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Both Gordon Brown and David Miliband made it abundantly clear to the Chinese authorities that they were totally opposed to the execution of the mentally-ill former taxi driver.
But the Chinese ignored their appeals and went ahead with the execution in the early hours of this morning. And rather than seeking to reassure Britain that the affair would not affect relations between the two countries, Chinese officials have issued a series of statements condemning Britain’s unwarranted interference in their internal affairs.
And that just about sums up China’s attitude not just to Britain,but to the Western alliance. China’s fundamental approach to the West is that it is prepared to cooperate only when it is regarded as in Beijing’s interests to do so. We saw this at the Copenhagen global warming summit, where the Chinese basically withdrew their cooperation when they realised the reduction in carbon emissions might damage their own economic growth.
The same applies to their attitude towards law and order. The Chinese government regards the death penalty as an essential tool to maintaining law and order in the world’s most populous country, and no amount of condemnation from the West is going to change their minds.
布朗和米利班德两人都向中国官方明确表态，完全反对对患有精神病的前出租车司机执行死刑。
但是中国忽略了他们的申诉，并在今早几小时前继续执行了死刑。并未选择安抚英国，并称此事不会影响两国关系，中国官司方已经发表了一系列声明，谴责英国无理干涉中国内政。
而这只是北京的态度，而非英国或者西方联盟。中国对西方的基本路线就是当事情对北京有利时才愿意合作。我们在哥本哈根气候大会上看到，当中国意识到碳减排会对他们的经济增长造成危害的时候，他们根本上取消合作。
这种态度同样是他们对待法律、法规的态度，中国政府认为死刑是维护法律和管理世界上人口最大国家必需的手段，西方的谴责并不能让他们改变主意。
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If there is no fear then there will be no Law or Order. West doesn’t seem to understand that. Each and every one should take responsibility not hide behind excuses.
whynot on Dec 29th, 2009 at 12:45 pm
如果无所畏惧，那就就没有法律或法规。西方似乎并不理解这一点。每一个人都应该承担责任，没有什么借口。
Why should Peking care what the British government thinks? I was born here and I don’t.
I studied Chinese at university and it is refreshing to see the Chinese treating Brown and Milliband with the respect they deserve. In the last thirty years the Chinese government has arranged affairs so that hundreds of millions of Chinese citizens have lifted themselves out of poverty. Who are these punks to lecture their betters?
edinburghstoic on Dec 29th, 2009 at 12:58 pm
为什么北京需要在乎英国政府的看法？我在这出生的，我都无视。
我在大学时学习中文，令我耳目一新的是，中国这次给予布朗和米利班德应得的“尊重”，在过去的30年中，中国政府使亿万中国平民摆脱了贫困。（布朗）这群笨蛋还好意思向别人说教？
Does ANYBODY listen to Gordon Clown OR Buggered Britain anymore ?
britbybirthozbychoice on Dec 29th, 2009 at 12:59 pm
还有人会听戈登小丑（指布朗）和被鸡奸的英国的话吗？
It’s a situation that Briton, and the West, will have to accept.
The West is a spent force and can only offer rhetoric; real power now lies elsewhere.
Roman on Dec 29th, 2009 at 1:02 pm
这是英国、西方的处境，我们只有面对现实。
西方已是强弩之末，只能过过嘴瘾，真正的权力并不在我们这边。
If Shaikh (good ole British name) was as mentally impaired as his family and others are claiming, then why was he wandering alone around the world?
Furthermore, if the unelected one and his pet millipede are so against the death penalty, why didn’t they object to it when the Saddam look-alike was hung – and why did they sign the EU Constitreaty, which, hidden in a footnote of a footnote, mentions that the EU will have the power to execute anybody protesting in the streets against the EU?
But then hypocrisy is a requirement for today’s politicians.
lickyalips on Dec 29th, 2009 at 1:03 pm
如果Shaikh（很古老的英国名，不错）如他的家人和其它人所说的，是个缺心眼，那他为什么可以一个人满世界漂？
进一步说，如果布朗和他的马屁精们这么反对死刑，当初为什么处决萨达姆的时候不反对？为什么他们要签EU Constitreaty？在这个文件的最不起眼的地方写道，欧盟有权力处死在街上抗议EU的任何人。
这种年代，虚伪已经是政客的必备素质了。
“…China’s fundamental approach to the West is that it is prepared to cooperate only when it is regarded as in Beijing’s interests to do so…”
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Can you tell me which country in the world wouldn’t do the same? After all, it’s all about national interests.
