【散金条,征翻译】外国网民如何看待谷歌(google)或将撤离中国？

xiewh

我已经决定不再使用google搜索，也想办法把gmail赶紧导到139去！

sam712

谷歌高层激烈争论退出中国还是“从内部改变这个政权”
http://cn.wsj.com/gb/20100114/atc103440.asp?source=whatnews2

这算“监督者”还是别的什么玩意

慎思笃行

shuisky
13 Jan 2010, 8:18AM
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这条记录已经被监察员删除。恢复也被删除。paradisehere 发表于 2010-1-14 00:04

Replies 应为“回复(的帖子)”，而不是“恢复”吧。虽然我英语六级都没过。

d_bubble

以前一直潜水，今天试一试，高手们指教下

Guest pullout possible?
If you think you can do it, just do it.
No nonsense.
asking for pity?
rubbish.
2 days ago | Like (1) | Report abuse Guest
可能退出吗？
如果觉得可以，就做吧
不要废话了
想得到同情？
垃圾
Guest
Brazilian practitioners of Falun Dafa (Falun Gong), the system that has
been prosecuted by China`s PCC since 1999, have been trying to show to
the world what has been happening to the Chinese practioners. As
Google is a name that has been served as a bridge between China and
free countries, we ask you why not insist in the position you have
already conquered together with other companies that work in the media
market in China. And I also ask you: without you and the other 20
companies you mentioned, how will the world know what really happens
to Chinese people? And not only what happens to Falun Gong
practitioners. Please, do not give up. You are a very important and
respected company that will be more respectable if you and the other
20 companies that have been highly attacked, join forces and find the
way to insist in maintaining the position all you have already achieved.
Also, have you thought how the world will consider the steps you will
have to take to maintain the position you have already conquered? If
you need Chinese materials to help you to take your decisions, please
feel free to contact us. We are sure that you will feel strong enough
to find the correct way. Also, through everything we have noticed, we
have also understood that the correct way is to join forces. Have you
already listened about Dr.David Matas? Have you heard about recent
Argentine lawyer´s process sent to Argentine´s Government? What we
have being doing is very important and consistent, but nothing will be
brought about without media. And everything we need is the position
and the work you do. Please do not give up! The world needs your work
in China and all over the world!
Thank you!
rutheli less
2 days ago | Like (1) | Report abuse Guest
巴西的法**练习者从1999年起就一直被中国的pcc（ms政治协商会——泡）起诉。他们一直想告诉世界中国的法**练习者发生了什么。Google一直都是中国和自由国家的桥梁。我们问你，你已经和其他公司在中国媒体市场赢得了一定的地位，为什么不坚持下去。我再问你：没有了你们和你们所提及的其他20个公司，世界怎么知道中国人民真正发生了什么？不仅仅是练法**的人。（我想骂人，我居然被轮子代表了，囧——泡）请不要放弃。你们是非常重要和受人尊敬的公司。如果你们和其他20个遭到高度攻击的公司一起，齐心协力，想方设法继续保住你们已经赢得的地位，你们将更受尊敬。如果你需要中国的物资来帮助你们做决定，欢迎和我们联系。（这个是沆瀣一气吗？无语了……——泡）我们相信你们会足够坚强的选择一条正确路。另外，通过我们对一切事情的观察，我们明白正确方法就是要齐心协力。你们有听到Dr.David Matas的话吗？你们听说了最近阿根廷的律师应经给阿根廷政府发去了诉讼的事情了吗？（这是个什么事情——泡）我们的所做的事情是非常重要和坚持不懈的，但是如果没有媒体的支持，我们将一事无成。我们需要你们现在所做工作的和所在的位子。请不要放弃！世界需要你们在中国和全世界的工作。
谢谢！
（翻译这个让我反胃好久，果然全世界轮子都是nc——泡）

