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发表于 2008-6-8 12:16 | 显示全部楼层
I think, even for the long term interest, economic interest of Tibet, we should handle the relationship with China on this basis. Tibet is a inland country with vast territory, scarce population, and difficult transportation, but with rich natural resource endowment as well. For more speedy physical establishment, if we cooperate with a more advanced stronger country, we shall have more benefit than complete independence. This is my bottom-line, my rationale for seeking true autonomy and not independence."
发表于 2008-6-9 23:17 | 显示全部楼层
现在该警惕DL组织变成恐怖组织对中国发动恐怖袭击了``
发表于 2008-6-11 15:43 | 显示全部楼层
:handshake 减少喇嘛数量
发表于 2008-6-13 01:52 | 显示全部楼层
樓上, 那又會給他們藉口說是打壓他們宗教自由的了

要聰明些, 首先要開啟民智, 讓西藏人知道, 養這些人沒有什麼功德可言
佛經上講了, 自己親自種德, 與別人種德迴向功德, 是七比一(忘了在那裡看, 好像是地藏本願經)
就像小布對付塔里班, 恐怖份子, 也是要先斷其財源!!!
另外, 讓西藏人懂得如何憑自己力量來改善生活, 政府可以花少點錢去修寺院
多些錢來幫助西藏人發展畜牧, 及其他經濟.
還有限制那些流亡印度的回西藏去打短期工, 當導遊來賺外快, 他們也不知跟老外說些什麼東西!
灌什麼毒!

這樣, 當喇嘛的生活不再那麼優哉悠哉, 眼看人家憑努力可以生活得比他們好幾倍,
自然在市場競爭上, 許多人就不會不務正業.
他們眼中的喇嘛, 就像中國故時的考狀元當官, 一登龍門聲價十倍, 當然父母都願意孩子去當
就像送兒子當太監, 也能幫補一下嘛. 但要是沒戲了, 送兒子去唸書上大學
效益更好, 好處更多, 豬頭也會想想, 那種方法更實在!

總之, 以市場規律去淘汰他們就是了.
发表于 2008-6-20 11:27 | 显示全部楼层

最後部份, 引用文件清單我就不翻了, 成嗎?

On November 28, 1997, the Dalai Lama told a Chinese (Han) in Dharmasala, "Should I return to Tibet, I will turn Tibet into a peace zone, with no army except a few police for necessity. Therefore we need protected by a strong China,as well as their material support. Though we may obtain assistance from other countries, however, if Tibet is a part of China, China shall be liable to assist us in supplies. In return we provide China Buddhist culture so that it will be for mutual benefit. There are some millions of Buddhists in China, and there will be more needs for Buddhism. Tibetan Buddhism is the best Buddhism,of course it is not the only religion. We respect other religions. Tibetan Buddhism is not just good for Tibetans, but for 1.2 billions of Chinese brothers and sisters as well, especially for young Chinese in rebuilding their spiritual belief. When Chinese Buddhists and other Chinese realise this, they will be actively involved in protecting Buddhist culture from being destroyed. If Chinese respect Tibetan culture and its environment, treating Tibetans as brothers and sisters, why shall we be independent and separate? It is because Iview Buddhist culture as more important than political status, therefore I seek for real autonomy of Tibet,not independence." (55)

In these two talks, the Dalai Lama accused the Chinese Government for destruction of Tibetan culture, religion and environment as usual. Much had been discussed previously on Tibetan culture and religion. The environmental issue has mainly been caused by boost of Tibetan population. Basically population boost is a common issue faced by all the nations in the World for environmental problem, a topic discussed in every United Nations Conference on the Human Environment. The United Nations even set up the Global Environment Facility in encouraging and assisting developing countries to control population. Scientists from different countries cry for birth control. When interviewed by the New York Times, the Dalai Lama himself said, "Population is a cruel reality. In India, due to religious tradition, some people have difficulty to accept birth control. I think, the situation should be intervened from the beginning
Birth control. Of course, on the whole, from a Buddhist perspective, abortion is an act of killing which is bad. However, it all depends on the circumstances. If the child will be born with a disease, or its birth will bring about serious problem for the parents,they can be exceptional cases." (56) He said in the 38th Uprising Anniversary Memorial that, "due to expansion of military base,various construction and population expansion etc., the environment is at risk." (57)