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BTW, China also executed a Japanese drug trafficker a couple years ago. Do you think the U.K. is more important to China than Japan is?
Pacific Century on Dec 29th, 2009 at 1:06 pm
"中国对西方的基本路线就是当事情对北京有利时才愿意合作。"
你能告诉我这个世界上有哪个国家不是这样吗?说到底,这是事关国家利益。
顺便说一声，中国在两年前也处死了一个日本毒犯。你认为对于中国而言，英国重要还是日本得要？
Gordon Brown is really to much every day we see young men and women being brought home in coffins.They are obeying his orders.Do we see any of his tears for them.He should keep his nose out of other countries affairs.And look in his own backyard.
comment on Dec 29th, 2009 at 1:07 pm
布朗就是吃饱了撑的，每天我们都看到年青人被装在棺材里带回家，他们服从布朗的今夜，可是我们看到布朗为此流过半滴泪吗？他应该少操心别的国家的事，先看好自家的后院吧。
I agree with the majority of comments posted here. Nulab seems to think that special conditions should apply when UK citizens visit a foreign country.When we visit a country we have to accept the country as it is not pontificate about how it should be. I must say that i would have done exactly the same as the Chinese government has done. Its all down to political spin in this country backed up by a stupid liberal press.
swell on Dec 29th, 2009 at 1:16 pm
我同意这里大多数人的意见，楼上的Nulab看起来认为英国公民在国外应当适用特别的条例，当我们访问一个国家时，我们应当接受这个国家，而不是自命不凡。我必须说，如果我是中国政府，我也会这么做。我们国家陷入政治骗局往往因为有愚蠢的出版自由的支持
The sooner we start executing criminals like Shaikh the soon we solve the crime problem we have in this country. But seeing as the opium crop from Afganistan is being Peddled by the UK and US this will never happen. A shame really I’d love to see Bliar and Bruin on the gallows.
whiteenglishproud on Dec 29th, 2009 at 1:25 pm
我们越快开始处决像Shaikh这样的罪犯，我们就能越快解决我们国家的犯罪问题。但是看起来好像和美国正在贩卖阿富汗种植的鸦片，这种事情好像不可能发生却偏发生，真是感到耻辱，我很希望看到布莱尔和布鲁因被绞死。
Perhaps the UK (and it’s politically correct thinking) is so far removed from common sense and reality that when a country (which, by the way, has been around FAR longer than we) decides to take what it considers appropriate measures against a law-breaker, the UK finds it impossible to understand.
Perhaps the UK would be in a less parlous state (criminal activity-wise) if it were to implement some more meaningful punishments for transgressors??
Hmmm.
Jon on Dec 29th, 2009 at 1:26 pm
当一个国家（顺便说一下，已经超过我们的国家很多）决定对一个违法者采取适当手段的时候。也许英国（这是政治正确的想法）当前已经失去常识和真相，英国发现这些很难理解。
如果对违法者实施有实在的惩罚，也许英国会进入一个更少危险的状态（犯罪行为更少）。
What a monkey Brown is. He should be getting his own back yard in order before telling The Chinese how to do theirs. China have nothing like the criminal element Brown allows to disgrace this country, I wonder why.
Probably best not to upset China, Gordy, you dolt, everyone’s laughing at you. Beijing doesn’t have to care about maintaining cordial relations with us, they’ll be the next world Superpower.
As for Shaikh, do the crime, do the time. Another drug smuggler we don’t have to worry about.
