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我们善良到别人都不相信了(第一次翻译)

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发表于 2008-6-9 02:39 | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式
http://time-blog.com/china_blog/ ... d_that_talks_b.html

他是以讽刺的口吻写的,他根本就不相信汉人如此善良。

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His Holiness the 14th Dalai Lama is the most distrusted and disliked figure in China. He is seen as a double-dealer, as a man who says one thing, but does another, who keeps changing his position frequently depending on the prevailing circumstances.
But why????

Because of what the Tibetans did in Lhasa on March 14,2008, when there was large-scale anger directed at the Han Chinese and their property and thereafter in other Tibetan-inhabited areas outside the Tibet autonomous region.

Because of what the Chinese perceive and allege as the role played by the Dalai Lama, the Dharamsala-based Tibetan Youth Congress (TYC) and some members of the Tibetan diaspora in the West in instigating this violence.

Because of the alleged role played by Western--particularly American -- human rights activists and non-governmental organisations such as the US-based National Endowment for Democracy (NED),the Germany-based Neumann Stiftung (Foundation) and the France-based "Reporters Without Frontiers" in instigating, funding and encouraging this violence.

Because of what the Chinese indignantly describe as the baseless allegations disseminated by the Dalai Lama, his advisers and the TYC regarding large-scale deaths of Tibetans during firing by the Chinese security forces in Lhasa and cultural genocide in Tibet.

Because of what the Chinese describe as a mischievous, motivated and one-sided projection of the events by most of the Western media.
They do not hesitate to call the Dalai Lama, the TYC and their supporters as a pack of dishonest liars who have learnt the techniques of disinformation from their Western--particularly American-- supporters and funders.

They point out that while nearly 20 Hans were brutally killed by Tibetan mobs on March 14,2008--with some of them burnt alive-- there was not a single instance of retaliatory killing of Tibetans by the Hans. Even according to the Dalai Lama's version, the Tibetans who were killed died in the action taken by the security forces to quell violence by the Tibetan mobs and not at the hands of Han civilians, who, it is said, conducted themselves with great restraint despite the Tibetan attacks on them.

All sections of the Chinese one met were outraged that while the Western media played up what the Chinese describe as the baseless stories of the Dalai Lama's set-up, they blacked out the version of the Chinese Government.
Surprise was expressed over the fact that even large sections of the Indian media and analysts mainly accepted the Western and the Dalai Lama's versions, and ignored the Chinese Government's version or played it down.
The Dalai Lama--who is contemptuously referred to as Dalai or as the head of the Dalai clique-- is the most distrusted and disliked figure in China. He is seen as a double-dealer, as a man who says one thing, but does another, who keeps changing his position frequently depending on the prevailing circumstances.
According to them, the Dalai Lama openly talks of autonomy, but secretly asks the TYC to fight for independence, openly preaches non-violence, but secretly asks the TYC to take to violence, openly supports the holding of the Olympics in Beijing, but secretly asks the TYC to co-operate with Western--particularly American--human rights groups in sabotaging it.
How we can seriously deal with a person like him, who does not inspire confidence and trust, they ask. They are outraged by his demand for a Greater Tibet by merging in Tibet other Tibetan-inhabited areas of China, which do not now form part of the Tibet autonomous region and rule out even discussing this with him.
It is apparent that while they might be prepared to talk with the representatives of the Dalai Lama about his own future as the leader of the Tibetan Buddhists, they might not be prepared to discuss with him the future of Tibet.
They dismiss firmly any suggestions for a Hong Kong or Taiwan style status for Tibet under the one country, two systems formula. They seem to suspect that the Dalai Lama's strategy is to come back to Tibet under an agreement with the Chinese, re-assume his political role and create a Taiwan-like situation by introducing a multi-party liberal democracy on the Indian model.
The TYC is widely seen as a terrorist organisation no different from Al Qaeda or the Islamic Movement of East Turkestan or the Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam (LTTE). They claim to have captured arms and ammunition from the possession of TYC supporters in Tibet. The argument that the Dalai Lama is a good man, a great admirer of Mahatma Gandhi, a charismatic religious personality and has had no role in the radicalisation of the TYC falls on deaf ears.
There is appreciation of the stand taken by the government of India that it would not allow the Dalai Lama's set-up to indulge in anti-Chinese activities from Indian territory and of the measures taken by the government to ensure a safe passage for the Olympic Flame through New Delhi.
At the same time, one could discern an air of puzzlement over what is apparently perceived as the inaction of the government of India against the TYC--particularly some American nationals of Tibetan origin, who now seem to dominate its policy-making and activities.
The Olympic flame has been successfully taken to the top of the Everest. It is proposed to be taken across the Tibetan-inhabited areas, including Tibet, in the third week of June. If there is a fresh outbreak of violence during that period, one should not be surprised if the Chinese authorities take up with the Government of India the question of arresting and extraditing to China those whom they might perceive as the ring leaders of the TYC-sponsored violence.

