了。

如果这篇文章是你从前工作的一个总结,那么这是一篇糟糕的报道。每个国家都有缺点,有些多有些少,有些缺乏经验,有些还在发展过程中。但是他们也都有有点,就像上面很多评论者指出的。你的整篇文章只表现出对整个国家幼稚的嘲弄心态,而没有任何深入的分析,这不像一个BBC记者的所为。

例如独生子女政策,你认为中国实施这项政策仅仅是为了满足自己控制人民的虐待欲吗?还是因为战后的中国由于预见到食品的短缺(如果你不知道的话,中国有世界五分之一的人口),政府明智或者不明智地认为,控制人民繁衍的权力要比让这个国家沦落到只有富人才能吃饱饭的境地好一些?或许有更好的办法来控制人口增长,比如新加坡政府的财政资助措施。这是一个需要广泛讨论的话题,但是你根本没有提出讨论的必要。你仅仅把自己先入为主的观点作为事实施加给读者,而没有尊重读者的意愿去了解两边的观点,最终自己得出结论。

我希望你能找时间回应一些读者的评论,我还希望你能逐渐在事业中变得成熟,你可以学到很多东西,包括在背后议论别人会最终得到报应。


2009年7月7日,yifanwang99:

我认为你在大部分时间里保持了公正,尽管你的报道中包含了中国很多的负面信息。事实是,这里的确有很多(不仅仅是“一些”,也不是“哦,这仅仅是不完美”)的负面信息。比如腐败的司法体系、令人遗憾的专制政府,大部分人还不知道1989年到底发生了什么事,偏远省份的民族冲突、无处不在的警方暴行、以及骚乱等等。

然而,作为一名在中国生活过15年的华籍英人,我依然要指出这里还有很多正面的消息,比如蓬勃发展的城市、享受着自由和民主的地区(比如深圳和上海)、不断改善的生活质量,和前所未有的自由感(你自己应该也知道),还有一些党内优秀、诚实的领导人(当然还有腐败、糟糕的领导人)。

我的确在抱怨你过分关注负面信息了,但是在英国生活了10年之后,我认为西方媒体就是喜欢批评和吹毛求疵,对中国、美国、戈登布朗、乔治布什、奥巴马、克林顿都是如此。

祝你下一份工作一切顺利,我希望下一篇BBC对中国的报道还是以博客的形式出现。


2009年7月8日,beijing_2059:

我本来不向发表什么评论,直到我看到Black_wood的精彩发言:“……你给我最强烈的感觉是你似乎根本不喜欢待在那里。你的很多报道带有嘲笑的口吻,所表达出的感觉是中国全是灾难和怪异的人民……”

作为一个中国人,评论你的报道风格难免会有偏见。但是,从这名读者的反应中,我不得不恭喜你达到了你的目标,也就是向那些从未到过中国的人描绘出一副难看的图画。

在看过BBC那么多带有偏见的报道之后,我已经决定放弃与任何西方人争论或者讨论的希望了,因为你们自大的态度和优越感已经让自己丧失辨别真伪的能力。我要谢谢你,Black_wood,你改变了我的看法。就像中国一句古话所说“耳听未虚,眼见为实”。只有傻瓜才会被别人的观点牵着走,人们自己会得出正确的结论。


2009年7月8日,SYDNEY2009:

亲爱的James,

很遗憾你要离开中国。但是作为你的忠实读者,我想说我对你《在中国的三年》这篇文章略感失望。

我是一名中国人,在20多岁时离开中国到国外读书,现在我已经在澳大利亚生活了将近10年。10年来,我非常热爱英国的文化,并且坚信西方国家在政治和社会体制方面远远优于中国。但是,在我今年三月份回到中国的时候,在那里的所见所闻给我极深刻的印象。我的家乡在南京,这次我看到了许多小事情与以前不同,这些事情一直萦绕在我脑海中。我看到城里的树木被细心地保护着,有的被缠上绳子,有的围上木板。人行道的石板刻有中国古老的历史和故事。这些在人们的眼中或许仅仅是小事,但是它反应出,城市管理者在试图让城市变得更美好的同时保持独特的东方文化方面所做出的努力。当然,中国还有非常多需要改进的地方,但是我认为中国已经走上了现代化而又具有独特中国特色的道路。

中国当代的年轻人对多样化的生活方式越来越持开放的态度,他们有更大的自由来选择自己的生活方式。我完全理解,在中国彻底改变生活方式和实现自己的梦想依然要面临巨大的困难,但是我看到越来越多的年轻人勇于去尝试。我知道有些带有中国传统就业观念的人放弃了自己的工作,去追求自己的兴趣,比如自己经营一家企业。随着越来越多的人到国外去旅游、学习和经商,中国更加频繁地与世界交换着信息,不同文化和不同观点之间的比较是不可避免的,而且我认为,西方人也可以从这种比较的过程中受益。我来自中国一个普通的家庭,对我来说,在国外学习和生活不是可以用来亵渎的特权,而是一项有待履行的使命,学习外国的先进文化,自我反省,让自己进步。James,我向你保证,中国有成千上万的年轻人像我一样对中国和人类文化有同样的信心。所以,开拓你的思维,接受中国正在成长的现实,去感受它的文化。

祝你下一个工作一切顺利。


2009年7月8日,BeijingOwen:

James,恭喜你三年来的反华报道工作。我也是一个住在中国的英国人,但是实话说,我没有感觉到你在中国的报道有掺杂悲观和嘲弄的情绪。请原谅我的冒犯,但是我认为你根本不认为中国和北京有什么好事可以报道。我很确定,每一个在中国的外派人员都喜欢这里,尽管工资和生活条件不尽如人意(我自己外派的工资就少的可怜),但我们都喜欢住在这里。你的观点只会让我回家后对中国的了解变得一塌糊涂。“在20周年纪念日的时候,外国记者被禁止进入天安门广场……”所有外国人都被禁止进入,实际上是所有人都被禁止了!不要再宣扬中国不允许不同政见者的存在!我的邻居就是一名共产党员,我与他之间的沟通就像在家里和邻居聊天一样轻松。你为什么就不能承认中国成功举办了一届奥运会呢?你为什么不理解中国人就是喜欢一党执政呢?我想,所有自以为是的西方人都知道,民主和多党制只在基督教和古希腊式的国家才有效,你也一样。我个人珍爱我的投票权,我决定国家方向的权力,但这对中国不起作用!数千年来,中国(受孔子和帝国主义的影响)已经形成了一种单一精英掌权的体系,目前的状态只不过是历史的延续。尽管我自己认为这并不好,但我毕竟不是中国人。

