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[国观茶馆] 要大国气度,不要封杀NBA!

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发表于 2008-5-31 16:46 | 显示全部楼层
封了个NBA就叫没大国气度了?
难道人家打我们嘴巴子,我们还把脸凑上去?楼主你太有大国气度了。请出门右拐,坐飞机去美国,那里NBA随便看,不负责任的言行随便整。
发表于 2008-5-31 16:57 | 显示全部楼层
现在ZD的势力就是以前大度出来的
还要再大度下去!?
发表于 2008-5-31 16:59 | 显示全部楼层
来而不往非礼也,他们搅一下,我们就封几天,如果他们不搅了,我们又开禁,这不是气度问题,而是有没有性格的问题,他们搅一下,改变不了我们的立场,我们封它一下,也改变不了他们的偏见--(从我们的角度是偏见,他们的角度就是正确立场),这种对抗是长期存在的,所以喜欢看NBA的国人这时候恐怕更不应该为自己的一己爱好而对ZF说三道四!说实在ZF也是蛮为难的,因为如果无所作为,恐怕又有人说ZF犯软骨病了!
 楼主| 发表于 2008-5-31 17:15 | 显示全部楼层
请不要把莎朗私通之流和本论题联系起来,她的言行已违反了人类的基本道德原则让人极度恶心,但我们并不因为唾弃之而抵制整个美国电影,更不会因为爱国而闭关自锁.我们应该用智慧和实力去争取绝大多数西方人的理解和支持,制裁教训少数顽固不化之徒.而不是到处挖坑,四面树敌,就象抵制家乐福一样,政府并没有组织,而人民自发的行动向世界表达了中国的民意.在是否转播NBA的问题上,用行政来做出决定是不合适的,一是对电视付费人的不尊重,二是对民意的不信任.如果NBA做得过分,我们会自觉站出来抵制收看其比赛,无论是电视还是通过网络.我承认我是篮球迷,但我不会放弃国家的尊严而去娱乐,如果CBA中国职业联赛运动和转播都能达到世界顶级水平,谁还会去关心是否封杀NBA呢?我相信支持封杀的朋友很多都不是球迷,就没有考虑到篮球运动本身的因素.

其实这个话题包含两个方面:
一是中国与NBA,二是中国与达尔富尔,有对这两方面有见解的朋友请多给以指教.


虽然有部分NBA高层人士和球员支持纽布尔的立场,但应该看到还有许多人是反对或规避的,请看看有影响的顶级球星他们因为没有参加签名而受到了什么样的压力:

当勒布朗。詹姆斯走进我们在华盛顿特区四季酒店的演播室的时候,我们并不知道这位克里夫兰骑士队的超级明星将会说什么。我们要求采访的是关于我们“球场外”节目中关于NBA球员的政治观点,尤其希望知道他为什么拒绝在他的队友Ira Newble一年前就谴责中国在苏丹种族屠杀问题中的立场的信上签字。

当NEWBLE将信拿出来的时候,詹姆斯说他并没有掌握足够的信息来就这个问题发表看法,更别说在任何事情上签字了。为此,他在美国全国都受到了来自权威者,专栏作家,以及社会观察家们的谴责。他们都将詹姆斯描述成一个贪婪的,被惯坏的球员,更关注自己在中国市场的利益,而不是据说高达40万的在达尔富尔被屠杀的非阿拉伯人口。

毫无疑问,中国的人权纪录问题曾经是,现在也仍然是一个敏感的问题,尤其对詹姆斯的老板,NBA来说。NBA已经关注中国超过20年了,另外还要加上詹姆斯与NIKE的9000万美元合同,他们在巨大的中国市场上有自己独特的设计。在那里詹姆斯被疯狂地追捧,他已经有了两款只为中国市场设计的球鞋,在上海还有他自己的博物馆,里面充满了关于他生活的艺术品,包括他出生证明的复印件。目前,中国据估计有3亿篮球迷--等同于全美的人口。

这些都是很重要的问题。

。。。。

中国,西藏和达尔富尔离任何NBA城市都有半个地球那么远,但是随着NBA进入中国,以及北京夏季奥运会临近,关于中国在西藏和达尔富尔问题上的角色这个问题正在获得越来越多的关注。问题将会被提出。

。。。。

所以NEWBLE对中国政府写了一篇公开信,质问其如何可以在”与苏丹的可怕屠杀和破坏串通一气的时候“举办一次奥运会。然后他集合了他的骑士队友,告诉他们中国从苏丹购买石油,出售武器给苏丹政府,而苏丹政府正在屠杀和虐待不计其数的无辜人民。对于大多数人来说,这都是一个震惊的揭示,NEWBLE说。许多人甚至没听说过达尔富尔。他在他们的更衣室椅子上留下了小册子,详细阐述了证据,要求他们看看这些信息,如果有问题的话可以找他。