留言:翻译
在中国,神圣的十四世dl喇嘛是最不信任和不喜欢的象征。他被看作是双面人,说一套,做一套。

但是,为什么呢? ? ? ?

因为藏人在2008年3月14日拉萨,此后在西藏自治区以外的其他藏人居住区时,他们的怒火主要针对汉人和他们的财产。

因为中国人得到的信息是,dl喇嘛,印度达兰萨拉为基础的藏青会( tyc )及部分委员煽动了散居在西部地区的藏人这种暴力行为。

因为中国人得到的信息是,西方-尤其是美国-人权活动家和非政府组织比如说以美国为基地的全国民主捐赠(NED),德国为基础的纽曼基金会(Foundation)和法国基于“记者无国界”在煽动,资助和鼓励这种暴力行为。

因为中国人坚定的相信,dl喇嘛,他的顾问和藏青会散布毫无证据的关于中国保安部队在拉萨大规模杀死藏人和西藏的种族文化灭绝的传言。

因为中国人将大部分的西方媒体形容为刻意加害,动机不纯和片面预测等。

他们毫不犹豫的将dl喇嘛, 藏青会和他们的支持者叫做不诚实的说谎者,有技术的造谣者,尤其是美国-支持者和资助者。

他们指出,虽然近20汉人被西藏暴徒于三月14,2008残酷杀害,他们中的一些还被活活烧死;却没有一个藏人被汉人报复杀死。甚至在dl喇嘛的版本中,也是安全部队为了平息暴动杀害了藏人,而不是汉族平民。尽管藏人攻击汉族平民,汉人仍努力的克制自己。

中国社会各阶层都对西方媒体很愤怒,中国将其称为dl喇嘛编写的毫无根据的故事,他们认为西方媒体无视中国政府版本。

事实让中国社会各阶层很惊讶,那就是甚至连大部分印度媒体和分析家,都接受了西方和dl喇嘛的版本,而不顾中国政府的版本。

dl喇嘛-被轻蔑的称为dl或dl集团领袖-是最不信任和不喜欢的象征。在中国。他被看作是双面人,说一套,做一套,不断视乎当时情况改变他的立场。

据他们说,dl喇嘛公开说谈的是西藏的自主权,但暗中要求藏青会争取独立;公开宣扬非暴力,但暗中要求藏青会采取暴力;公然支持在北京召开奥运会,但秘密要求藏青会与西方(尤其是美国的人权团体)破坏奥运会。

他们问道:我们如何能认真对待这样一个没信用,不值得信任的人。

他们对dl喇嘛的大西藏很愤怒:dl喇嘛要求将西藏自治区和其他藏民居住的非西藏自治区合并。甚至不愿意与他再讨论。

很明显,虽然他们可能准备好了与dl喇嘛讨论他未来作为藏传佛教的领袖。他们可能不准备与他讨论西藏的未来。

他们坚决拒绝任何将西藏变成香港或台湾的建议,既一个国家,两种制度的模式。他们似乎怀疑dl喇嘛的策略是要与中方达成协议后回来西藏,重新担任他的政治角色,创造一个台湾一样的情况,按照印度的模式推行多党自由民主。

藏青会被广泛视为一个恐怖组织,就像基地组织,伊斯兰运动的东土耳其斯坦,泰米尔伊拉姆猛虎解放组织(猛虎组织)一样。他们声称从藏青会在西藏的支持者处查获武器和弹药。有人认为,dl喇嘛是一个好人,一个像甘地一样伟大,令人钦佩,一个有魅力的宗教领袖。激进的 藏青会对dl喇嘛置若罔闻。

他们普遍赞赏印度政府所采取的立场:它不会允许dl喇嘛在印度的领土设立反中国活动;政府采取行动,确保奥运圣火安全通过新德里通道。

在同一时间内,人们可以看出其中的困惑。显然被视为无所作为的印度政府刻意针对藏青会 (美国的藏族侨民主导决策和活动)。

奥运圣火已成功地登上珠穆朗玛峰。他们还计划在6月第三个星期在藏民居住的中西部地区,包括西藏传递圣火。如果在这期间爆发新的暴力事件,如果中国当局与印度政府商谈好了,逮捕藏青会 并引渡到中国,如果他们被当作暴力事件的发起人和赞助者,大家不必感到惊讶。

[ 本帖最后由 espery 于 2008-6-9 02:43 编辑 ]