我真心希望BBC下一任驻北京的记者可以公正、客观地看到中国的实际情况。如果更多的人看到你的观念并且信以为真,那么中国有可能成为英国落败的原因所在。妈的,如果有人付钱给我每周报道中国的负面消息,我会多么热爱我的工作啊!但是现实是,中国根本不像你描述的那么坏。

你自己也有一些评论,但是我感觉这些评论的负面因素还是大大多于正面因素,就像这篇文章下的评论一样。我祝你下一份工作一切顺利——我只希望你不要再扭曲事实,躲在BBC的黄金招牌后面靠感觉来发布报道。


2009年7月8日,tclim38:

所谓“自由媒体”的“自由”就是选择你想要的事实,忽略你不想要的实施,来决定报道什么,如何报道。这是我在西方生活30的观察所得。

说道“在西方生活”,上边的一个评论似乎是说,如果你在西方生活,你就无法否定James Reynolds的观点。这简直傻到家了!我简直不知道用什么不让管理员删掉我发言的方法来描述这种愚蠢的评论。

我觉得,如果你缺乏对中国语言、历史和文化的了解,这只不过是你下意识的一个反应。但是,如果“抨击中国政府”就是你的目的,那么你显然干得不错。

中国还尚未形成什么“实力”,更不用提什么“超级实力”,它甚至和日本还有极大的差距。

它是一个“发展中”国家(顺便提一句,它曾经比其它国家都先进)。今天期望中国达到发达国家的状态显然是不现实的。我不否认中国在很多方面都需要改进,尤其是“法制”。但是,你应当知道“发展中”是什么意思,它表示一个过程,而且不是一夜之间的过程。而且,中国人知道自己国家的所有缺点,他们比你们认为的要聪明得多。世界在变化,中国变化得更快。我希望你在中国的三年可以学到一点东西。如果你什么都没学到,那太遗憾了。

祝你下一份工作好运。


2009年7月9日,fengwang:

我刚读了读一些读者对James有关中国报道的评论,很多人在批评James的偏见,或者在反对中国的负面新闻。

我对此持赞成态度,James的确报道了很多的负面信息。但是我并不因此而批评他,因为这都是事实。

作为一名中国人,我们总是听到太多的经济发展,太少的问题,比如上访者、不同政见者。我们中国有很多值得关注的问题,包括极不完善的司法体系、环境问题、贫富差距、社会和政府缺乏公开和透明。

因此,我欢迎像James一样的记者在文章中讨论这些问题的细节,在BBC新闻中报道中国的问题。这样,感兴趣的公众才可以考虑如何做得更好。

但是我强烈反对BBC在2008年5月的一篇封面报道,记者讲述中国西藏的暴乱,提到中国警察殴打示威者。图片上其实是尼泊尔警察或者印度警察在尼泊尔或者新德里挥舞木棍,殴打那里的示威者。这是BBC对观众的严重误导,普通的英国观众不会轻易分别出中国警察和尼泊尔警察的区别。我反对中国政府禁止记者进入西藏采访的决定,但是我很告警政府在这次新疆暴动之后,开放给记者采访。让事实讲话,面对问题并想办法解决问题,而不是隐藏这些问题,这是向正确方向迈出的一步。

中国20年代著名作家鲁迅经常批判当时的中国,今天我们很多人都认为鲁迅是个爱国者。James批评我们,我呼吁所有的爱国者都尽一份力,让我们的国家变得更好。有那么一天,英国会从中国身上学到很多东西(但是不包括2008年北京奥运会。我希望中国在这次奥运会中有巨大的经济受益,但是我不知道。我宁可政府把这些钱用来做基础设施建设、改善教育和医疗难题,而不是用来修建体育场。)。那时候,James肯定会报道很多中国的正面信息,如果他再一次被派往中国。这是一个漫长的过程,但我满怀信心地期望着。
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And so, that's it. My time in China is up. I've come to the end of my three years here - the standard life expectancy for a BBC foreign posting.

I'd like to take you through a few of the things I've seen during my time here. Not a representative portrait - just some of the stories that have stuck with me.

Petitioners

Shortly after I arrived, I paid my first visit to a part of Beijing called the petitioners' village - a run-down collection of alleyways in which some of the country's most desperate people live while they try to get the authorities to hear their appeals for justice.

I met one man who told me of his son's murder, for which no-one had been convicted. The father sat on a bed he shared with two others and shook with sobs as he showed me pictures of his son's skeleton. He wanted to give me a copy of his petition - 40 pages of documents stapled together and sealed inside a brown envelope. He hoped that I might be able to help. I warned that there was little that I could do, but he insisted that I accept it.

Most petitioners campaign for years without any success. They're often harassed and detained by a government which would prefer them to just go away. Earlier this year, a prominent professor dismissed most petitioners as mentally ill.

Almost every day for the last two years, I've caught sight of the bereaved father's petition on my shelf at home and wondered if he ever got the justice he wanted.

Many believe that petitioners suffer from the lack of an independent judicial system. This country's courts operate without any kind of public scrutiny. I've never been able to see inside a courtroom. As a consolation, I was able to see a court building from my office window for a while - until a new building went up on the only empty bit of land between our office and the court.

Many families in China have to carry their own anguish in silence. In the summer of 2007, I went to central China to cover the news that hundreds of men had been found working as slaves in illegal brick factories. Some had been kept underground for so long that they no longer knew their own names.

I met a man called Zhang Bairen. His son Zhang Zhike had gone missing and the father was hoping that his son might be one of the rescued slaves. But he wasn't.

I asked the family if they could show me a picture of their missing son but they didn't have one. The family was too poor to afford any photos.

A year later, some more men working as slaves were rescued. The family hoped that the missing Zhang Zhike might be among them. But, again, he wasn't.

Another year on, family members tell us that they have now given up hope of ever finding their lost son. Theirs is a silent grief.