As previously mentioned, Tibet, though extensive, with the majority being covered with snow-capped mountains and rugged rocks, temperate desert soil and periglacial temperate frozen soil, cultivatable and pasture lands are limited.Because of the altitude and cold, aridity, scarcity of oxygen and gusty wind,productivity remains low. In 1980 Sun Hong-lei, Vice President, Chinese Academy of Science discovered in his visit to Tibet that the pasture was already over-grazed. I often saw Tibetans sold grassroots they dig out as firewood. This is the consequence of the Chinese Government's inability to enforce birth control among Tibetan peasants and herdsmen as it was intimidated by Western criticism. The Dalai Lama admits: excess population will ruin the environment, and birth control is a must. He continues blaming the Chinese Government for destroying Tibetan environment while accusing on the other hand the Chinese Government's demand for Tibetan residents to have only 2 kids is an"violation of human rights" and "genocide". This demonstrates him being hypocritical, insidious, sly and vicious.

International Commission of Jurists (ICJ) 1997 Report "Tibet: Human Rights and the Rule of Law" did the same. On one hand it criticised, "The Chinese Government prohibits Tibetan women give birth to more number of children than stipulated, but the quota is not as severe than that imposed on Han women. The implementation of this policy varies in a large extent depending on the location. For those exceeding the quota,measures that violate their legal right will be taken, e.g. fines, mandatory abortion and sterilization." It deliberately omitted the fact that the Chinese Government exempts Tibetan peasants and herdsmen from birth control, and instead, extend Chinese Government's birth control policy for urban population to cover all the Tibetans. On the other hand, it accused, "the most acute environmental destruction made by the Chinese is the diminishing of pasture, turning massive habitat for herds and wildlife into deserts." (58) By Chinese, it refers to Han people. Will Han people be herding or removing grass-roots in Tibetan pastures? Han people are not accustomed to Tibetan beef and mutton diet or the Tibetan butter churned tea.The deterioration of Tibetan pastures into deserts is purely a result of population explosion (of Tibetans). The Dalai Lama and the Western human rights advocates, making extensive propaganda, accused the Chinese Government's birth control on urban Tibetans as "genocide", deterring the Chinese Government from controlling the population of peasants and herdsmen; while in the meanwhile frame the Chinese Government for environmental catastrophe that was caused by explosion in Tibetan peasants and herdsmen population, what a weird catch 22?