Himself on Dec 29th, 2009 at 1:26 pm
布朗真是能折腾，在告诉中国人要怎么做之前，他应该先把自家的事情解决掉。犯罪分子布朗，你凭什么羞辱中国？我很好奇。
最好别想着颠覆中国，高登，你个白痴，每个人都在笑你，北京才不关心跟我们维持什么兴奋剂关系。他们会是下一个世界强权。
对于shaikh，不过是另一个我们可以无视的毒贩罢了。
Can’t blame the Chinese for following their own rules, whilst raising two fingers to the rest of the world. They’re putting the interests of their own country before any others, and I can’t see what’s wrong with that.
I only wish that OUR useless bunch of namby-pamby,neo-social-workers who infest Westminster would do the same for OUR country.
redmanc on Dec 29th, 2009 at 1:32 pm
不能因为中国执行了自己的法律去指责他们，对世界其它地方竖中指，他们只会考虑自己国家的利益而不顾别国。我看不到中国做错了什么。
我只希望这些没用的小BB、新社会工作者们会为了我们的国家也去骚扰下英国政界。
Totally agree with Swell
Brown and ZanuLab have forced us to bend over backwards to make foreigners feel welcome here, to the point of destroying our own national identity and culture. Then because of that they expect the same when Bitish Nationals go abroad. Doesn’t work that way I’m afraid. If you go somehwere, you’re subject to their culture and beliefs or you deal with the consequences.
I also think it’s appalling that we can berate China for executing people, when poll after poll has shown that the majority of people in this country would want to reintroduce corporal punishment.
The more the government protest every foreign conviction of a British citizen in a country they don’t like, the less likely the government will be taken seriously when there really is an unjust conviction. Our govenrment acts like a football fan, supporting people because they’re on ‘our side’
Shaft120 on Dec 29th, 2009 at 1:33 pm
完全赞同楼上的Swell
布朗和Zanulab强迫我们点头哈腰让外国人感受欢迎，这是在摧毁我们自己国家的地位和文化。所以我们出国后，他们依然觉得我们比较低下。这让我很担心。不管你去哪，都得服从当时的文化和信仰，不然，你就是这个后果。
我也认为这很可怕，我们可以指责中国继续死刑，但是从数次投票来看，中国大部分人民都都支持恢复肉体刑罚。
如果一个英国公民在一个不喜欢英国的国家被定罪时，政府的抗议越多，那么这个国家认真对待的可能性就越小，当这个案子确实是一个不公正的判决时。我们政府的行为像个球迷，只支持自己这边的人（译注：而不是公正）。
The Chinese should have broadcast the execution live so we could all cheer ; sometimes you have to kill the chicken to scare the English monkeys. This English heroin trafficker dealer had 4 kilos of heroin on him; this heroin WMD is enough to kill and enslave thousands of people. Lets hope his death will be a lesson for other English clowns who think they can just walk into China with their heroin to cause mayhem and addiction.
Johan de Meulemeester on Dec 29th, 2009 at 1:36 pm
If I was caught with 4Kg of scag, I would claim mental to try and sidestep responsibility to. SO mental that I was able to contact suppliers, plan transport, secure the cash, find dealers to distribute the stuff in a foreign country et al, ad infinitum…
Wrist Deep on Dec 29th, 2009 at 1:38 pm
“When in Rome, do as the Romans do”. If you travel to a country that has the death penalty for drug trafficking, it should not be a surprise if, when you get caught that you have to die.
If only all the foreigners that have come to our shores had done the same, i.e. live like a home grown brit, we would not have half of the problems we have today.
dodgydave on Dec 29th, 2009 at 1:47 pm
To be absolutely honest, I don’t think the British government were ever serious about saving Akmal’s life. Everybody knows that when dealing with the Chinese, the most effective way is to negotiate quietly behind the doors. However, the minute everything goes public, the Chinese are left with no choice but to execute Akmal.
What does the British government get out of that?
1. A free chance to condemn China’s human right records.
2. A free chance to take moral high ground.
3. A free political cause to unite the nation.
But do they really care that Akmal will die in exchange? Of course not… they probably would only if his surname was Smith or Taylor…
whatever123 on Dec 29th, 2009 at 1:51 pm
The Chinese are an intelligent, nationalistic people with a powerful military and a large, strong, healthy economy. They’re the antithesis to us, basically. They know, like we do, that anything Brown – and indeed our government – says should be either treated with contempt or derision.