Guest personally I applaud google for its effort to collect knowledge, if they are scanning books in china I mean come on...Ive gotten ripped on Ebay before, it that even something worth mentioning when you were the subject of an attack like this? I bet the Chinease govt. will allow uncensored results...
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如果他们在中国扫描书籍，我个人很赞同goolge在文化收集方面的努力。我以前在ebay上过当，当你是像这样一起攻击的一方，这个值得一提吗？我打赌中国zf认可未经审查的结果……（不是很明白，大家凑合着看吧——泡）

DS21 And how many more incidents will it take before the world does something about China's computer attacks? Appeasement didn't work so well for World War II.
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在世界对中国的计算机攻击采取措施以前，不知还要发生多少事情？姑息对第二次世界大战可没起什么作用（小题大做，美国可是最大的黑客呢——泡）

kongkei

最好翻译下

d_bubble

再翻译几个cnn：Google vs. China: Free speech, finances or both?后的评论
很多都是说goolge离开的好，在中国受了很多委屈，让中国人见识下厉害什么的，也有明显有很多中国人过去发，说这次是美国政府掺和了的，google也是经营失利等等。挑几个有意思的翻一下

Guest
I was in China and I can attest to the heavy monitoring via the Internet and telephone. I wanted to take a side trip to Tibet but needed some info and guess what happened when I attempted to Google it? I was booted and I no longer had internet access at the hotel where I was staying. I was also give ...more
I was in China and I can attest to the heavy monitoring via the Internet and telephone. I wanted to take a side trip to Tibet but needed some info and guess what happened when I attempted to Google it? I was booted and I no longer had internet access at the hotel where I was staying. I was also given a stern look by the business room attendant. I say Google needs to stand its ground... I guess this sounds a lot like a replay of Tianamen Square when the young man stood in front of the tank. There will eventually be lots of change in China, but not so sure that Google will win...not this time... less
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我在中国住过，我可以证明网络和电话的管制有多严重。我想去西藏旅游，需要一些信息。猜猜看当我试图goolge这些时发生了什么？我被踢了，而且再不能在我住的旅店接入互联网。商务房间的服务生也一副对我很严厉的样子。（老大，你想多了吧，关服务生什么事啊？？？——泡）我说，google需要坚定立场……我想这就像天安门事件时，那个年轻人站在坦克前的重演吧。（什么和什么，一点逻辑都没有，真会联想，反正反中国就那点破事，你就来来回回的说吧——泡）中国最终将发生很多变化，但是google将来不一定会赢……不光是这回……