The Dalai Lama's claim "Tibetan's Buddhism is the best Buddhism" is purely boasting. Let aside that he was never invited by Buddhist countries like Thailand, Myanmar, Sri Lanka and Cambodia, and majority of Buddhists from Japan and Korea do not worship him, Han's Buddhists are not interested in him either. This is not surprising as the Dalai Lama does not know Chinese language nor did he study Chinese history (see previous article). Therefore he was not aware that Buddhism was introduced to Han territory way before Tibet. Chinese translation of Buddhist scriptures are the same if not better than Tibetan translation in volume and in quality and took place much earlier. History records show that in the year 2 BC, Visha (Notes: tribe in Central Asia, that might be related to Kushan Empire, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuezhi)Emperor's envoy Yichun to Chang'an (Notes: close to today's Xian, Shaanxi Province) and verbally dictated Futu Jing (Buddhas Sūtra) to Jing Lu, a staff official of the Han Dynasty.In March 1988, Buddhist Association of China confirmed "Yichun's dictation" as the landmark for the introduction of Buddhism to China, and held a celebration in November 22 of the same year in Beijing for the 2000th anniversary of Chinese Buddhism. (59). Approximately 500 years after "Yichun's dictation", in the 5th century, it was said there was a treasure chest fallen on Tibet, containing Buddha statues,scriptures, pagoda etc. However, Tibet did not have its own language then and nobody knew Buddhist scriptures written in Sanskrit. (6th)It was until the 7th century when Nepalese princess Bhrikuti Devi and Tang Dynasty princess Wencheng each brought Buddha statue, Buddhist scriptures and talismans in their dowries when they married Songtsän Gampo, then Buddhism started to spread in Tibet. The Tibetan Government-in-exile also recognized this in their "Tibet: proving Truth from Facts", "The wedding to the Nepalese and Chinese princesses were of particular importance, because they played important roles in the spread of Buddhism in Tibet."(btw, what Princess Bhrikuti Devi brought was esoteric(Vajrayana) Buddhism,and the one that Princess Wencheng brought was exoteric (Mahayana) Buddhism.) In 645 BC, Xuanzang, the monk, brought back scriptures from India and conducted a translation project in Chang'an. 75 scriptures totalling 1,335 chapters were translated, which began large scale Buddhist scripture translation in mainland China. (61)Large scale scripture translation took place in Tibet in 775 BC when Songtsän Gampo built the Samye Monastery (bsam yas gtsug lag khang in Tibetan), more than 100 years after Xuanzang. (62) Chinese Buddhism is just as good as Tibetan Buddhism. Should Han believe Buddhism is of use in rebuilding their spiritual, they can consult Chinese Buddhist scholars instead.What do they need approaching the Dalai Lama for?

If Hans were aswhat the Dalai Lama hopes for devoting all efforts in chanting and worshiping Buddha, aiming at a better next-life, they would not have been able to develop technology and work wholeheartedly, producing massive products and wealth to raise Tibetans who cannot support themselves economically, and let Tibetans enjoy modern materialistic civilization without even a sweat, yet happily chanting, bowing Buddha for a better next-life.

The Dalai Lama told overseas Chinese students in America," In recent decades, there is a tendency for materialism in the economic reform to the socialist market economy, whether socialist or capitalist, which to a large extent destroys the spiritual world and moral values of China. A desert of spiritual and moral values is rapidly spreading in Chinese society, under which circumstances, Tibetan Buddhism and Buddhist philosophy can bring millions of Chinese brothers and sisters in locating their spiritual destiny."(63) As we all know, the status of monks and nuns as public spiritual mentors severely dropped as the economy of Thailand, the Buddhist state, took flight with widespread money-worship, hedonism and secularism. This indicates modernization will definitely lead to the decline in Buddhism, a historical development which is not due to any conspiracy by the Communist Party, or avoidable by any Buddhist master or leader. Furthermore, the Han's culture is built upon pragmatic rationality, which by virtue reject irrational Tibetan Buddhism.This can be illustrated by the favorism played by emperors of Yuan and Qing Dynasties, while the general public were not convinced by Tibetan Buddhism. The Dalai Lama's promoting Tibetan Buddhism to Hans at the end of the 20th century,dreaming for nostalgia of "Mongolian Imperial Master", spiritual leader of 1.2 billion Hans, is just a vanity fantasy.

In April 1997 when the Dalai Lama met Chinese Democratic activists in Washington DC, he said, "There is no way Tibet can be independent politically or economically. Tibet can only rely one of its neighbours China or India.Comparatively, China is a better choice." (informed by an attendee to the meeting.) He did not explain, but Dawa Tsering did release a bit of information. He said, "Tibet is in an embarrass position, located between two large nations, China and India, pressed and squeezed from both sides. The geographic location of Tibet predetermines that a choice has to be made. I believe China is a better choice over India,as Chinese sense of religion is rather mild, and will get along easier with Tibetans. Indians are strongly tied with religion belief, and inter-religion disputes, if any, will be severe. We have sensed it in India, some Tibetans hardly have any Indian friends after spending thirty to forty years in India." (64)