I have no respect for this drug smuggler who decided he’d try to use his manic depression as an excuse for trafficking 4 kilos of heroin into a country where it’s highly illegal. But I have to admit I have sympathy for the moment he was made aware that Gordon ‘inverted Midas touch’ Brown was going into bat for him. Since everything Brown associates himself with inevitbaly turns to ashes, it must’ve been chilling knowing that everything was f*cked from that point on.
myguitarwantstokillyourmama on Dec 29th, 2009 at 2:01 pm
When will people in the West realize that China does not accept any interference in its internal affairs – just as it never interferes in the affairs of other states (except Tibet, of course, which it annexed)? Brown and company would have been better to keep quiet. Their public criticism probably ended any chance of a last-minute reprieve for this man.
johnfitzpatrick on Dec 29th, 2009 at 2:02 pm
“The execution of Akmal Shaikh demonstrates what China really thinks about Britain”?
No, it does no such thing. It demonstrates what China thinks about those who smuggle drugs.
george204 on Dec 29th, 2009 at 2:11 pm
Oh boo-hoo! A drug pusher gets executed. (This bi-polar excuse is just junk; bi-polars still know the difference between right and wrong.)
Why should China stump up the money to commute his sentence to life in prison? Good for China! At some point we are going to have to take a much tougher line on our own criminals.
stoney on Dec 29th, 2009 at 2:12 pm
Those Chinese have not forgotten the Opium Wars — a few Western profiteers did grave harm to the Chinese, for money and nothing else. It was as evil as the slave trade. No cordial relations there.
About Mr. Sheikh, if he was mentally impaired then perhaps his family could have done more to keep him out of danger. I don’t know. But I know if you’re caught with drugs in China, you’re kaput. Same for Singapore.
larryhammick on Dec 29th, 2009 at 2:12 pm
There are always excuses when people get caught with drugs, he wasn’t “bipolar” enough to get a visa and travel to China on his own, the family obviously thought he was capable or they would have stopped him. How did he fund his travelling lifestyle? Drugs perhaps? Have his family lost their favourite mule?
Half of the “disorders” people suffer in the UK probably don’t even exist. As for China – who are we to point the finger? Research the opium wars, we wrecked the longest standing civilisation for a generation just to get cheap tea, then attacked and nicked several ports off China when they objected. What we did to China is far worse than what we supposedly did to Africa (tried to drag them out of the stone age) yet we cannot apologise enough and sink enough funds into that self-made bottomless pit of human misery. The Chinese don’t moan and wail holding out the begging bowl, they get on with it. The streets of Beijing are far safer than the streets of London – because they have sentences that deter criminality – we could learn a thing or two from the Chinese.
One less scumbag “British” criminal – good.
Steve Lee London on Dec 29th, 2009 at 2:31 pm
You want to know what China really thinks of Britain… from someone who works there…? An ancient paper tiger that will be crushed by their economic might and power… Britain is nothing to China.. like a fly that needs to be swatted… a puppy to the great Satan Uncle Sam…. and realistically… as we continue to economically decline into a bankrupt nation…. not a lot we can do…. start learning mandarin… and reading Mao’s thoughts ????
sov192 on Dec 29th, 2009 at 10:06 pm
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/12/28/akmal-shaikh-china-executes-british-man_n_405666.html
URUMQI,China — China on Tuesday executed a British man convicted of drugsmuggling in its first execution of a European citizen in half acentury, drawing a strong condemnation from Britain's prime minister.
Britain's Foreign Office confirmed the execution of Akmal Shaikh,whose relatives say was mentally unstable and was unwittingly luredinto the crime.
发自中国乌鲁木齐。周二中国处决了一名走私毒品的英国毒贩，这是50年来中国处决的第一个欧洲公民，引来了英国首相的谴责。英国外交部确认了Akmal Shaikh的死刑，他的亲属说他精神上不稳定，不自觉地被引诱犯罪。
"Icondemn the execution of Akmal Shaikh in the strongest terms, and amappalled and disappointed that our persistent requests for clemencyhave not been granted. I am particularly concerned that no mentalhealth assessment was undertaken," British Prime Minister Gordon Brownsaid in a statement issued by the Foreign Office.
