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发表于 2009-10-12 00:30 | 显示全部楼层
LZ加油!!!么么```

我要看骂咱们的言论,请不要迎客松哦~~~
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发表于 2009-10-12 13:34 | 显示全部楼层
是新华社的图片~
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发表于 2009-10-12 14:35 | 显示全部楼层
辛苦了LZ 问下 还有翻译吗
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发表于 2009-10-12 14:42 | 显示全部楼层
阅兵真的很美!相信中国能慢慢的赢得更多世界朋友的喜欢和尊重,这是一个和平的年代,防患于未然。
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发表于 2009-10-12 15:17 | 显示全部楼层
报告,发现一名台独:1121楼
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发表于 2009-10-12 16:18 | 显示全部楼层
很不错
不错的很
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 楼主| 发表于 2009-10-12 17:14 | 显示全部楼层
51.

Absolutely amazing photography! The synching of the soldiers walks is well in time, but in a scary way.
Posted by Edward Lui October 1, 09 02:21 PM

绝好的摄影技术!士兵的步伐非常一致,但是有点提心吊胆.

53.

Wow. Stunning photos. China has had some pretty amazing achievements, especially in just the past 20 years or so.

@17: Very interesting observation.

I don't think this is a celebration of communism, per se, but more of a celebration of human achievements. China is becoming more liberal (embracing capitalism, expanding trade), and the US has become more socialist (gov't bailing out companies as needed). Neither extreme works well in the long run, so maybe a well-balanced government somewhere between capitalism and socialism is the best solution.
Posted by spyra October 1, 09 02:26 PM

哇...很赞的图片。中国的造就了一系列成就,特别是在最近20年。

回17楼的: 非常有趣的言论。

我并不认为这是一个共产主义的庆典,更多的是人类成就的庆典,中国正在变得越来越自由主义(拥抱资本主义,扩大贸易),美国却变得越来越社会主义(政府救市)。长远来看极端的方式对两国都不好,或者一种间于资本主义和社会主义之间的政治制度是最好的解决办法。


56.

Funny, I seem to recall that the USSR had similarly impressive parades.
Posted by ja October 1, 09 02:32 PM

搞笑,让我回想起,所有苏维埃的游行都是一个样。

58.

#28
The train is not a chinese train. It's a (illegal) copy from Siemens, Germany.
http://www.transportation.siemens.com/ts/en/pub/products/tr/services/highspeed/velaro.htm
Posted by Guido October 1, 09 02:43 PM

28张图不是一个中国的火车,它是德国西门子火车的山寨版(非法的)。


60.

Look at the transport system in the city which wants to host the Olympics! Chicago's El. This makes China look like they're living in the 23rd Century. I find it amazing that I live in a country which still thinks a train built over 50 years ago can support a modern day Olympics. Laughable.


Posted by pk October 1, 09 02:49 PM

chicago-photo-elevated-old-howard-car-baseball-sign-at-platform-nice1.jpg

看看正在申奥的芝加哥的交能系统吧!这让我感觉中国已经进入23世纪了都。真是奇迹,我竟然生活在一个妄想50年前的火车能满足现在奥运会要求的城市...笑。


64.

WHOA! That's A LOT of people. I know they have over 1 billion people but jeez. We'd never see crowds like that in America.

The troops are flawless in these pictures too... kind of scary.
Posted by Ray October 1, 09 03:00 PM

哇噻!好多人啊。我知道中国有10多人口。但是,老天,我从来没在美国见到这么多人....

图片里的队列堪称完美...有点可怕。



69.

Those photos are fabulous! The colors and precision are so incredible! Beautiful!
Posted by Tomara October 1, 09 03:14 PM

图片很好!颜色和精确度真是难以置信!漂亮!


72.

Amazing Pictures!~Good color, good view. I just realized that China is such a big country! So many people!
Posted by Pitsbug October 1, 09 03:28 PM

令人赞叹的图片!颜色和视角都很好。我才意识到中国竟然是一个这么大的国家!有这么多人口!

73.

Great pictures! Great people! Wish you good luck forever, beloved China!
Posted by Waynewyt October 1, 09 03:29 PM

很棒的图片!很棒的人们!希望你们永远幸运,亲爱的中国!