Buddhism long lost its glamour in India.Most Indians are Hindus, neighbour-joining with Caucasian race (Note: see http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Neighbor-joining_Tree.svg),having significant difference from Tibetans religion-wise and race-wise. The Dalai Lama once said,"As Buddhism was passed from India to Tibet,with it came many other elements with cultural significance. Therefore I have no doubt that India has more claim on Tibet's sovereignty than China."(65) After Tibetan settled in India,they found this simply was not so. Neither the Dalai Lama nor Dawa Tsering explained what do they mean by"rely on", probably nothing to do with religion the Dalai Lama believes Tibetan Buddhism is the best Buddhism, what else does he need to rely on? It should be political and economic support. China is more able and more generous than India to expend on supporting Tibetans. The perfect deal for the Dalai Lama is:Chinese Government shall continuously raise Tibetans, yet they should also pass the administration of "Greater Tibet" back to him as well, plus Chinese Government should remove th 17 ethnic group, which accounts for over ahalf of the population of "Greater Tibet" out of the region (i.e.genocide), and finally, allowing him to preserve the right to declare independence any time. What a smart bargain.

To deceive worldwide media, the Dalai Lama can go any distance in formulating stories, we have covered quite a number, and there are a few more.

Dalai's autobiography said, "China installed a third of its nuclear weapon on Tibetan soil because Tibet is one of the world top uranium reserves. Apparently China wants to contaminate the majority of Tibet with radioactivity through its uranium exploration. In Amdo County, Northeast Tibet where I was born, there is a well known large Gulag (poster's notes: penal labor camp for Soviet political prisoners) with an estimated capacity to hold10 million people. (66) In his 1987 address to the US Congress for "Five Point Peace Plan", he also talked about China's nuclear weapon facility and nuclear waste disposal in Tibet.
His allegations were dismissed by the conference on Tibet: Religion, Conflict, and Cooperation held by the U.S. Institute of Peace in September, 1993. The report,which accused Chinese Government for violations of Tibetan human rights and sympathized Tibetan Independence, had to admit, "there had been rumour on disposal of nuclear waste in Tibet,purportedly coming from uranium mines in eastern Tibetan Plateau and nuclear facilities in central Tibet.However, these allegations had never been confirmed by any judge or international communities." (67) The total population of Qinghai Province is barely 4million but was alleged to have a prison camp with a 10 million capacity something even labour camp expert Harry Wu was not aware of. Who will believe such a myth? (According to the "1997-1998 Laogai Guidebook" published by the US Laogai Research Foundation run by Harry Wu, Wayuxiangka Farm, the largest penal labour farm in Gonghe County, Qinghai,holds only 11,134 persons.)

Other examples are:"some Tibetan children are forced to become slave labour" (68);"China proclaimed to eliminate Tibetan language in '15 year's time'", "a lot of Tibetan schools are just children's labour camps. Only about 1500 children actually receive proper education." (69); "Chinese top leaders want to have a Tibetan genocide" (70); "Chinese promotes what they call"segregation and cultural assimilation" which is a racial discriminating policy". (71) The first few are clearly false accusations, the last one is self-conflicting if Hans want cultural assimilation with Tibetans, why do they segregate Tibetans from Hans?

The Dalai Lama also learns to play catch 22 game, accusing Chinese Government for leaving Tibetans in miserable, pitiful poverty, e.g. lack of medical care, education and electricity etc.; while on another instance, he blamed, "In May 1984,Chinese's Tibetan policy has changed remarkably. Hu Yaopong's proposal of cutting 85% of Chinese officials in Tibet was rejected, instead migrants were being encouraged. Under the banner of "development", 60,000 skill and unskill workers relocated to Tibet with terms of employment of wages, housing and vacation leaves offered by the Government." (73) Under Dalai's reign, there was hardly any modern clinic or school in Tibet (I define modern school as not just teaching languages, but science subjects like maths,physics, chemistry and biology). With the exception of Dalai Lama himself and a few closely related lords, nobody had any electric lighting. Therefore the Dalai Lama does not have any ground to blame Tibet's lack of medical care,education and electricity under Chinese rules. The "skill and unskill workers" he mentioned were exactly the engineering technicians,economists, medical staff, technical researchers, educators and their assistants responsible for the 43 engineering projects. Their missions were to build and run hospitals, schools and power stations to raise the living standard of Tibetans, but were labelled by the Dalai Lama as migrants aiming at Tibetan genocide. The Dalai Lama's villainy matches his arrogance.