“我强烈谴责对Akmal Shaikh的判决，对于我们一直以来请求仁慈但没有得到给予，我感到惊恐和失望。我特别担心他没有接受精神鉴定。”英国首相Gordon Brown在外交部发出的一份声明中说。
Shaikh, 53, was the first European citizen to be executed in China in five decades.
Shaikh first learned of his death sentence Monday from his visitingcousins, who made a last-minute plea for his life. They say he ismentally unstable and was lured to China from a life on the street inPoland by men playing on his dreams to record a pop song for worldpeace.
Brown had spoken personally to China's prime minister about his case.
Shaikh，53岁，50年中中国出觉得第一个欧洲公民。
Shaikh 最初知道他的死刑是在周一他的侄子们探监的时候，他的侄子们为救他做了最后一次请求。他们说他精神上不稳定，而且在波兰的街头被诱骗到中国，那些人利用了要为世界和平录制流行歌曲的梦想。
布朗私下同中国总理谈了他的问题。
Shaikh was arrested in 2007 for carrying a suitcase with almost 9pounds (4 kilograms) of heroin into China on a flight from Tajikistan.He told Chinese officials he didn't know about the drugs and that thesuitcase wasn't his, according to Reprieve, a London-based prisoneradvocacy that helped with his case.
Shaikh于2007年因从塔吉克斯坦携带了一箱差不多9磅（4公斤）海洛因进入中国而被捕。他告诉中国官员他不知道那是毒品而且那个箱子不是他的。根据死缓命令，一个伦敦的囚犯支持组织帮助了他。
He was convicted in 2008 after a half-hour trial. In one courtappearance during his trial and appeal process, the judges reportedlylaughed at his rambling remarks.
2008年在半个小时的庭审之后他被宣判有罪。从他庭审和上诉阶段的法庭表现来看，据说，法官们嘲笑了他乱七八糟的陈述。
It was not known how Shaikh, who is of Pakistani descent, wasexecuted. China, which executes more people than any other country, isincreasingly doing so by lethal injection, although some deathsentences are still carried out by a shot in the head.
我们不知道Shaikh这个巴基斯坦后裔是怎样被处决的。中国比其他国家处决的人数多，虽然还是有很多死刑通过枪决执行，中国越来越多地使用注射死刑的方法。
The officer said Shaikh did not appear to have mental problems, wasfriendly with other prisoners and had learned to speak a little Chinesewhile detained.
这名狱警说Shaikh看起来没有精神上的问题，他对其他囚犯很友善而且在押期间开始学说了一点中文。
China has defended the handling of Shaikh's case, saying he received a fair trial.
中国为处理Shaikh案件而辩解，说他得到了公平的审判。
"Drug smuggling is a grave crime. The rights of the defendant havebeen fully guaranteed," Chinese Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Jiang Yutold a news conference last week.
“贩毒是重罪。被告人的权利已经得到了充分的保证。”中国外交部发言人姜瑜在上周的记者招待会上说。
博客评论：
Tell me again how the "terrorists," fund the war in Afghanistan, and their nefarious activities around the world?
Drug money? Poppy fields in Afghanistan, especially in Helmund province.
Aside from the victims who use the heroin, how about britan's finest?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/interactive/2009/oct/14/afghanistan
Killed with bullets bought with drug profits?
Where is the outrage? Misplaced I do believe.
Reply Posted 08:08 PM on 12/29/2009
The problem here is that we have doubt that this man is a drug dealer. We need proof that he is a drug dealer. We are not disputing that drug trafficking is bad.
Reply Posted 09:17 PM on 12/29/2009
The court of the land has made the conclusion that he is guilty. This has gone through the criminal court, high court and supreme court of China. He got two appeals, just like everyone else in that land.
As a wheel chair warri*or who has no or little information other than speculations, you are in no position or right to question the court decision in the country that this drug trafficker dum*b enough to venture in.
I am sorry that your ego has been bruised. Now go get a beer and soak up.