他的队友们也被震惊了,NEWBLE说,因为整体而言他在队中是个安静的人。但是这不一样,他解释道,是一个迫使他说话和做事的事件。而且他们倾听了,除了三位球员之外,骑士队全队都签署了公开信--达蒙。琼斯与一家中国鞋厂有合同,戴维斯。韦斯利正在请假,而詹姆斯只是说他知道的还不够多。

“我告诉他的和我告诉其他人的一样多,只是我理解作为勒布朗,你有很多可能会失去。”NEWBLE说。“你不能随便把你的名字放在什么东西上。所以你必须自己研究,尽量多地获得信息,教育你自己,然后如果你愿意签名,来找我。他回来了,我们讨论了一些,但是最终他决定不在信上签名,这是他的决定。我尊重他当时的决定。”

NEWBLE的信上了新闻,但是詹姆斯没有签引起了更大关注。这些在马刺对骑士的总决赛开始前夕发生,突然间詹姆斯被归入了那类“什么也不知道,什么也不关心”的类别。

当我们在几个月前与骑士队媒体部门联系时,询问是否可以就那封公开信采访詹姆斯,我们被告知他将会选择时间就此发表看法,仅仅“不是现在”。

。。。

NEWBLE的努力最终使他加入了一个以洛杉矶为基地的Aid Still Required组织,该组织致力于要求NBA球员公开发表看法,以迫使中国政府考虑其在达尔富尔问题上的立场。菲尼克斯太阳队后卫纳什立刻答应了。相对于大多数NBA球员来说,纳什都更敢于发表评论。他公开谴责了伊拉克战争,并且说他反对中国政府的做法,并且自己并不害怕说出来,但是可以理解为什么一些人害怕。

“我对所有人都给这些年轻的运动员施加压力有些看法。他们用一生时间来训练以参加奥运会。”纳什说。“迫使他们承担抵制的责任或者选择一个立场是不对的。”

湖人队后卫科比。布莱恩特,联盟现任MVP,也做出了公开表态。他的表态是第一个被AID STILL REQUIRED公布的,引起了全国的注意。但是当我们联系科比的经纪人询问科比是否愿意就此问题接受“球场外”节目采访时,我们被拒绝了,因为“这个问题可能引起太大的争议。“

休斯顿火箭队拒绝发表评论,但是有不同的原因。姚明是他们的球员,他们说他们做出的任何评论可能在中国被错误解读,然后事情会对姚明很不利。

克里斯。保罗愿意与我们谈话,但是承认他并不是很清楚中国发生的事情,决定更关注离家近一些的问题,比如帮助重建新奥尔良。大多数NBA球员都选择支持家乡的事情,巴克利对此表示理解。

“我不支持当你自己的房子还脏这的时候,去帮别人打扫房间。”他说。“这些人拥有一个学习的好机会,他们应该了解中国,了解达尔富尔,了解苏丹。他们当然应该。但是我肯定他们在洛杉矶有自己的问题,而我去过克里夫兰,那里就够詹姆斯忙的了。”
。。。。
詹姆斯走进了房间,坐下,我们很快就知道他不会就这个问题有任何保留。

詹姆斯告诉我们他去年花时间教育自己有关中国的事情。他意识到他的声音是有力的,并且可以被听到。他还没有签那封信,但是他说他讲继续在奥运会接近的时候就冲突发表看法。他说他希望NBA的奥运选手可以团结起来,制定计划,考虑如何改变形势。”我们讨论的是人权问题。“他说。”人们需要理解的是人权,和人的生命正在处于危险之中。我们不是在讨论合同,不是在讨论金钱,我们是在讨论人的生命正在失去,对我来说这笔一些钱或者合同重要的多。“

可能NEWBLE已经成功地达到了自己的目的,他得到了勒布朗的注意和支持,尽管没有他的签名。再过几个月,詹姆斯将在世界上最大的球场上,面对世界上最多的观众打球。他在那时将说什么,我们拭目以待,但是舞台已经搭好。


LeBron speaking out on Darfur

When LeBron James walked into our makeshift studio at the Four Seasons Hotel in Washington, D.C., we had no idea what the Cleveland Cavaliers' superstar forward was going to say. We had asked for the interview for our "Outside the Lines" story on NBA athletes and political activism, specifically to see if he'd address why he declined to sign then teammate Ira Newble's letter a year ago, condemning China for its role in the genocide in Darfur.



At the time Newble presented the letter, James said he didn't have enough information to speak on the issue, let alone sign anything. And he was ripped from coast to coast, by pundits, columnists and social observers. They all characterized James as a greedy, spoiled athlete who cared more about his business interests in China than the slaughter of a reported 400,000 non-Arabs in Darfur.