The Swindle of Dalai Lama --- 5
The most ridiculous was on November 2, 1998, when he said on the "International Campaign for Tibet Conference", "Chinese Government has refused to recognized Tibet's unique culture." (74) As mentioned foregoing, Hu Yaopong's speech on Tibet in 1980 lavishly praised Tibetan culture, demanding extensive promotion and development of Tibetan culture, putting it as significant as the economic development, and calling it "duo development". Hu emphasized on the 2nd Tibet Project Meeting in 1984 that the uniqueness in Tibetan culture lied in its religion, again demanding extensive promotion and development of Tibetan culture.  In 1984, Jiang Zemin held the 3rd Tibet Project Meeting and said, "we must be cautious in spreading the outstanding culture of Tibetan tradition." (75) As previously mentioned,the Chinese Government allocated 0.3 billion yuan in restoring 1,787monasteries, established a lot of Buddhist school, Tibetan researching institutes and publication on Tibetan studies. In 1987, "Regulation on the education, use and development of Tibetan language in TAR (draft)" was passed in the 5th meeting of the 4th People's Congressional Meeting of Tibetan Autonomy Region, which was implemented with due diligence. As of today, Tibetan radio and television broadcasts are bi-lingual (Chinese and Tibetan) in their operation, with specialized movie translation productions. Tibetan publications and books are seen everywhere in massive volume. The majority of elementary schools use Tibetan as the teaching language. Tibetan courses are offered in high schools and universities. The Chinese Government also established special office to collect, organize, study and publicize Tibetan cultural archives. Perhaps the Dalai Lama exhausted his list in blaming the Chinese Government, and can only resort to fabrications,which literally means he is at the end of his road.

[ 本帖最后由 ltbriar 于 2008-6-20 11:49 编辑 ]
发表于 2008-6-20 20:23 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 ltbriar 于 2008-6-20 11:27 发表
On November 28, 1997, the Dalai Lama told a Chinese (Han) in Dharmasala, "Should I return to Tibet, I will turn Tibet into a peace zone, with no army except a few police for necessity. Therefore we ne ...



老兄辛苦!翻译这么多内容一定花了不少时间和精力:handshake:
发表于 2008-6-21 02:24 | 显示全部楼层
辛苦倒不是, 我比較喜歡翻譯這些評論文章
因為它們通常是作者花了時間去搜集分析大量資料而成
達賴跟他集團及支持者, 50年來散播的謊言不少,
我們在後面逐一反駁, 十件中駁漏一件, 他們漁翁撒網之計就成功了.

這些綜合分析文章, 好處就是集中地一次抓大量, 不容他們狡辯
我自己一直想整理出一套, 達賴跟他那集團的主要論點思維,
簡單明朗地駁斥其非, 就像之前對那老美教授那套一樣.
像徐先生及MA Jones他們引用的材料, 對我幫助很大.
同時在翻譯過程中, 往往到處查證核對時, 又會找到一些有價值的資料, 那是很興奮的
只是翻譯到西藏歷史及佛教概念時, 不太好翻. 比如一個寒漠土, 一個顯宗,
一個哇玉香卡農場, 為了找正確相對名稱, 就費了許多時間.
要命是這些東西都很冷門, 網上找不著的話, 基本這裡的圖書館也沒什麼可圖的

PS, 我前天看了加拿大一個紀錄片部份片段, 原來達賴的英文不是那麼靈光!!
那時的他該是在壯年, 跟記者交談時, 居然沒詞, 跟旁邊的年輕僧人說藏語
由年輕僧人代答了. 哈哈. 難怪到今天, 他都總是像烚熟豬頭咧嘴笑的多, 英文老是斷截禾蟲的不成整句.
再想到荷里活那些明星, 跟他一起時, 必恭必敬地被他忽攸, 我想他一定心裡狂笑不已
"我連我自己都不知自己說啥, 你們這些不就是國王新衣嗎?"
发表于 2008-6-23 10:18 | 显示全部楼层