Dissidents

Anyone who chooses to speak out has to pick their words with care. There appears to be an unofficial rule here, that you're allowed to criticise corruption and incompetence among local officials, but if you criticise this country's main leaders, or if you dare to suggest an end to one party rule, you will get into serious trouble.

In January 2008, I went to Nanjing to interview Professor Guo Quan. He'd just founded the China New Democracy Party. We sat on the grounds of his university as he took me through his party's charter. At the time, I was surprised that the government didn't try to stop him. But in November 2008, the professor was arrested for subversion. He's now awaiting trial.

The activist Hu Jia has also paid for his own determination to campaign against abuses. I first met him at the end of 2007 when he was under house arrest at his apartment in Beijing. His wife, Zeng Jinyan, was expecting their first child. She told me that a police officer slept outside their front door to make sure that her husband didn't escape.

Shortly after the birth of their daughter Qianci, Hu Jia was formally arrested. He's now serving the second year of a 3 1/2 year sentence for subversion.

The police still stop outsiders from visiting his wife, Zeng Jinyan. She sent us a text message to say that the authorities allow her to visit her husband in prison once a month. Hu Jia is now routinely mentioned as a candidate for the Nobel Peace Prize.

Economic Progress

But these are subjects that the government prefers not to discuss. The Chinese Communist Party prefers to focus attention on its efforts to raise people's living standards - it argues that economic progress is a much more accurate measurement of human rights.

In recent years, China has got rich because of its engagement with the outside world. This engagement began in 1971 when a group of American table tennis players was invited to compete in China. In 2008, I interviewed Liang Geliang who was a member of the Chinese team which played against the visiting Americans.

When I met him, Mr Liang was running his own ping-pong club in Beijing. He was also trying to market a new kind of table tennis bat. Instead of a normal handle, Mr Liang's bat had a wooden panel in which you insert several of your fingers. He demonstrated this in a one-sided match against our driver.

A year on, Liang Geliang says that he is still trying to find a business partner so that he can mass produce and sell his new bat.

In China, you can try to make money from pretty much anything - including the country's most famous Communist, Chairman Mao.

The first man I ever interviewed here was a sculptor called Wang Wenhai. Mr Wang specialises in making busts of the late leader, and from what I could tell, he never seemed to get bored of sculpting the same person day after day. Mr Wang's cheapest sculptures were on sale for $200.

Almost three years after I met him, the sculptor has now gone back to his home-town to look after his mother. He's still making his Mao sculptures. But he says he's not having much luck in getting people to buy them.

Wang Wenhai's decision to return home makes him an exception. Around 200 million people in China here make a living as migrant workers - they leave their homes in the countryside to find work in the cities. But the world's financial crisis has caused many of these workers to lose their jobs.

Chen Zhongwei is one of them. Earlier this year, he lost his job at a factory in the southern city of Shenzhen. I met him during the New Year holiday while he was lolling about on his parents' small farm. After the holiday ended, he left to find work. But he couldn't find a job. So he's now back at his parents' house.

He doesn't want to work on their farm. His generation has grown up to expect to do something more exciting that farming.

Chen Zhongwei says he is now thinking of borrowing money from his parents so that he can buy a car and get work as a driver.

He has the freedom to choose his own job. That's something that his parents never had.

Thirty years ago in China, your local Communist Party work unit would pick where you went to school, what you studied at university, where you lived, where you worked, and even who you married.

In recent years, the government has stepped back from people's private lives. But the Communist Party still maintains one element of control - it dictates how many children each couple can have. China's one-child policy began in 1979. The first generation of only children the world has ever known has now grown up.

This generation has run into a set of unusual problems. A traditional preference for boys in China means that there now are too many men chasing too few women. A point I learned on the southern island of Hainan when I met a dejected set of young men who were unable to find any eligible women to marry.

Even the chased-after women find it difficult to pick someone who will satisfy their parents. In early 2008, I interviewed Ji Nan, an only child in her 20s who was searching for a husband. When we met, she was an architect. She now works for a magazine which specialises in bridal fashion. She is still single.

Beijing Olympics

For much of my time here, this country was busy preparing for the Beijing Olympics.

Taxi drivers in the capital were made to wear fresh yellow shirts and to take English lessons. One driver even told us he wrote the answers to the English test on his sleeve. Factories and building sites were shut down in order to clear the city's pollution. Organisers promised a drug-free Olympics.

A year before the Games began, I travelled to northern China to meet a former weightlifter, Zou Chunlan. During her career, she was made to take unidentified supplements. She believes that these were steroids. After she took them, she started to grow facial hair and developed serious health problems.

When we met her, she and her husband were running a laundry with the help of the Chinese Women's Association.
Two years later, she tells us that her business is doing so well that she no longer needs any financial support. She and her husband are now thinking of opening up a second laundry.

The couple watched the Olympics on TV along with the rest of this country. China calls itself "The Middle Kingdom". For two weeks last summer this country truly felt like the centre of the world.

Almost a year later, the Bird's Nest Olympic stadium in Beijing has now become a kind of Chinese Westminster Abbey - a national cathedral visited by thousands of tourists every day.

Since last summer, the two men who were meant to be China's Olympic stars have both run into problems.

The hurdler, Liu Xiang, has yet to recover from the injury which forced him to withdraw from his first race at the Games.

I was in the stadium when he pulled out. A legend has grown up that the crowd reacted to his withdrawal in "stunned silence." I can assure you that this was not the case. No-one in the stadium knew what was going on when Liu Xiang walked away from the starting blocks. We were all far too confused to be silent.

The 7ft 6in basketball player Yao Ming - perhaps China's most recognisable citizen - has now broken his left foot. Reports say that the injury may threaten his career.

In happier times in 2007, I watched Yao Ming walk through Tiananmen Square followed by a crowd of fans who barely reached up to his belt.

So, this country may now have to begin finding a new set of sporting heroes.

Communist Party Leaders

But it's already picked its next set of political leaders. In October 2007, I joined hundreds of reporters in the Great Hall of the People to watch the unveiling of the new nine-member Politburo Standing Committee, the inner circle of Communist Party rulers.

The new Committee included two men - Xi Jinping and Li Keqiang - who are expected to rule China for a decade when the current generation of leaders steps down in 2013. The two spent most of their first appearance practising standing still on stage behind the president.