Guest
I hope this article and the comment post here by all so far monitor by either Google or US administration, and understand the what Chinese think about US and the US company, Further I like to suggest that lat ban all finish good import from China, only semi-finish good allowed to import and ask them ...more
I hope this article and the comment post here by all so far monitor by either Google or US administration, and understand the what Chinese think about US and the US company,
Further I like to suggest that lat ban all finish good import from China, only semi-finish good allowed to import and ask them to convert finish good here in US land, then they will understand the mind of people of US, and same time it will create the job which every body from President to common man want and Chinese and Chinese government will have lessen, if US plug out from there economy then what would happen to them. less
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Guest I hope Chinese government can be more tough than what they are now. We should stop buying US T-bond and T-Bill. Do whatever to escalate US's financial storm, since US's economy sucks! Why should we loan money to them?
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Guest Dear Guest, a worse situation (saction) has happened for China less than 20 years ago and Chinese knew how to deal with it. If you'd prefer a new round, feel free to go for it. But this time, maybe you want to check "what happens to us" first. :)
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我希望这篇文章和目前为止的这些评论不要被google和美国管理者监控，并且明白中国人是如何看待美国和美国的公司
我更进一步的建议是，禁止进口一切中国的产成品，只允许半成品，将产成品的生产放在美国本土。这样他们就会理解美国人民的想法。这同时也会创造出从总统到普通民众都渴望的就业岗位。如果美国从这种经济中退出，中国人和中国政府的分量就会减轻很多。（这个人头脑不清白，杀敌一千，自损八百，再说，没了中国，还有印度、越南，干脆搞闭关锁国好了，美国标榜自由经济，也就如此了——泡）
下面是两个回应
1、我希望中国政府比现在更铁腕一下。我们应该停止买美国的长期和短期国债。尽一切努力让美国的金融风暴加剧，因为美国的经济烂透了！我们为什么还要借他们钱？（没办法，美国一倒，世界更乱——泡）
2、不到20年前，中国出现过更糟糕的情况，中国人知道该如何应对。如果你选择一轮新的多边会谈，尽管去好了。不过这次，可能你要先想下“什么会发生在自己身上”（hoho，明白人啊——泡）
Guest
First:Most of American always said chinese is not freedom,Whther American is freedom? I don't think so.Who has the power and control the American, I think it should be Bank and only a few people; American goverment cost many money to war , and many people died in the war.Second: Googel said google w ...more
First:Most of American always said chinese is not freedom,Whther American is freedom? I don't think so.
Who has the power and control the American, I think it should be Bank and only a few people; American goverment cost many money to war , and many people died in the war.
Second: Googel said google will leave for freedom, do you childishly think it is right? I really don't think it is ture: The most company in china can earn more money but googel can't. In others way, Bussiness company should observe the local law not political. Micro said that it is incorrect for googel's done but not leave from china too, Because Micro can earn more money from china. The reason about googel 's leave the most important things is that googel can't eran more money But not otheres. less
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Guest Cindy1234, money is not everything, but it is more important than most things.
If Google's China operation can take up 20% of revenue rather than 1%, I bet you Google will Kowto to China.
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Cindy1234 Not everything is about money. Freedom of speech, trust in your partner, is important too. China broke the trust... so Google says bye-bye. Makes sense to me, maybe not to you. Maybe, money is everything to you and you see the world no other way. And that's fine too. We agree to disagree.
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首先，大多数美国人总是说中国人不自由，那么美国人自由吗？我可不这样觉得。我觉得在美国拥有权力和能控制美国的只有银行和一小部分人。美国花了很多钱来打仗，很多人就死在战争中。
再说，google宣称是为自由离开中国，那你真的天真的相信吗？我真不觉得这是实情。大多数在中国的公司都能挣更多的钱，但是google却不行。另一方面，商业公司应该遵守当地的法律并不是政治性的。微软说google不应该这样做，他们也不会离开中国。因为微软可以从中国挣到钱。goolge离开的原因除了赚不到钱外没别的了。（这明显是中国人过去发的了——泡）
下面是回应
1、Cindy1234（第二个回应的人）,钱不是一切，但是钱是比大多数更重要的东西。如果谷歌中国能占据20%的收益，而不是1%，我打赌google会向中国磕头的。（kowto=磕头，今天才知道，O(∩_∩)O哈哈~）
2、不是事事都是讲钱。演讲的自由，对拍档的信任就是不能用钱的。中国破坏了诚信……所以google说byebye了。这是对我来说的，可能对你不是。可能钱对你来说就是一切，你也不会用其他的方式来看待世界。那也可以。我们赞同存在争议。
3、google威胁离开时因为即使他们一直到在按照中国的规则做事，政府还是资助他们的特工去黑和盗取goolge以及其他一些非中国企业的东西。
中国政府是极端的保护主义者。政府也比其他的大国要更直接的介入商业。很多公司发现在中国没法做生意，因为要花钱贿赂政府的高官。
所以我觉得，yes，可能google这样做确实有部分钱的问题，但是很大一部分是因为信用。而中国政府完全没信用。
Guest I was going to make a comment on American true "freedom", but it says "Your comment must be approved by a moderator before appearing here.", so is that freedom or censorship??? American fellows!
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我原准备发一篇关于美国真实“自由”的评论，但是却发现它说“您的发言在发出之前必须经过仲裁的批准”。这是自由还是审查？美国伙计们！（这个搞笑，哈哈~~~~——泡）

shidi

回复 3# skywing
    原来维系中国政府形象的是谷歌啊，真是恍然大悟啊。楼主，你可以去当哲学家了

shidi

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( w8 i8 o1 h9 y$ G( B为谷歌喝彩！！我们政府或许无法反抗中国和保护中国人民的人权，但是谷歌有这胆。