To be sure, China's record on human rights issues was, and remains, a sensitive topic, especially for James' employer, the NBA, which has had its eyes on China for more than 20 years. And then add the pressure of James' $90 million contract with Nike, which has its own designs on the vast Chinese market. James is so wildly popular there that he already has two China-only marketed shoes and his own museum in Shanghai, filled with artifacts from his life, including a copy of his birth certificate. And right now, China estimates it has 300 million basketball fans -- the same amount as the entire population in the United States.



That's a lot of feet to cover.



And so when Newble approached James last spring, he paused, because he said he didn't know enough about the situation. And now he was sitting down in front of our cameras after agreeing to address the issue. So would he actually decide to speak out on something as horrific as genocide, or would he be like Mike (Jordan)?




It was Michael Jordan who, many observers feel, paved the way for star athletes to be apolitical. Back in 1990, he famously declined to back a Democratic African-American senate candidate in his home state of North Carolina by saying, "Republicans buy sneakers, too."



During his career, Jordan crafted a blueprint for commercial and endorsement success by declining to take a stance on anything controversial or even slightly political and the younger generation listened. Want to be like Mike? Then do like Mike.



"Within this group of young athletes, this whole age group, there is a huge vacuum of being apolitical on global issues," said Kenneth Shropshire, director of the Wharton Sports Business Initiative at the University of Pennsylvania. "I am sure that many athletes today still look to Jordan and say, 'How did he do it?' and 'I can take those same steps.' It's not going to be helpful to whatever endorsement opportunities you might have to be politically active."



Shropshire and others point out that the images of athletes as political activists we recall most -- Tommie Smith's and John Carlos' gloved fists on the 1968 medal stand, Muhammad Ali's refusal to enter the draft in 1967, and Arthur Ashe being arrested outside the South African embassy in Washington, D.C. -- were all related to issues that directly affected those athletes in a much more personal way.

Today is a different era with a far different political climate.



"If somebody said, 'Hey, Charles, you can't stay at the Four Seasons,'" explains former NBA MVP Charles Barkley, who is now an analyst for TNT, "or 'You can't eat up here at this restaurant,' now I can understand that. That's activism."



China, Tibet and Darfur are literally half a world away from any NBA city. But as the NBA makes inroads into China and as the Olympic Summer Games in Beijing near, the issue of China's roles in Tibet and Darfur is drawing a lot of attention. And questions will be asked.



Los Angeles Lakers reserve forward Ira Newble, who played with James' Cavaliers from 2003 until he was traded to Seattle this season (later signing with the Lakers), believes he has some of the answers. Last spring he read about the genocide in Darfur in a newspaper, investigated a little and became outraged by the lack of awareness in this country.



"I turned on the TV watching CNN and all I saw was about Paris Hilton and Anna Nicole Smith and things of that [nature] that were dominating the news at the time. I really couldn't believe that I didn't hear anything about what was going on in Sudan, so I decided at that point to get involved."

Newble was raised to use his voice and influence to try to make a difference. His father was a civil rights worker in the 1960s and filled his young mind with stories of great strength in the face of grave danger.



"He taught me first of all about equality and everybody should fight for equality and one world and unity," Newble said. "If it's something you believe in you have to take a stand and fight for it. So something came up and I decided that I need to back it and use my voice and get behind it."



So Newble crafted an open letter to the Chinese government asking how it could stage an Olympics when it "remains complicit in the terrible suffering and destruction in Sudan." And he gathered his Cavaliers teammates and told them that China was buying oil from and selling arms to the government in Sudan, which was maiming and torturing countless innocent people. It was a stunning revelation for most, Newble said. Many had not even heard of Darfur. He left pamphlets on their chairs in the locker room detailing the evidence and asked them to read the information and come to him if they had questions.



His teammates were also stunned, Newble said, because he had generally been a quiet member of the team. But this was different, he explained, an issue that moved him to speak and to act. And they listened. All but three of the Cavs signed the letter -- Damon Jones had a contract with a Chinese shoe company, David Wesley was gone on personal leave, and James simply said he didn't know enough.





But maybe Newble accomplished, finally, what he had set out to do. He got LeBron's attention and his support, if not his signature. And in a few months, James will be playing on the world's biggest court in front of the world's biggest audience. It remains to be seen what, or if, James will say then, but the stage has been set.



And at the very least, James showed he's no Jordan … at least off the court.