I would love to tell you what the Politburo members are like. But I really have no idea. China offers foreign journalists at best cursory access to its rulers.

During a reception for a visiting African leader, I once got into the same room as China's president, Hu Jintao. But I was sternly told off by an official for speaking during the signing ceremony. Presumably the sound of my voice might have broken the officials' concentration as they signed their names.

The closest I've ever come to an interview with a senior official was when I followed the Commerce Minister, Bo Xilai, down a corridor in the Great Hall of the People. He looked at me with a mixture of discomfort and surprise - you don't do doorstep interviews in China.

Whenever we ask for formal interviews, we're told to send our requests by fax. Chinese government departments seem determined to keep old-fashioned fax machines in business. Our requests are sometimes turned down. They're usually just ignored, as was the case in 2007, when we asked for one-on-one interviews with the entire Politburo. We had to try.

Our most exciting moment came earlier this year when the defence ministry actually returned one of our calls. An official told us that the ministry would consider our request for a trip with the Chinese navy in the South China Sea. Five months later, we have heard nothing more.

Very occasionally, government leaders meet reporters - but only on their own terms. In March, China's Premier Wen Jiabao throws an annual press conference which is so heavily scripted and planned that it's like going to see a (very heavy) play.

Sichuan Earthquake

Above all from my time in China, I will remember the people I met in aftermath of the Sichuan earthquake of 12 May 2008.

There was Fu Xuezhong who laid down a flower on the ruins of the school in which his 12-year-old son Fu Tian and said, "Son, your Dad will love you forever."

A year later, an official investigation found that no-one was to blame for the mass collapse of schools in the earthquake. Fu Xuezhong tells us that he believes his chances of getting justice for his son have now gone.

Finally, I will remember 14-year-old Li Tangmo and his 7-year-old sister Qingyi, whose parents were killed in the earthquake. I met them at a shelter in a small stadium. They were being looked after by an uncle and were waiting to find out whether he and his wife would take them in for good.

Li Tangmo told us bravely that he and his sister would go somewhere else if their uncle and aunt didn't want to care for them. He sobbed as he spoke to us. Of all the stories I've covered in my time in China, theirs was the one which affected me the most. A year later, I don't know what's happened to the brother and sister - but I think of them often.

These, then, are the fragments of three years in China.

At 03:00am on 07 Jul 2009, Shanghai2010 wrote:

I love my country, I love my wife. Neither one is perfect, believing oneself, or others, or one's country to be perfect is often the sign of a delusional mind.

Sometimes my wife is late from work and does not call - I forgive her because I understand she is busy.

Sometimes China gets things a little bit wrong, and I can forgive China as a nation that is emerging from 3000 years of mixed history, cultural diversity and a population that is impossible to manage.

Sometimes my wife complains to me after I work a 12 hour day that I do not spend enough time with her, so I work less and then all I hear is that I am lazy and we have no money. I don't forgive her this hypocrisy.

Sometimes China calls itself one thing, yet does another, commits a crime and deflects blame with lies, finger pointing and the old false assertion that "no-one can understand China" I don't forgive my country this hypocrisy.

Balance, in domestic, social, political and cultural life is so important. Gesturing towards economic progress as a means of justifying poverty in certain quarters is no excuse. Proudly pronouncing the country's economic growth is hardly a comfort to a man and his wife whose 2000RMB per month will not afford them sanitary housing, or guarantee a good future for their children.

Much of our country is arrogance and defensiveness. The adage "This is how we do it in China" is a lie as "how we do things in China" really depends on "what we want". A man who wants his son to study in a great university abroad will break every cultural, moral and social norm to get what he wants - an no-one will think less of him for it. If he wants to throw up every cultural barrier to progress, convenience and ease to scupper a financial deal, then he will be applauded as a patriot and true blood of China.

Thank you for reminding us, James Reynolds, that while we can love someone or something, it does not mean it is perfect.

At 03:40am on 07 Jul 2009, HongKong123 wrote:

Dear James,


Yes, sadly you guys are only staying for 3 years which is a problem.

During such a short period it is so much easier to find and focus on current problems and issues that are still popular with the western worlds communist disliking hordes, many of whom would surely change their mind about China in a significant way should they ever bother to go there. Unfortunately people like you do very well at maintaining the myth.

It is sad that you I three years have not been able to see anything positive in China. Maybe it is about time that you went back to your own country and looked at it with the same tainted glasses. Having lived here for more than 20 years being a Westerner I have seen I company and its people grow stronger and prouder every day, it has opened up to the outside world at a speed never seen in history and Chinese are now travelling the planet in huge numbers both for business and pleasure and they dont defect or run away they can see what is happening and want to be part of it.
Stay another 20 years and your may have time to digest and really see what is going on up there.

At 03:56am on 07 Jul 2009, chantow wrote:

I know China has many problems like corruption, injustice policies, disrespect for human rights and religious freedom...... What I want to say is that protesting and demonstrating aren't going to work in one-party country like China, they are often end up being silenced. That's why we need more wisdom when dealing with China, show her respect and the benefits of being a democratic country. Being able to both English and Chinese language, I have to admit some English media is biased when they report news on China. China is often being portrayed as a evil trying to suck up every last drop of oil or grab any last piece of resource on earth. Wasn't the British Empire doing quite the same thing in the last 18th century? Now UK is one of most respected nation in the world because of her respect for human rights and freedom. Give China time and I have confidence she will change into a better China. China has changed dramatically for the past 30 years on economy and social development. No one understands China better than her people.


At 06:12am on 07 Jul 2009, shenyuan wrote:
I feel very sorry that the vast majority of memories you have about China in the last three years are on the negative side. China is not perfect, but better than you described in your blog.


China is a country too big to be very stable. She is still so poor that not everyone's requirements can be fully satisfied. China encounters some problems which European countries never encountered. Sometimes she HAS TO use some special methods to cope with these problems which sound unbelievable from a European point of view. Some problems are solved well but still a lot not solved. It is in such a way that Chinese and Chinese government gradually become wisdom. We are still on the way. We try to think out our own way to organize our society, we try to think our own way to improve our living standards, but we do not copy European way of organizing country because we have totally different backgrounds.