..........这句话看的让人有点蛋疼，老美果然吧自己当上帝了.........真是恶心的上帝啊

d_bubble

英国卫报Google strikes a blow to China's Great Firewall后的评论，英国人的评论要严肃认真的多

BristolBoy
13 Jan 2010, 7:45AM
'course over here, the government doesn't have to hack accounts, it just passes laws obliging ISPs to hand over any information they might want.
在这儿，政府没必要去黑账号，直接通过法律强迫ISPs把他们想要的信息交上来。（应该是指的是英美，goolge曾经将客户隐私信息就上交给美国政府信息——泡）
Stealthbong
13 Jan 2010, 8:15AM
Nice to see a company exhibiting a bit of spine and standing up to the Chinese authorities and their revolting behaviour, even if it's a company flush enough not to have to worry to much about the economic impact.
真高兴能看到一个公司能表现出一些骨气来对抗中国的政府。即使他们反叛的行为只是一个公司的一时冲动，不用担心对整个经济的冲击。

stevehill
13 Jan 2010, 8:23AM
China is trying to put the toothpaste back in the tube and it will fail. No modern economy can seriously expect to deprive its citizens of the free flow of information, and having access to that information is actually a source of competitive advantage.
King Canute sat on that beach to demonstrate to his impressionable citizens that he could not turn back the tide.
Best of luck getting your own site reinstated Jeremy.
中国现在想把挤出来的牙膏再退回管子里去，这会失败的。没有一个现代的经济可以指望剥夺公民信息自由流动的权利，而且拥有信息也是一种竞争的优势资源。
King Canute坐在沙滩上来向他敏感的公民证明，他无法阻挡潮汐。
最好找到自己的位子。
JieFang
13 Jan 2010, 8:33AM
I'd rather be outside the wall and free than inside it with the icy hand of the censor around my throat.
Now you know why Taiwan has no intention of ever being ruled from Beijing. Nothing touched by that icy hand can ever truly be successful, except lies.
我想在城墙外自由，不愿意在城墙之中被冰冷的审查之手掐住我的喉咙（引得别人的发言）
现在你明白为什么台湾不愿意被北京统治了吧。除了谎言，被冰冷的手掐住的任何东西都不会真正成功。（这是个湾湾，头像是青天白日旗）

绿水人家

google把台湾后面的“Province of China“ 抹去后，就改用百度了，好像也没什么不方便。

cofy

如果一个公司行为能修改到政府的法律，这个政府就没有存在的必要了

charles__

why not simply do what we used to do and tax imports from China up the wazzu. Oh wait, they own us...damn.
为什么不能简单地我们以前做的，并且可以对中国商品征收关税呢。。。噢等等，它们是属于我们的。。。

他们（中国人）是我们的主宰好不好

niaoren5

其实就是那么几个事件，没那些事p事没有

师子吼

如果一个公司行为能修改到政府的法律，这个政府就没有存在的必要了
cofy 发表于 2010-1-22 01:23

    美国的一些大公司对待一些小国，就是有这样的实力。对美国自己也有这样的实力。只是对中国不太好使罢了。

babibaby2008

是吗？为了国家利益，本人早就不上谷歌了，或者说尽量不上。忽然发现百度真的不错！想要的东西都能搜索到！我还是现在一万个力挺百度站稳脚跟！
    亲爱的谷歌再见吧！中国人民不想看到你！我心里早希望你滚蛋了！至少给我们民族企业留一些生存余地！滚蛋吧谷歌！我不会为你流泪的！
应该说去死吧，谷歌！哈哈哈哈哈！
    今天心情真好！终于看到一则令人愉快的消息！