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发表于 2008-6-9 02:43 | 显示全部楼层
DL本来就不人,是只被别人利用的棋子
发表于 2008-6-9 03:01 | 显示全部楼层
这篇文章就像楼主所说以讽刺的口吻写的,他根本就不相信汉人如此善良。
发表于 2008-6-9 03:03 | 显示全部楼层
好事者就惊讶去吧!
发表于 2008-6-9 03:07 | 显示全部楼层
一个事实就搞定
藏青会的头头都是DL亲属,所谓的西藏流亡政府宪章第一条就是zd
搞定!!!
发表于 2008-6-9 03:53 | 显示全部楼层
:lol  是啊,我们自己都不相信我们如此善良,并且我们也不相信西方人是没有独立思考能力的
发表于 2008-6-9 08:30 | 显示全部楼层
是啊, 因为他们不够善良, 苏东坡和佛印的揭子就能解释为什么
发表于 2008-6-9 08:47 | 显示全部楼层
死去的人中有藏族的人,只是又被CNN掉了,又想制造民族矛盾。DL是个非常会利用媒体为他造势的人,西方话语权的垄断让咱们也没办法,沉默说你理亏,抗议就被安上“政府**”的字样。藏青会和DL无关?鬼才信!不就是会装善良吗?!
发表于 2008-6-9 09:03 | 显示全部楼层
哎,戴着有色眼睛来看中国,怎么会相信中国人善良,怎么会了解中国,很幸运外企在中国成功,但他们还是不了解中国人啊。
发表于 2008-6-9 09:22 | 显示全部楼层
西方人有脑子么?
发表于 2008-6-9 09:42 | 显示全部楼层
你放心藏青会闹不大!
发表于 2008-6-9 09:57 | 显示全部楼层
只能说西方媒体又要对中国发起下一次进攻了!
大家要准备好迎战呀!:Q
发表于 2008-6-9 10:44 | 显示全部楼层
关键是,善良首先是善对自己,然后才福泽他人。
其次是,我们得到的信息很重要。没有一个ZF或者一个政治家从来只说真话不说假话的。所以没有一个媒体可以光对别人说三道四而保持自己的干净。说白了,你和我,谁都不干净,就不应该再互相揭丑。
关键的问题是,ZF所传达的信息对一个国家一个民族的整体是否有利,是否站在多数人的利益上。我觉得中国是,而美国不是。伊战迄今没有给美国普通老百姓带来什么福利,而是满了大军火商等大资本家的腰包。
对于一个普通老百姓,特别是象我这样的中国老百姓,我觉得,我并不需要知道XZ的真相,而我只希望中国发生的任何好事和坏事最后都能变成让我们国家更强大的好事。如果ZF能做到这一点,即使过去和未来犯再多的错误,都是可以接受的。
失败是成功之母,没有人和ZF不犯错误。如果能因为错误而知耻后勇,比原来做得更好,那也觉得足够了。
善良这东西,我一直觉得对自己灵魂的升华远比因为善良给别人的帮助更重要。如果觉得自己是一个善良的人,自己就会觉得很幸福很舒适很满足,觉得这一辈子问心无愧,也算没白活。至于别人信或者不信,其实,真正善良的人不会在意的。
一个信任别人的人即使比一个充满戒心的人更容易受到伤害,但是从内心来说他获得幸福感也远多过充满戒心的人。当你充满戒心,即使你拥有全世界也不会快乐和满足,反而拥有越多越不安。
发表于 2008-6-9 11:15 | 显示全部楼层
文化不一样,他就体会不到我们的传统,我们的思想
发表于 2008-6-9 11:38 | 显示全部楼层
我还真纳闷了,中国的内政西方那么关心个什么劲,还真以为自己是上帝了
宗教国家就是狭隘,看看他们历史上迫害异教徒的行径,就不难理解为什么现在总看中国不顺眼了
发表于 2008-6-9 12:16 | 显示全部楼层
在我们眼里,根本就没有什么民族之分,全国上下各个民族是一家的。就像之前,有个人曾经发帖求助说,有个日本人问他为什么我们没有在地震中救藏民?这个问题本身就有问题。
救人的时候我们还要区分民族吗??我们救人的潜意识里根本不会去思索这个人是哪个民族,都是我中华儿女。
他们根本就没办法理解。
发表于 2008-6-9 12:19 | 显示全部楼层
真是可以状告那些国家干涉中国的内政。
报道就报道,处理的事就交给中国自己好了。说那么多,好象他真能管的上一样。敢把一根汗毛放进中国,你就等着瞧好了。还是好好嚼你的笔吧
发表于 2008-6-9 12:24 | 显示全部楼层
狼和狗有亲缘关系.狼食肉,狗吃屎.狼会吃人,狗会咬人.
发表于 2008-6-9 12:53 | 显示全部楼层
这是哪里的报道?
发表于 2008-6-9 12:57 | 显示全部楼层
西方列强有善良?有善良怎么老侵略别国,杀害别国的人民。西方列强太CNN了
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