For those ones who come to China several times in the last three decades, they have seen how the society has improved. For those who know more about Chinese history, they understand nowadays China more. For those who do not know Chinese at all and too confident about their own social structure, I am sorry for these people, you can see only negative part about China. It is true that what you saw depends on your psychological anticipation.

It is only in the last three decades that China begins to try to be a modern country. The last three decades witness the greatest change in Chinese history. Three decades is really not very long comparing to her several thousands history. Your British society also takes several hundred years to become modern and wisdom.


At 11:40am on 07 Jul 2009, dazzleh wrote:

I have to agree with some of the comments above, that your reporting on China has been overly critical. It's good that someone has been able to report on some of the flaws, but every article I've read by you has only covered the negatives and has had no balanced viewpoint, perpetuating the western myth of 'big bad' China.

There are many things wrong with the country, just as in the UK, but having spent time in China and Hong Kong I can say that the people I met there are generally a lot more satisfied than those here. I appreciate that more attention is generally given to negative news anyway, but I think you had a responsibility to convey something of real Chinese life in your reports and have failed to do this. I could write similar articles on the UK, focusing on things like the police shooting an innocent man on the tube and the lack of subsequent justice, corrupt politicians syphoning off public money to pay for duck houses, huge issues with drink related problems that the government is unable to make an impact on etc etc. Yes, maybe some of these aren't as bad as some of the worst failings in China, but many of the points you make in your articles are no worse than these, and we don't have the benefit of any positive reporting to balance these out.

I hope the next reporter in China continues to unveil the dark side of the country, but also looks to make more complimentary note of the progress and change that is happening in the land they are a guest in.

At 11:54am on 07 Jul 2009, Abbas1984 wrote:

I'm a foreigner Dutch actually and have been in China for 3 years orso, working and studying with Chinese. I can see the irritation from Chinese my age with western media. Most know their government is not flawless, but then none of our governments are really. I must say that although i think many parts of the journo's reporting are correct, he does focus on the negative things a bit to obvious.

China is a pretty decent place to live, its different but i have enjoyed it. Although im sure the government suppresses people, and doesnt value much opinion of its people, its easy to always bash them for it, without recognizing the problems they face governing such a huge country.

I do feel many people are left behind in China, i can see it in the streets, but also this is normal in a country big as China still developing with a large part of the country still very poor.

As for the western journalism i think its as honest as xinhua's reporting

is transparent and honest..... not very much!

Anyways the Chinese will resolve their conflicts the way they do.. and will develop the way they wish and see fit...now people opinions might be suppressed but nobody can stop the people from getting smarter and more educated, so things will change according to how the Chinese want them to change in the future. It not correct for Western media and people to decide or always comment on how things are supposed to be.

In my personal opinion Democracy is good..but people need to be educated to have it succeed. If such a large percentage is still poor its bound to fail. Also there are plenty " democracies " around the world that are useless. Most important thing is a government is for its people, and I do feel the Chinese government is doing ok.

Change will come in time!

At 1:39pm on 07 Jul 2009, ghostofsichuan wrote:

The Chinese are the Chinese. Once again they have moved their rulers into becoming Chinese (the Chinese Way of doing things). China now looks like China has always looked, rich in Beijing and the East coast and poor in the West. The distinctions of rich and poor, powerful and powerless and the uneven hand of justice, combined with an intolerance for opposition. Corruption is the mainstay of Chinese business and politics and because of this the future is clouded. The West has sold its middle class and economic foundations for cheap Chinese labor and goods. China maintains relationships with governments in Burma, North Korea and Iran, not the friendliest bunch in world politics. The government of China will change or be changed as that is the Chinese way. The horrors of the Cultural Revolution remain in the minds of many and like the Great Depression in the West, that expereince will filter through at least another generation. China is like the atheletes you mentioned, great potential but hampered by injuries. The Chinese were captialist before there was the term and at some point will be democratic. Until that time I mourn for the people in the mountains of Sichuan.

I know a Han woman from Xinjiang, who as a little girl was taught ethnic dances by the Uighers. She always speaks so fondly and with such joy of that time in her childhood.

At 1:43pm on 07 Jul 2009, 2009LondonJV wrote:

Dear James

As a Chinese person, I appreciate your objective report regarding these sensitive issues. It helps me to understand my own country better although it does sometimes cause pain and ache. However I believe as spending three years in China you could understand how proud Chinese are and how we see us as a whole that we simply block any criticisms from outside even though secretly we blame ourselves for many wrongdoings.

There are many problems inside China. We do see them. And I agree that we try to ignore them. It sometimes makes me angry, however, that people from outside China pick on China simply because we have a different system. (I used simply here but I understand it is far beyond simple.) Human rights is a rifle that anyone can pick up from the ground and fire at China. I appreciate that you talked about issues rather than simply concluding it as the result of lacking of Human Rights. In your article, you mentioned,

The Chinese Communist Party prefers to focus attention on its efforts to raise people's living standards - it argues that economic progress is a much more accurate measurement of human rights

True, I thought. Thats truly a statement the government provokes and we, with no surprise, all believe in. But I started to question recently - is it only by sacrificing some peoples rights that people born in a good family can live in the standard we are now (I have to admit that I have quite a pleasant life, thanks to my successful parents and grandparents)? There is no doubt that there is always a gap between the rich and the poor (although it seems to be against the communisms value). My question is to what extent that a country grows or a society develops that people in the higher social position will start caring about the poor, like the West do? Is China in that stage yet? I know it sounds selfish but imaging you are just surviving from food deprivation, the memory of hungry stomach is still haunting in your head, is it a natural reaction of being only thinking about yourself? Thats pretty much the Chinese.

