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英金融时报采访社科院专家:两年内房价降一半

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发表于 2009-4-17 18:25 | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式
同学们帮忙看看,这采访的专家和说的话,靠谱吗?

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/9a36b342-280e-11de-8dbf-00144feabdc0.html

China property prices ‘likely to halve’ By Jamil Anderlini in Beijing
Published: April 13 2009 10:39 | Last updated: April 13 2009 18:19

Property prices in China are likely to halve over the next two years, a top government researcher has predicted in a powerful signal that the country’s economic downturn faces further challenges despite recent positive data.
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The property market, along with exports, were leading drivers of the booming Chinese economy over the past decade and the slumps in both have taken a heavy toll.
Cao Jianhai, professor at the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences, a leading government think tank, said an apparent rebound in the property market was unsustainable over the medium term and being driven by a flood of liquidity and fraudulent activity rather than real demand.
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He told the Financial Times he expected average urban residential property prices to fall by 40 to 50 per cent over the next two years from their levels at the end of 2008.
“Prices may not fall in the near term but I expect a collapse starting next year, followed by many years of stagnation,” said Mr Cao, known as one of the “three swordsmen” of the real estate market because of his influence as an official economist.
Average urban housing prices across 70 cities in China fell 1.3 per cent from a year earlier in March but were up 0.2 per cent from February, according to figures released on Monday by the National Bureau of Statistics.
That broke seven months of sequential declines and was accompanied by a rebound in transaction volumes.
Residential property sales rose 8.7 per cent from a year earlier in the first quarter in terms of floor space sold, compared with a fall of 20.3 per cent for the whole of 2008.
Real estate agents in the residential property bellwether of Shanghai said the market seemed to have bottomed out as a result of government stimulus measures, falling prices and pent-up demand from owner-occupiers.
But Mr Cao said preliminary government investigations had turned up numerous examples of real estate developers using fake mortgages to offload apartments on to the books of state-run banks facing enormous pressure from Beijing to rapidly increase lending to boost the economy.
Sales are also being driven by real pent-up demand from urban citizens, but Mr Cao said many were jumping into a false rebound because they had never seen house prices drop before.
Before widespread privatisation of real estate began in the late1990s, most city dwellers were allotted housing by their work unit or by the state. The first private home mortgages since the 1949 communist revolution were granted barely a decade ago by state-owned banks.
At a national level, average housing prices tripled between 2003 and the peak in mid-2008 and are now 10 to 12 times average income, which means 60 per cent of homebuyers’ monthly income must go to mortgage repayments, Mr Cao said.
The volume of empty apartments across the country hit 91m sq metres at the end of last year, up 32.3 per cent from a year earlier, according to official figures.
Those numbers included neither the huge volumes of completed real estate projects whose owners are waiting for market conditions to improve before they put them on the market, nor the estimated 587m sq m or apartments sold in the past five years but left empty by their owners.
Additional reporting by Patti Waldmeir and Michael Skapinker in Shanghai


Copyright The Financial Times Limited 2009
发表于 2009-4-17 19:18 | 显示全部楼层
帮楼主贴下译文,来自FT中文网:http://www.ftchinese.com/story.php?storyid=001025809

曹建海:中国房地产价格今后两年可能下跌一半
英国《金融时报》吉密欧(Jamil Anderlini)北京报道 2009-04-14

一位中国政府高级研究员预计,中国房地产价格可能在今后两年下跌一半,这是一个强有力的迹象,表明尽管最近有一些利好数据,但中国低迷的经济仍面临着进一步的挑战。

房地产市场和出口是过去10年中国经济繁荣的主要推动力量。这两个市场的暴跌已带来了严重影响。

中国政府的主要智囊机构——中国社会科学院(CASS)教授曹建海表示,就中期而言,房地产市场明显的反弹是不可持续的,这种反弹是由流动性和欺诈活动推动的,而不是出于真实的需求。

曹建海向英国《金融时报》表示,预计未来两年城市平均房价将较2008年底水平下跌40%至50%。他表示:“短期房价可能不会下跌,但我预计明年开始大幅下跌,随后是许多年的停滞。”鉴于曹建海作为官方经济学家的影响力,他被称为房地产市场的“三剑客”之一。

中国国家统计局(NBS)昨日发布的数据显示,3月份,中国70个城市的平均房价同比下跌1.3%,但环比上升0.2%。

这打破了房价连续7个月下跌的局面,并伴随着交易量的回升。第一季度房屋销售面积同比增长8.7%,而2008年全年下降20.3%。

住宅市场领头羊上海的房地产中介机构表示,在政府财政刺激措施、房价不断下跌和自住业者蓄积已久的需求推动下,房地产市场似乎已经见底。

但曹建海称,政府的初步调查发现,有无数例子表明,房地产开发商正利用假按揭,把公寓房产脱手到国有银行的账目上。这些银行正面临北京的巨大压力,要求他们快速增加放贷以推动经济增长。