74.

good job an picture
I m spanish but I watch this web every day

sorry for my english
Posted by guillermo October 1, 09 03:32 PM

图片拍得不错

我是一个西班牙人,但是我每天都看这个网站。

不好意思,我英语不是很好。
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发表于 2009-10-12 18:02 | 显示全部楼层
还想看评论啊  这比图更加吸引我
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发表于 2009-10-12 18:09 | 显示全部楼层
呵呵呵 图片比摄像好看
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发表于 2009-10-12 18:47 | 显示全部楼层
小尚辛苦啦*^^*
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 楼主| 发表于 2009-10-12 19:06 | 显示全部楼层
80.

@36 "that the west lost the game." - what game? Are you impressed by the military display? Well, did you see any aircraft carriers in these parades? no? That's because _they don't have any_. Even France has aircraft carriers. No, I don't think we need to worry about any Chinese empires anytime soon.

re pic #4: I'm not sure this counts as "formation". No offense to the PLA Air Force.

PLA-style marching is a lot wider than US - the arms swing a lot more, etc. Interesting look. Great pics!
Posted by ech October 1, 09 03:46 PM

回36“西方输掉了游戏”——什么游戏?你的想法被这个军事炫耀所影响了?

well,你看到这个游行上有航母吗?没有!因为他们本来就没有。你要知道,连法国这么小的国家都有航母。我认为,什么时候也不用担心中国能怎样。

回图4(直升机那张,一堆拍在一起,看起来是挺乱的),我不确信这个可以看做一个“队列”,对中国人民解放军空军没有任何冒犯的意思。

中国军队的行军方式比美国宽太多——两翼更多,等等,有趣的图片!


82.

Very militaristic display, yet very colorful. Its a shame that events like this have to be so much about military.

Funny that a country as old as China would celebrate their "60th" birthday. Seems like it should be 2660 or something.
Posted by KB October 1, 09 03:48 PM

非常军国主义的炫耀,尽管很美。一个庆典搞这么多人真是可耻。

这个国家庆祝“60”岁生日?真是搞笑,他们不是应该有2660年历史或者更多吗?



85.

The photos are great, but the regime is horribly repressive, capturing or killing anyone who disagrees with them. There's nothing to celebrate about that.
Posted by Florian Van Dorpe October 1, 09 04:21 PM

照片很漂亮,但是政权却是可怕的压迫...对于有异见的人不是抓就是杀。它有什么好庆祝的?


86.

reminds me of that saying: If somebody tells you you're "1 in a million" ..that means there are about 2000 of you in China!.

Amazing how all those soldiers in formation look SO alike!!
Posted by uber October 1, 09 04:38 PM

倒是提醒我了:如果有人告诉你,你不过是撒哈拉沙漠里的一粒沙...这个的意思放到中国就是,你不过是全宇宙里的一粒沙!

这么多士兵看起来都是一个样,真是神奇!!!



87.

Some of the pictures almost look like screenshots from Star Wars: The Clone Wars.
Posted by David Orme October 1, 09 04:43 PM

有些图片像是某部“星球大战”电影里的截图:克隆之战。

90.

Oh god, the comments are hilarious.
I especially like how China is bad for being militaristic, and yet it's not the one to maintain armed presence throughout the world.
Posted by danvolodar October 1, 09 04:46 PM

天~~,这里的评论真是可笑。

我特别"喜欢"那句,中国是军国主义,好像不是中国在维持着一个全世界无处不在军队吧?

91.

Hello Chinese censors! ...
Posted by Dust October 1, 09 04:49 PM

hello,你好,中国wangjian...


95.

dan un miedo...
Posted by charo October 1, 09 05:02 PM

他们害怕...

101.

umm why is empire state building lighted red and yellow? since when do usa support communism?
Posted by Rezwan October 1, 09 05:32 PM

嗯~~为什么帝国大厦要帝红黄灯?难道美国开始支持共产主义了?

105.

@79. China celebrate the 60th Birthday just for New China, since 1949, they got their Independence.
Of course China is over 4000 years old.:)
Posted by anna October 1, 09 05:46 PM

回79楼,中国庆祝的是新中国成立60周年,是从1949年获得独立算起。

当然,中国的历史有4000多年... ^_^

117.