Inevitably, the topic has to come to Human Rights. By having a family in the UK I truly appreciate the system here and that each individuals rights are very much taken seriously into consideration. I can also see why Human Rights are so difficult to spread in China. We have a very long history and together with hundreds of revolutions something didnt happen very often in the British history. It seems normal to the Chinese that if anything went wrong with the system or the monarchy, we just overthrew it and then set up a new one. Revolution just makes so much sense that evolution barely exists in anybodys minds. Thats why the Chinese government prevents Human Rights. That giving individual rights indicates the risk of them bringing down the central power. Since none of the emperor and the citizens has patience to negotiate and wait for evolution, revolution seems to be the most possible consequence of any disagreements between the two groups. As the majority of the Chinese only want to progress and improve their lives after so many years in war, peace is something we couldnt want less. The government knows it and hints that if citizens follow the unspoken rules, they shall have the peace they long for. As we are so desperate to thrive, so desperate for peace, we have no choice but accept it. And the reason why those among us who want to abandon the rules or break the rules receive very little sympathy and attention is because we are so worried that these people will destroy our new built lives and that Chinas rise is only a dream demolishes as soon as we wake up.

If what I wrote sounds like defending China that please forgives me as it wasnt my original purpose.


At 4:00pm on 07 Jul 2009, XYHUANG wrote:

Hello James,

I think you help me better understand the common view shared by majority of western media. But I am really surprised to see the report from you, what I meant is that there is so little difference between yours and major reporters who never been to China.  

I come from China and now live in UK, and work as a senior manager in a big company in London. Before this position I was a seniro manager in same company in China until the end of 2008. So perhaps I could share my thinking about the 'Fact or Truth' you reported.

To be honest, I think most of your reports are ture or at least showing 'Fact', base on my experience in China. But I have to say, it may be only the 'Fact or Truth' you or people like you want to see. This desire sometimes blind you eyes to other things. In a developing country, such as China, you always find it easier to find something wrong or bad. Because 'developing' is always linked with 'problems and issues', according to the history of great democracy development in western leading countries. In normal Chinese people's life, they may experience something which mentioned in you blog, but I believe that's not the whole life for them, and the majority of Chinese people would share same points with me. In a common western thinking style, you need to collect data or proof as much as possible before you make a desicion, a conclusion or a judgement. So if you only have particial data, or only the data supporting your predetermined thinking, what kind of result you will have.

So we have to ask 'What's the point?' of your blog. Think about if someone take your 'Fact and Truth' as a good reference to understand China, as she/ he hasn't been to China before, due to 'BBC and 3 years in China' is so powerful and convinced, it's not hard to assume what kind of thinking will be adopted by them. But again I don't think this 'copy and planted' thinking is helpful for western people. Please be responsible for your loyal audience.
I am really sorry about that what you are trying to do is just to enhance the thinking that 'What we are being told about China (by our gorvernments and medias) are true and complete, that's all for China!', even though many people already realized the big difference bewteen 'the stories being told in their own countries' and 'their own experience in China'.

Finnaly I am just a normal Chinese but with a little more experience than average about life outside China. I love my country and also realize that there are many things annoying or need to be improved in China. If I want to make a friend, I would not think about and broadcast her/his disadvantage as wide as possible, beceause I know she/he has more good faces than bad faces, otherwise I could not make friend with her/him, unless you don't like her/him.

At 7:24pm on 07 Jul 2009, dothiepin wrote:

Mr Reynolds,

I read your article with utter incredulity. Perhaps the BBC has a casual relationship with balanced reporting, something which I think is the duty of any reporter, particularly from a body which is normally held in such high regard. Your position in reaching such a wide audience is a most enviable one, but it is a position that should not be abused. And I feel, most regrettably, you have abused it.

I am sure the events you chose to mention were very impressionable on you, such as a successful girl living in the city with no partner, or the fact you were not allowed to speak during an obviously important ceremony. I find that strange. I live and work in London. Presumably you have too. I see single people all the time. Hardly news worthy.

And I have been thrown out of a school chapel service for talking. Again, not news worthy. But there are similarities to my being thrown out as a teenager from the service and you being told off sternly. I didn't agree with the views of the institution (I am not a Christian), and you, if I may be so bold and suggest, probably don't see eye to eye with the Chinese government. But where we differ is that I have learnt since that incident. I have learnt that we must respect others, even if we do not agree. You obviously do not agree and even lack the most basic respect. If you thought that through your disrespect you could achieve some greater good, say, hand in that old man's petition, then, perhaps, I might regard you differently. But your account just seems like a childish and bitter because you got a telling off.

If this article is any reflection on your previous works, then this is bad reporting. Every country has their short-comings. Some more than others. Some are less experienced, still developing. But all have positive aspects, as many of your commentors have already pointed out. Your entire article showed a juvenile mocking attitude towards an entire nation, without any depth of analysis that one would expect from a BBC reporter.

The one child policy for example, do you think China introduced that for some sadistic pleasure in controlling its people? Or was it because in post-war China there were forseeable food shortages (one fifth of the world's population if you didn't know) and the government then, rightly or wrongly, deemed that it was preferable to limit the rights of everyone rather than allowing the country to descend into a state where only the wealthy had food for their families. Perhaps there are better ways to limit population, like the Singaporean government's policy of financial incentives. These are finer points of a broader debate. But you do not even introduce that debate. You merely state your prejudices as facts, without respect for your readers to read the facts and opinions from both sides, your opinion, before finally deciding for themselves.

I hope you will find the time to respond to many of your readers who have felt it need to comments, and I hope that gradually, as you mature in your career, you will learn, among many other things, that sometimes whispering in the back will result in a slap on the wrist.

At 10:44pm on 07 Jul 2009, yifanwang99 wrote:

I believe most of the time, you're trying to be impartial, despite your reports contains quite a lot of negativities about PRC. the truth is, that there IS a lot(not just "a little" or "ah, not really perfect" that's sometimes claimed) negativities in the PRC now such as the somewhat corrupt justice system, the unfortunately authoritarian government, most people still dont have a clue what the hell happened in 1989, ethnic conflict at far-away provinces, sproadic police brutalities, riots, etc etc.

However, having lived in China for 15 years and being a Chinese-British myself, I will still whole-heartedly point out that there is also a lot of positives, booming cities, certain areas do enjoy a degree of freedom and democracy (for example, Shenzhen, and to a certain extent, Shanghai), improving standards of life, and more freedom than ever before(which you noticed, to your credit), and some leaders in the party are good and honest(of course some are bad corrupt).

Sometimes I do complain that you focused too much on negativities, but having also lived in England for 10 years, I found that the media in the West generally focuse on scrutiny and criticism, on almost anyone, be it China, USA, Gordon Brown, GWBush,Obama, Clinton, or whatever.