剛發現了這資料, 是從開元華人社區論壇找來的

http://www.kaiyuan.de/forum/viewthread.php?tid=239233&extra=page%3D4

Amanda08
发表于 24.4.2008 10:44
大家注意了:徐明旭的文中有错误!
"據1950年11月3日噶廈政府要求聯合國“制止中國侵略”的呼籲信稱﹐當時藏族人口不足三百萬(其原文是﹕a weak and peace loving people, hardly exceeding 3 million)(35)。這個數字不可能是當時噶廈政府實際控制區(大致上相當於今日的西藏自治區)的人口數字﹐而是當時全體藏族的人口數字。當時噶廈政府實際控制區的人口據戈茨坦說是“至少一百萬”(這個數字包括昌都地區)(36)﹐據國民黨政府內務部1947年估計是一百萬(37)﹐據噶廈政府自己 1953年上報中國政府的數字是一百萬(這個數字不包括昌都地區)(38)。到了1987年9月21日﹐達賴喇嘛在美國國會人權委員會演講時稱藏族人口六百萬(39)。由此可見﹐藏族人口在中共統治的頭37年中翻了一番還多。"
"由此可見﹐中國人口在失去其1949年基數的10%(5.5千萬比5.4億)的情況下﹐在中共統治的頭37年中增加了96%﹔而藏族人口在失去其 1951 年基數的40%強(120萬比不足300萬)的情況下﹐在頭37年中增加了至少100%。由此可以近似地算出﹐在中共統治的頭37年中﹐中國人口實際增加了1.19倍﹐即從4.85億(5.4億--0.55億)增加到10.6億﹔而藏族人口實際增加了2.33倍﹐即從180萬(300萬--120萬)增加到600萬。換言之﹐在中共統治的頭37年中﹐藏族人口的實際增長率是中國人口的實際增長率的1.96倍﹐幾乎高了整整一倍。無論從世界人口史看﹐還是從醫學上﹑生理上看﹐這都是驚人的奇跡。(按中國人口包括藏族人口﹐但藏族人口僅佔中國人口的0.5%﹐所以藏族人口增長率對中國人口增長率的影響可以忽略不計)如將藏族由於自然條件特別嚴酷因而在歷史上人均壽命就比漢族短得多(見第一章引戈倫夫的話)的因素考慮進去﹐這個奇跡就更加驚人。"

本来以为找到了证据反驳德国人的120万屠杀的说法,结果我发现一个问题,西藏人口普查到1990年只有不到500万总人口,怎么可能1987年600万呢?于是我上网查了dl喇嘛1987年9月21日的美国演讲Five Point Peace Plan for Tibet
His Holiness The Dalai Lama
Address to Members of the United States Congress; Washington, D.C.
September 21, 1987.

"Today, in the whole of Tibet 7.5 million Chinese settlers have already been sent, outnumbering the Tibetan population of 6 million. "

中国非藏人口750万,超过西藏人口600万,而不是西藏人口600万!

很庆幸我还没将此邮件发给德国朋友,否则被他们找出破绽,会更加对我(们)的话进行怀疑.由此,120万的屠杀一说不能以徐明旭的数字理论来反驳了

希望徐明旭能尽快更改其错误,否则会被怀疑其其他内容的说服力! 


Amanda08 发表于 24.4.2008 23:10
90年人口普查时                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        中国境内有460万藏民,其中46%分布在西藏自治区,即211.6万,另外的54%分布在青海四川甘肃云南
发表于 2008-6-23 21:51 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 ltbriar 于 2008-6-23 10:18 发表
http://www.kaiyuan.de/forum/viewthread.php?tid=239233&extra=page%3D4

Amanda08 发表于 24.4.2008 10:44
大家注意了:徐明旭的文中有错误!
"據1950年11月3日噶廈政府要求聯合國“制止中國侵略”的呼籲信稱﹐當時藏族人 ...