Great parade and great photos. Actually the evening gala and fireworks are even more stunning. Wish more photos are coming...
Posted by Siegfried October 1, 09 06:24 PM

很棒的游行,很棒的图片。事实上,晚上的晚会和烟火比这更炫,希望会有更多图片...


126.

It is funny how many people here apply double standards when it comes to China.

I've seen French Bastille Day military parade, Indian, British... not to mention the American ones. People whistle, chant and get excited. Why when it comes to the Chinese PLA, it's scary and wasteful?

Well, I am glad that #38 mentioned the peasants who can't afford proper furniture. Well, to my understanding, even these people, who are viewed as being repressed, disadvantaged and treated unfairly, love the country and celebrate its achievements.

As a Chinese living in the States, I celebrated China's 60 anniversary with a bunch of other Chinese people in a bar in New York. I might be funny for you why someone escaped from a "repressive" country would celebrate the birthday of a communist regime. The answer is that maybe it is not that repressive. Maybe it is to some extent lovable. Chinese society, maybe somehow repressive in your Westerners eyes, has never been so open. Women go to work, participate in politics. We are educated to respect other ethics, and we are a big family.

I am not a huge fan of the CCP myself, but I have to say it has been doing a decent job. I approve it. I never thought of overthrowing it. Believe me, if one day Chinese people decide to overthrow the government, then don't underestimate the power of 1.3 billion people. Read some Chinese history, you will know how many empires ended in peasants' hands.

Anyways, I am never more proud to be a Chinese. I hope the country will grow stronger and contribute more to the world economy and progress - as what it had been doing in the last thousands of years.
Posted by MDH October 1, 09 06:55 PM

对于这里这么多人对中国实行双重标准感到可笑。

我看过法国、印度、英国...的国庆游行,美国的就更不用提了。都是人们欢呼,很激动,唱爱国歌曲。为什么这些事情到了中国就成了可怕的、浪费的呢?

不过,我很高兴38楼提到那些买不起家具的农民。以我的理解,尽管这些人看起来是受压迫的,又受到不公对待,很贫穷。但是,他们依然爱这个国家,并且庆祝国家所取得的成就。

跟一个中国本国的公民一样,我在纽约的一个酒吧里,与一群中国同伴一起庆祝新中国建国60周年。你们可能会觉得可笑,为什么一个逃离了共产主义政权压迫的人,还会庆祝共产主义国家的生日?答案是,这个政权可能并不压迫;也许这是个可爱的国家。也许在某些西方人眼里,中国社会是一个受压迫的社会,但是这个社会从未像今天这样开放过,女人自己有工作,可以参与政治。我们被教育要善待其它民族,因为我们是个大家庭。

我自己并不是一个热爱GCD的人,但是我必须要说,他们做得很不错,我相信这点。我从未想过要推翻它,相信我,如果哪天中国人民想要推翻这个政权的话,不要低估13亿人的力量。读一读中国历史吧,你会发现,有多少朝代终结在这些农民手里。

我从未像现在这样自豪自己是个中国人。我希望我的国家更强大,对世界经济和发展做出贡献——就像她在上一个千年里所做的一样。

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发表于 2009-10-12 20:04 | 显示全部楼层
拍得是挺靓的
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发表于 2009-10-12 22:06 | 显示全部楼层
看了英文评论我要说: 绝大多数的评论都是站在中国民众这一边的,都是赞扬惊叹此次游行和中国的快速发展的!  虽然大多数评论可能来自海内外中国人,但是可以看出评论者中也有相当一部分外国人,他们的绝大多数也都是给予正面评论的。我尤其为我的兄弟姐妹们自豪!! 用着不是自己母语的英语与那些带有强烈偏见,强烈种族主义倾向,顽固冷战思维或者愚昧无知的西人据理力争,特别是那些美国人,只会用媒体灌输给他们的老掉牙的标签,重复他们媒体的陈词滥调。依我看,只有到了主流西媒从业人员能用流利的汉语,能用对中国社会,文化,历史的深刻了解和理解 (不是肤浅的自我想像) 同中国人讨论,辩论时,我们才会对他们有点尊重。 目前,中国人只要读读什么CNN,BBC 驻京首席记者对中国的报道和评论,就知道这些新闻从业人员水平之低了。水平低可以提高,可是这些西人却又太多的毛病,譬如傲慢浅薄,种族主义和冷战思维,用阿Q式的自我欺骗来得到可怜的良好自我感觉,等等。