原文链接:http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3398947
发表于 2008-5-31 17:24 | 显示全部楼层

回复 25楼 tigertiger 的帖子

詹姆斯已经表态了,他丫去死吧~

[ 本帖最后由 ImmortalCHN 于 2008-5-31 17:27 编辑 ]
发表于 2008-5-31 17:33 | 显示全部楼层
难道大国气度就是"量中华之物力,结与国之欢"吗?
现在中国还要这种大国气度吗?
发表于 2008-5-31 17:38 | 显示全部楼层
LZ发表这个所谓的不同声音,想出名?攒积分?。。。还是其它目的,还有待深入研究。。评论完毕。。。。。。。。。。评论完毕。。。。。。。。。。

[ 本帖最后由 星光 于 2008-5-31 17:44 编辑 ]
发表于 2008-5-31 17:42 | 显示全部楼层
不看nba你会死吗
无论政府做怎样的决定,我都支持到底~!!!!!
 楼主| 发表于 2008-5-31 17:58 | 显示全部楼层

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难道不能发出不同的声音?
发表于 2008-5-31 18:08 | 显示全部楼层
凭什么对我们指手画脚,管好你们自己的国家,支持ZF的决定。
发表于 2008-5-31 18:15 | 显示全部楼层
可以发出不同的声音,但发声音前应该认真思考一下,不能为了发出不同的声音而发出不同的声音。
看到这个标题感到既可笑又可悲,大国气度就是甘心忍受吗?
别人把体育政治化,我们就不能给予回击,一旦我们给予回击,而且是正当的回击,就是我们把体育政治化。:L 。
这种事情拿大国气度说话,说好听的是没有血性,说不好听的就是奴性
发表于 2008-5-31 18:28 | 显示全部楼层

回复 30楼 tigertiger 的帖子

你是在发表不同的声音,同样28的朋友也是发表不同的声音,人家对您这感觉,你不接受可以呀,怀疑人家“怀疑你的动机”的动机,你可以说出来呀,现在我劝劝你别怀疑人家,我也是在发出我的声音呀,所以你看看吧……
发表于 2008-5-31 18:32 | 显示全部楼层
支持封杀,这么爱看就到现场去看吧
发表于 2008-5-31 18:35 | 显示全部楼层
NBA China的枪手现形了。。。。。。。。。
发表于 2008-5-31 20:16 | 显示全部楼层
什么是大国心态?
    中国一直用大国心态对待其他国家往往是一相情愿,试问有哪个国家用大国对待过中国?

    如果大国心态就意味着我们必须一味的退让,任人欺辱,任人宰割,那么,这种心态不要也罢!
    事实也证明,在国家利益面前,以德报怨显然不合时宜。
    当62年中印边境战争我们主动撤离后,印度马上占领我12万平方公里国土,直到至今;中越南沙海战也是如此。
    当我们放弃战争赔款满心希望两国从此友好相处时,换来的却是日本否认侵略,美化战争。
    当朝鲜要和我们平分白头山时,我们本着大国心态把超过60%的白头山划给了朝鲜,而现在南朝鲜却认为整个白头山乃至整个东北都是他们的,得寸进尺啊!
     ..........
    基于儒家思想的大国心态要我们不断的付出如此大的代价,我们还要他干吗?美国人从来就不讲求大国心态,霸权主义心态在他们心中根深蒂固,只有中国的一帮乌合之众还在一相情愿的大讲特讲所谓的大国心态。烦!
    大国心态也是相互的,我们以大国心态对待他国,同样也希望他国能以大国心态对待我们,可是受伤害的一直是我们,他国根本就不明白中国的“以德报怨,己所不愿,勿施于人”的儒家思想,他们甚至连听都没听说过。那些口口声声宣扬大国心态的人往往不明白这一点,反而觉得自己很高尚,明明吃亏受屈还以大国心态自我安慰,这与“好男不跟女斗”的心态有何区别!

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发表于 2008-5-31 20:46 | 显示全部楼层
别人骂你,你不理他已经很大度了,难道你好要把他骂你的话录下来反复听
发表于 2008-5-31 21:04 | 显示全部楼层
封就封了呗,以前央视还封杀国内甲A联赛呢。
发表于 2008-5-31 21:05 | 显示全部楼层
如果莎朗斯通报应说后,大家是不是可以"大气"继续看她的电影买她代言的化妆品?
再我看来这个时候NBA跟这个女人是一样的.
 楼主| 发表于 2008-5-31 21:22 | 显示全部楼层
怎么不全面反美啊?有本事你就别用不用英特尔和AMD,看你怎么用电脑上网.没点理性在这里乱叫.专拣软柿子捏算什么.我们还没强大到什么都可以不用不看不买外国产品的时候吧.醒醒吧.
发表于 2008-5-31 21:25 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 tigertiger 于 2008-5-31 21:22 发表
怎么不全面反美啊?有本事你就别用不用英特尔和AMD,看你怎么用电脑上网.没点理性在这里乱叫.专拣软柿子捏算什么.我们还没强大到什么都可以不用不看不买外国产品的时候吧.醒醒吧. ...


我们不用美货? OK~ 先叫他们不用四大发明~
他们不用四大发明绝对没法正常生活~
你不看NBA就不能正常生活了?

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