Good luck in your next assignment and I hope that the next China Correspondent from BBC will also be writing blogs.

At 10:05am on 08 Jul 2009, beijing_2059 wrote:

Initially I didn't want to post any more comments here, until I read the excellent comment by Black_wood: "...What struck me quite strongly is that you never seemed to enjoy being there. Many of your reports had a sneering tone, and the impression given is that China is full of sad, weird people..."

I, as a Chinese, may be biased in commenting on your reporting style, however, judging from this reader's reaction, I have to congratulate you for having accomplished your goal of painting a grim picture of China to someone who had never visited the country.

I, after reading so many biased reports from BBC, was ready to give up any hope of arguing or discussing with any westerners, since the arrogant attitude and the feeling of superiority have made them lost the sense of justice. I must thank you, Black_wood, you changed my opinion. As we say in Chinese, "hearing is deceiving, seeing is believing". Only fools will be dictated by others view. Think and check for yourself.

At 2:36pm on 08 Jul 2009, SYDNEY2009 wrote:

Dear James,

It is sad to see you are leaving China but as an honest reader of yours, I want to say that I am actually a bit disappointed to read your article of 'Three years in China'.

I am a Chinese and lived in China till my early twenties and then studied abroad. Now I have been living in Australia for almost ten years. Ten years on, I LOVE English culture so much and had been a firm believer that Western countries are far better than China in terms of its political and social systems. However, I have been really impressed with what has been happening in China at the moment during my holiday trip to China in March this year. My hometown is Nanjing and so many small things happened to that city I have seen this time are still lingering in my mind. I have seen trees carefully protected with ropes and wooden frames and pavement cleverly engraved with anicent stories in ancient Chinese history. They may well be just small things in peoples' eyes but they are a true reflection of the efforts city developers are making to make our cities more beautiful and at the same time maintaining the unique oriental culture China has. Certainly there are still so MUCH to improve in China but I believe it is well on the right track to becoming a modern-yet-sophiscated-in-its-own-way China.

Young people in China nowadays are more open to the diversity of life and they have more freedom to lead the life they would like to have. I fully understand that there are still a GREAT difficulty of changing your life and fullfilling your dream in China but I have seen more people from young generation dare to live. I know people that have had traditionally-recognised-in-China occupations but they give up to pursue their own interest to run a successful business by THEMSELVES. With more and more people coming and going out/in China for travel,study and business etc., more information are exchanged between the world outside China and China, a process of comparing different culture with different points of views is inevitable and this is not only to Chinese people and I believe westerners can benefit from this comparison as well. I am from an average family in China and to me studying or living abroad is never a privilege to abuse, instead it is a duty to fulfill, a duty of learning the essence of foreign cultures, having a self-reflection of your own and redeveloping your own into a better one. James, I can ensure you that there are thousands of young people like me in China having the exactly same belief towards China and also human culture. So, open up your mind, accept the fact that China is rising and appreciate the other culture.

All the best for your next post.

At 3:41pm on 08 Jul 2009, BeijingOwen wrote:

James, cheers for your anti-china blogging all these years. I am also an Englishman living in Beijing, but to be honest I haven't felt any of the pessimistic and mocking attitude you have shown since you started reporting in China. Sorry if I offend, but it seems that you have nothing good to say about China or Beijing at all. I am pretty sure that every expat I know loves China, and regardless of wage/living conditions/etcetera (I personally am pretty poorly paid for an expat) we all love living here. Your views only help to taint the view of China I have to face when I go home. 'Journalists weren't allowed into Tiananmen Square on the 20th Anniversary'... No foreigner was! Hardly anyone was! Stop pretending China is a place where dissent is impossible! My neighbour is a CCP member, and I can air my views to him as easily as if I was at home. Why couldn't you admit the Olympics were good for China? Why can't you realise that a One Party System is what the Chinese are comfortable with? I think all self-righteous Westerners should realise that democracy and multiple parties only work in Christendom/Ancient Greece-style countries, you included. I personally love my right to vote, my right to determine my country's direction, but that's not how it works in China! For thousands of years, China (bound by Confucianism and Imperialism) has fostered a system where a ruling elite are in power. The current system is just a continuation of this. Albeit I personally don't agree that it's right, but I'm not Chinese.

I really hope that the next BBC correspondent in Beijing is impartial, fair and realistic in seeing what China is really like. If more people read your views and took them seriously, then China would be a lost cause to the British public. Damn, if I could make negative comments about China every week and get paid, I'd love your job! But the fact is that China is nowhere near as bad as you have made it out to be.

You made many relevant comments, but I feel that you made much more negative comments than positive, as do many commentaters on this thread. I wish you well on your next posting - I just hope its somewhere where you can't destroy the truth with perceived authority behind the badge of the BBC.


At 7:59pm on 08 Jul 2009, tclim38 wrote:

The 'free' of the so-called 'free press' also means you can pick and choose what you want, ignore what you don't want, to report, and how you want to report them, based on my 3 decades observation living in the west.

Talking about 'living in the west', one comment above seems to say if you choose to live in the west, you cannot disagree with James Reynolds. That's silly at best. I don't know how to describe it precisely without this comment being removed by the 'moderator'.

I would say you might not did it consciously due to your lack of Chinese language capability, and knowledge of the history and culture. But , if 'bashing the Chinese government' is your purpose or one of your purposes, you certainly have done a good job.

China is not a 'power', let alone a 'super power'. Not even close to Japan.

It is a 'developing' country (It used to be more powerful and advanced than others, by the way). Expecting China to be the same as other developed countries today is obviously not realistic. I don't disagree at all it needs to improve in many, many areas, especially 'rule of law'. Nevertheless, you know what 'developing' means. It's in the process, and you don't get there overnight. And, Chinese people know all the shortcoming of their country, they are smarter than you think they are. The world is changing. China is changing fast. I hope you have learned something in the three years in China. Sorry, if you have not.

Good luck in your next assignment.

At 12:38pm on 09 Jul 2009, fengwang wrote:

I have just read some other reader's comment about James' report in China, there are lots of blog commentor criticise James' Bias or concertrating on negative things happening in China.