Reply Posted 09:50 PM on 12/29/2009
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The revulsion expressed by Gordon Brown has nothing to do with opposition to the death penalty, doubts about the guilty verdict or interference in China's sovereign right to implement its own laws on its own territory. It is all about the Chinese government's refusal to permit a medical examination to determine whether or not the man they were about to execute was mentally ill. Under China's legal system, clemency is normally granted where mental incapacity is proved. Nobody was asking for special treatment for this man, just the same chance of a medical review as would any Chinese citizen.
There are two recent cases in which Chinese people have been sentenced for manslaughter and murder in England. None was sentenced to death, because the death penalty was abolished 40 years ago. In one case, a Chinese gangmaster who caused the drowning of 21 Chinese cocklers in Morecambe was sent to prison for 14 years. In another, a Chinese illegal immigrant who brutally murdered a Chinese couple in Newcastle was sent to prison for life, with a minimum term of 33 years, earlier this year. In the latter case, in particular, there was great interest in China, so the English authorities allowed television access to some of the proceedings, which were thus watched by half a billion people. The trial was transparent and the English authorities did all they could to involve the Chinese government and other stakeholders. Compare this with the rough treatment offered to a British citizen.
Reply Posted 06:25 PM on 12/29/2009
Mere possession of a substance that's primarily harmful because people choose to *voluntarily* consume it does *not* warrant a death sentence.
Further, an extraordinary and irreversible sentence should require extraordinary measures to determine that the suspect is actually fit for the punishment. In this case, his mental health was in doubt, so measures should have been taken to alleviate or confirm such doubts.
As for "China, too, has shown lienency in many cases", that is hardly an excuse. This is another case in defense of the flawed "two wrongs make a right" philosophy.
Finally, assuming that profit from this substance is actually being funneled to Al-Qaida as you describe (which I doubt because that organization is repeatedly used an excuse for otherwise inexcusable actions), that could be alleviated by simply legalizing the mentioned substance.
When legal, it could be regulated and grown domestically thereby ensuring that domestic entities profit over foreign entities. It would also put a lot of the criminals in various countries out of business or severely harm them since the value of the illicit substance would go down due to the increased supply and there would no longer be a need to defend their black market businesses from governments by force of arms.
But wait... That makes too much sense. Let's keep it illegal so that we have an excuse to imprison and execute people in the name of their own protection instead.
Reply Posted 08:32 PM on 12/29/2009
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My observations about this story:
Q Why is this news?
A Because it demonstrates that coloured Chinese people can and do judge Brits.
Background to this issue:
During the nineteenth century European states institutionalized extraterritoriality in non-Western countries through unequal treaties.
http://www.allacademic.com/meta/p_mla_apa_research_citation/0/7/2/3/8/p72387_index.html
Q Why do so manyt comments here denegrate Chinese culture, chinese people, chinese government and Chinese justice
A because we still find looking down on all things Chinese acceptable. Although we have given up the Polish light bulb jokes, no longer confuse all Itallians with the Mafia, and have elected an African American president, we still engage in Chinese Bashing. On sports talk radio last evening a Chinese fortune cookie "joke" was told.
Q Why does this forum feature so many negative stories about China?
A Because Bashing China has become the national pastime. It's fun! One of the best ways to attack a political opponant it to accuse him of "being sort on China," and becayuuse most people do not have a reliable source of information about China, so it is east to fool them.
Reply Posted 05:02 PM on 12/29/2009
The background to this story is one of 27 representations made by the British Govt in the 2 years since this man's trial including a plea in person by PM Gordon Brown for clemency, a huge difference between the UK and China with regards to human rights issues, the hypocrisy of the communist Govt in China as signatories to the UN Human Rights Legislation, the total disregard and scorn heaped upon an individual with mental illness, a refusal by the Communist Authorities to meet with his family or allow them to be present during his last moments or release the body to be brought back to the UK for burial.
Don't you remember the dread surrounding the Paralympics in 2008 because of the Communist Party's attitude to individuals suffering from physical and mental disabilities? It beats the Chinese coloured people nonsense out of sight.
Reply Posted 05:59 PM on 12/29/2009
Not all criticism of China is China bashing. We criticize the US government all day long on Huffington Post. But no one complains that we are "America bashing".
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发表于 2009-12-30 12:46
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