建议AC将不少好的评论发言归纳后,发给其它主流西媒,像纽约时报,CNN, BBC等等。不管他们愿意不愿意听,要让他们知道,什么叫真正的“民意”,什么是“Chinese public opinion"。
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 楼主| 发表于 2009-10-13 11:34 | 显示全部楼层
127.

whether China is right or wrong, shouldn't be judged by outsiders,
shouldn't be judged from what the mass media have commented,
shouldn't be judged by people who don't know the history and culture of China.
go ask someone from Tibet, ask someone from China, see if they really hate it.
Posted by icarus October 1, 09 07:09 PM

不管中国是对是错,也不应该由外人来评判,
无需由那些评论的大众媒体来评判
无需由那些不懂中国历史和文化的人来评判
你去问问那些从中国来的,从西藏来的人,看他们是不是真的恨中国。


129.

One word - scary.
Two words - beautiful & scary.
Posted by Itay October 1, 09 07:31 PM

两个字——恐怖
四个字——漂亮+恐怖



141.

wow. I never seen this millatry parade before. And there is so many peoples. How can they be invited? There's so many people!
Posted by John October 1, 09 08:47 PM

哇~~~我以前从来没看到这样的表演。这么多人啊,他们是怎么请到这么多人的?太多人了~~~!


151.

The US has the ability to put on an event like this, but there is no need to do so in the USA. The US military is still the most advanced in the world. China may have more troops, but they can't afford to feed all of them. This is a show for the countrymen and the rest of the world to show the military might and the people's pride. China took some major bows in the past 200 years. The country considers 200 years the "recent past". In the US 200 years is our infancy. It's not that Americans are too stupid or stoned (@43), it's a cultural difference of not needing a parade to display greatness. The US has many flaws, but so does China. Both nations still posess much greatness. As do all the different cultures of the planet.

Beutiful photos and very powerful representation of a great Nation.
Posted by Nate October 1, 09 09:25 PM

美军也有能力做这样一个阅兵,但是美国不需要做这些,美军依然是世界是最先进的部队,中国也可以有很多士兵,但是他们无法维系更多。这只是给国民的一个秀,向世界展示其军事实力,激发人民的自豪感。在过去的200年,中国承受太多屈辱。200年对中国不过是“弹指一挥间”,但是200年却是美国整个的历史。这并不是说美国很蠢或者很迷茫(43楼说的),这是文化差异,美国认为不需人这样展示实力。美国有很多缺点,同样,中国也是。两个国家都很大,文化差异也很大。

漂亮的图片,这也是对一个大国的强有力的展示。


159.

Wow, to all of you people spouting crap about being afraid. Look at any, ANY other nations military traditions and parades.

First of, China's equiptment is Old. It's not technologically close to EU or NA.

Second, they have no Aircraft Carriers. No real sphere of influence is possible WITHOUT one in the modern world (in a military sense).

Third, most Chinese people don't hate or want to destroy the West/America. In fact, NONE do, not even the government. Actually, most Chinese people don't give 2 sh!ts about the good 'ol USA, so shut the nonsense already.

This isn't scary. Chinese military parades to celebrate 60 years of The Peoples Republic of China, not communism. They don't invade nations, displace hundreds of thousands, aid oppression, and police the world.

You know what's scary? You twats think this is "frightening" and China has the world in it's grasp.

DO YOU HAVE ANY FREAKING IDEA HOW MUCH THE UNITED STATES HAS DONE IN TERMS OF WAR, DESTRUCTION, DEATH AND DISPLACEMENT IN THE LAST 9 YEARS ALONE? JUST THE LAST NINE.. Look up the Civilian casualties in Afghanistan, Iraq. Look at what the Israeli's are doing with our tributes to them, Palestine come to mind?