I agree above, James did spend most his blogs in negative things. but I do not criticise James for this, Because most of those are ture.

as a chinese, we often hear too much about our economic prograss, hear too little about our problems, take a example of petitioners, dissidents, our China have too many problems need attention, far from perfect of justice system, enviomental problem, gap between poor and rich, lack of openness and transparenty of many areas in society, mostly government.

therefore, I welcome reporter like James write in detail in his blogs or speak in live reports in BBC news about China's problems, then public who interested can discuss how to change for better.

But I strongely disagree in BBC's coverage in some of its news coverage in May 2008, reporter talking about there is riot in China's Tibert, talking about Chinese police clash or beat demostrators, on the picture, it shows Nepal police at Nepal or Indian police at New Dehli to use their baton to beat demonstrate there. this is serious misleading BBC's viewers, a ordinary UK public would not easily recognize it is Chinese police or Nepal police. I disagree about Chinese govenment did not allow reporter to go Tibert at the time, I am glad chinese has learnt and allowing reporter to go to Xing Jiang this time, let the truth speaks itself, face the problems and slove them instead of hide them it is a step towards right direction.

Lu Xun, our famous writer in 1920s and 1930s often critise our Country at the time, but most of us today would agree Lu Xun is a patriot. James critise us, I call on every patriot do their best in their posts to change our country for better, one day, UK maybe learn a lot of better things from China,(ps, not beijing 2008 olympics, I wish Chinese made a lot profit from this game, but I don't know. I would rather government spend money on local community infrastructure, education and hospital than spending lots of money in those huge stadiums)that will be the day when James writing a lot of positive things about China if he is depoled to China again, I think this is a very long jouney, but I looking forward to it.
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发表于 2010-11-14 23:46 | 显示全部楼层
拿谁的钱帮谁说话,这对大多数人来说都是如此,所以我理解这位记者先生,顺便问候一下这位记者先生的家人。
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发表于 2010-11-15 00:13 | 显示全部楼层
她告诉我,一位警官就睡在门外,确保她的丈夫不会逃走。

可怜的警察叔叔
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发表于 2010-11-15 00:18 | 显示全部楼层
都看了一遍。受益啊
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发表于 2010-11-15 00:34 | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 无可就要 于 2010-11-15 00:37 编辑

这个作者绝对是心理阴暗,简直到了变态的地步,脑子被反共思维定式阻塞了,一切都为反共的需要服务

PS:
1,中国应该取消上访制度,这种制度完全是共产党自讨苦吃,吃力不讨好。有什么问题,拿出证据来,让他们倾家荡产请律师打官司去。美国就没有上访制度,有钱有证据就是爷。

2,那些不同政见者,有多少人是你们美国豢养的?你回美国问问中情局就知道了。别把我们都像你一样当傻瓜

3,反复强调经济发展是中国共产党没有倒台的理由,完全就是自欺欺人,你们是不好向你们的受众交代吧!一个被你们描绘成恶魔的共产党,居然没有像你们希望的那样垮台,反而带领着中国取得了惊人的成就。

4,“你可以批评腐败和当地官员的无能,但是如果你想批评国家的主要领导人,或者你如果想建议结束一党执政,你就会遇到大麻烦。”---------------真是笑话,中国人骂自己领导的话还少吗?并不是每个人都必须骂领导才能体现言论自由,我就很拥护他们,我没有理由去骂他们。难道我非得昧着良心跟着那些洋奴去骂领导才说明中国有了言论自由?我有没有不骂他们的自由?  我是个反美的人,这是我的自由,如果你不跟着我一起反美,我也认为你没有言论自由------这是不是太霸道了?你们就是这样做的。你们简单地认为可以骂自己的领导才是言论自由的体现(其实,我们也可以),但你们不允许质疑美国的制度是否是真正的民主,如果去质疑,就会被认为是政治不正确,被迫道歉,辞职,丢掉饭碗,或者还有更严重的,自己怎么死的都不知道。美国的一个国会议员仅仅是为了几句赞扬毛泽东的言论就被迫道歉,辞职了。
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发表于 2010-11-15 00:38 | 显示全部楼层
楼下的评论比文章本身精彩
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发表于 2010-11-15 00:47 | 显示全部楼层
LZ辛苦了
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发表于 2010-11-15 00:50 | 显示全部楼层
我理解这位记者先生为什么睁着眼睛说瞎话,揣着明白装糊涂,也顺便问候一下这位记者先生的家人。
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发表于 2010-11-15 01:04 | 显示全部楼层
我代表中国人问候一下TNN
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发表于 2010-11-15 01:32 | 显示全部楼层
楼主辛苦了
这么长的文章
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发表于 2010-11-15 04:19 | 显示全部楼层
作为一名生活在海外的华人,我深知我的祖国还有很多缺点和问题,但我知道世界上没有一个国家是完美的,我对祖国充满希望,我们的明天一定会更美好!!
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发表于 2010-11-15 05:42 | 显示全部楼层
最后那个奥运的钱真是主要为了修体育场,要那么认为就太搞笑了
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发表于 2010-11-15 08:22 | 显示全部楼层
有一个倒是实情 汶川大地震就是不肯追究责任人

删帖之前留名
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发表于 2010-11-15 08:34 | 显示全部楼层
不错,;楼主加油
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发表于 2010-11-15 09:01 | 显示全部楼层
回复 16# ggmch


    追究谁?你说清楚就不会被删帖了
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发表于 2010-11-15 09:05 | 显示全部楼层
楼主辛苦了

西方记者一贯的选择性失明,来中国三年,他看到只有这些?!特别是在对汶川地震的说法,那么多感人至深,全国人民同呼吸共命运的牵挂这汶川他的眼睛从来没有看到过?耳朵从来没有听到过?看了他的文章只感到人性心里的黑暗啊!
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发表于 2010-11-15 09:14 | 显示全部楼层
这个James Reynolds的博客之前还一直关注,现在几乎就是忽略了。狗嘴里吐不出象牙!
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发表于 2010-11-15 09:15 | 显示全部楼层
“就我个人看来,民主是个好东西,但是人们需要接受更好的教育来实现民主,在大部分贫穷的国家实施民主注定是要失败的。而且,世界上还有很多的“民主”根本毫无用处。最重要的是政府为人民谋取利益,我认为中国政府做得还是不错的。”
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