曹建海表示,就全国而言,平均房价在2003年和2008年中达到顶峰的期间增长了两倍,目前是人均收入的10至12倍。


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至于这种说法靠不靠谱,今天有一位读者就此发表了自己的意见:http://www.ftchinese.com/story.php?storyid=001025877

房价不会暴跌的理由
读者:plantman 2009-04-17

FT中文网编辑:

读了《曹建海:中国房地产价格今后两年可能下跌一半》一文,我对中国房地产价格今后两年是否会象曹先生所说的下跌一半持怀疑态度。我觉得有以下问题先要解决,才能判断房产价格的趋势:

第一,就业重要还是房价重要?金融风暴到现在为止还没有看到止跌的迹象。我个人以为,由于中国基本处在产业链或是供应链的底端,所以我们对金融风暴的感受也会相对比较滞后,我们可以这么说,美国的今天是我们的明天。

目前我们只是刚刚进入风暴而已,离风暴中心还有一定距离。即使在这种情况下,根据保守的估计,中国也有2000万农民工失业。房地产业作为一个涉及到几十个行业的产业,一旦房价大跌,对就业和经济的影响显而易见。

我想说的是,房地产业是农民工最大的就业途径,这应该是大家的共识,那么政府力挺房价就可以解释了。因失业而导致的群体性事件多,还是因房价高导致的群体性事件多?前者导致的后果严重,还是后者导致的结果严重?这个我想大家不说自明。

第二,什么因素影响了消费的产生?很多人说房价跌了才会带动需求上升,能给消费带来好处。那我想说,中国人不敢消费的原因并不仅仅是因为房价高。教育、医疗、养老和房价四座大山压在中国人的身上。

就在这四部分里,我们按需求情况来区分一下:最刚性的是医疗,其次是教育,再次是养老,最次是房价。这个排序应该能得到大多数人的认同吧?

由此看来,阻碍消费最严重的是什么?今年我们国家最大的动作是什么?难道不是全民医保体系的建设吗?其实,从目前的情况来看,真正具备买房能力的,正是中国最具消费能力的群体。

况且,假设房价下跌50%,也是一次性的掠夺今后十年甚至三十年的消费能力。现在普通家庭买房哪个不是两代齐上,夫妻同心?下跌50%,也仅仅是少掠夺今后一半的消费能力而已。买不起的一样买不起,买得起后一样消费不起。

我以为,目前国家的政策已经非常明显,采用的策略就是宣传上限制房价涨,实际防止房价跌。淡化处理房价,重点整治医疗,集中精力保增长,保救业。在今后两年,房价极可能象股票一样,在一定的箱体内逐步下行,但是幅度决不会这么大。最终房价的问题应该在通货膨胀中慢慢消化。

以上是个人看法,仅供交流,并欢迎理性探讨。

读者:plantman
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发表于 2009-4-17 21:20 | 显示全部楼层

本帖最后由 saml00l 于 2009-4-17 21:24 编辑

房價跌一半不就間接把中國民間業主的財富除以二,更重要的是發言不當...接下來是資不抵債,房屋流動性成一滩死水,這三四年內那些建築商更不敢動...不敢投資...

您們打算用民間業主的財富的一半去仇富啊...



誰怕誰...中國就是不差錢...這些錢就是一聲令下不見几千億...太有才了...
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发表于 2009-4-17 22:14 | 显示全部楼层
发表于 前天 22:41  | 只看该作者
想想房价暴跌后什么后果,就知道房价根本不会暴跌。
房价下跌,地方政府收的地价款和相关税收会大幅减少,地产商收入下降给官员贿赂也少,银行贷出的钱承受巨大风险可能有地产商和炒家会把项目和房子扔给银行,银行不良资产大幅上升会引发中国金融业的危机拖累中国经济。
所以,综合起来,房价在中国大幅暴跌是不可能的。
政府只要控制住土地,就能控制住土地价格,控制住土地价格,在该土地价格上叠加建筑成本和其他相关费用后的房价基本就稳定住了。

发现这里的帖子很多只用同一个回复就足够了,说的都是一件事。
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发表于 2009-4-17 22:44 | 显示全部楼层
房价跌一半,书房里的专家?
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 楼主| 发表于 2009-4-18 02:23 | 显示全部楼层
那就是跌不了了?我家在上海,更没戏了。55555555555

还有什么环境舒适又安全的二级城市市区房价在6000以内的?
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