China is a saint in world affairs compared to us. Internally they have a conflicting history, but it is not our business or obligation to interfere with the internal workings of other nations. Ever.
Posted by Andreja Trbojevic October 1, 09 09:58 PM

哇~~~,给所有那些喷粪说“恐怖”的人,先看看任意其它国家的军事传统和游行去吧。

首先,中国的装备很老旧,没有办法跟美国和欧洲的技术相比。

其次,他们没有航母,现代世界,没有航母就谈不上有真正的影响力(从军事角度来说)

第三,大多数中国人并不恨西方或美国,也不想摧毁西方或美国。事实上,一个也没有,不只是政府。事实上,大部分中国人喜欢美国,所以不要再讲那些无聊的东东。

这并不恐怖,中国军队是在庆祝中华人民共和国成立60周年,并不是GCD,他们并不侵略其它国家,也不会调派成百上千的人,助纣为虐,也不想当世界警察。

你说有什么恐怖的?你们自以为是,认为这很“可怕”,认为中国想要得到整个世界。

美国最近9年在全世界打了多少杖?摧毁了多少东西?导致多少死亡?你们有过概念吗?只说最近9年就够了...看看那些阿富汗、伊拉克冤死的平民,看看以色列对巴勒斯坦的所作所为,你想过吗?

跟我们比起来,中国简直就是观世音了。他们自己内部有历史矛盾,但是这并不关我们的事,我们没权利在国际事务中干涉别的国家。没权利。


167.

symbol of unity , they did an excellent job.

I think this will scare the alien UFO away!

It is amazing how they can organize such event, I was amazed by the Olympic ceremony, now this!
When are we going to have something like this for US?
Posted by Jeff Stein October 1, 09 10:32 PM

民族联合的象征,他们做得不错。

我觉得UFO都会被他们吓到吧!

组织这么大一个庆典,真是太让人惊讶了,奥运会已经把我吓到,现在这个更甚!


173.

I first visited China in 1991, have spent many months there since 2004, visited 12 provinces so far.

The Chinese people are more vast, and more intimate, and more poignant, than most is the west realize.

Remember when TV was wholesome? Still is in China. Remember when you could walk the streets, any streets, at night? Still can in China. Remember when there was ubridled optimism about the future? Plenty of that in China.

I am more pro west than 99.9% of Americans, but I do not bash China. China can have a very positive place in world history.
Posted by cuff October 1, 09 10:51 PM

我第一次去中国是在1991年,然后从2004年开始,在那边待了很久了,我目前到过12个省。

中国人越来越开放、友好、敏锐,than most is the west realize(谁帮忙翻译一下)。

还记得什么时候电视都是有益健康的吗?中国现在还是。还记得什么时候能随便在街上逛,所以有街都可以,还记得吗?中国现在可以。还记得什么时候,我们都对未来抱有乐观主义吗?很多中国人都是。

我比99.9%的美国人都挺美国,但是我并不打击中国。中国在世界历史中会有非常正面的位置。



189.

believe spring brother,get all live
Posted by df October 1, 09 11:48 PM

信春哥,得永生.





从阅读量来看,感兴趣的人不多,暂时就更新到这里了.

原帖里有1160的评论,放到AC,就是60多页的高楼.感兴趣的可以自己去那边看:

http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2009/10/comments_china_celebrates_60_years.html#comments


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发表于 2009-10-13 11:40 | 显示全部楼层
翻译辛苦了。
提一点建议“As a Chinese living in the States”应该是“作为一个生活在美国的中国人”,而不是“跟一个中国本国的公民一样”。
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发表于 2009-10-13 11:56 | 显示全部楼层
believe spring brother,get all live
Posted by df October 1, 09 11:48 PM

信春哥,得永生.

这个.....
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发表于 2009-10-13 15:35 | 显示全部楼层
我也很喜欢看,楼主真的很辛苦
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发表于 2009-10-13 16:52 | 显示全部楼层
感觉我们好像都很变态,很受虐,非要看外国人对我们不好的评论。
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发表于 2009-10-13 17:23 | 显示全部楼层
一共有一千多楼呢,呵呵,谢谢楼主的翻译,很棒!!!!
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发表于 2009-10-15 00:07 | 显示全部楼层
信春哥,得永生.
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