对老兄的敬佩宛如滔滔江水:loveliness: ,一看就是作学问的料,非常细心和严谨,赞一个!
发表于 2008-8-23 03:47 | 显示全部楼层
该警惕DL组织变成恐怖组织
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发表于 2008-10-9 11:45 | 显示全部楼层
达赖太可恶了
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发表于 2008-10-12 22:40 | 显示全部楼层
達賴喇嘛說“西藏的佛教是最好的佛教”﹐純屬夜郎自大。且不說泰國﹑緬甸﹑斯里蘭卡與柬埔寨等佛教國家從來不請他去當太上皇或太上師﹔日本與韓國的廣大佛教徒也從不崇拜他。單說漢族佛教徒對他也不感興趣。這也難怪﹐達賴喇嘛不懂漢文﹐也不讀中國歷史(參見前文)﹐所以他不知道佛教傳入漢地比傳入西藏早得多﹔漢譯佛教典籍無論在數量上還是在質量上較之藏譯佛教典籍毫不遜色﹐時間上也要早得多。史載公元前2年﹐大月氏王的使者伊存來到長安﹐向西漢文官景盧口授《浮屠經》。1998年3月﹐中國佛教協會對“伊存授經”作為佛法初傳中國的標誌予以確認﹐並於同年11月22日在北京舉行大會﹐紀念中國佛教二千年(59)。“伊存授經”後約500年﹐公元五世紀﹐傳說有寶盒自天降落西藏﹐內有佛像﹑佛經﹑寶塔等﹐然而當時藏族尚無文字﹐也無人能識用梵文寫成的佛經(60)。直到公元七世紀﹐尼泊爾尺尊公主與唐朝文成公主從西東兩方帶了釋迦牟尼像﹑佛經﹑法器等嫁給松贊幹布﹐佛教才開始在西藏傳播開來。這是“西藏流亡政府”的《以事實證明西藏的真相》也承認的﹕“由於迎娶尼泊爾和中國的公主對佛教在西藏的傳播起了一定的積極作用﹐所以﹐在西藏歷史上具有特殊的地位。”(順便說說﹐尺尊公主帶去的是密宗﹐文成公主帶去的是顯宗)公元645年﹐玄裝法師從印度取經回來﹐在長安主持翻譯佛經﹐共譯出佛經75部1335卷﹐是為中原大規模翻譯佛經的開始(61)。西藏大規模翻譯佛經是從赤松德贊公元775年建立桑耶寺開始的﹐比玄裝法師譯經晚了一百多年(62)。漢傳佛學較之藏傳也毫不遜色。如果漢人認為佛教對他們重建精神信仰有用﹐自會去請教漢族佛學大師﹐何須求助於達賴喇嘛﹖

如果漢人都像達賴喇嘛所希望的那樣把全部心思與精力都放在轉經拜佛﹑超度來世上﹐怎能憚精竭慮地發展科技﹑廢寢忘食地工作﹐從而創造出大量物質財富來包養經濟上無法自立的藏人﹐讓藏人既能不費吹灰之力地坐享現代物質文明﹐又能消遙自在地轉經拜佛﹑超度來世﹖

達賴喇嘛還告訴留美中國學生學者﹕“最近幾十年裡﹐在社會主義市場經濟的改革中出現了極端的功利主義的傾向﹐不管是社會主義還是資本主義﹐都在極大的程度上破壞了中國的精神世界和道德價值觀。一個精神和道德價值觀的荒漠正在中國社會迅速蔓延﹐在這種情況下﹐西藏的佛教和佛教哲學能夠幫助千百萬中國兄弟姐妹找到精神上的歸宿。(63)”眾所週知﹐全民信佛的泰國自從經濟起飛後﹐拜金主義﹑享樂主義與世俗主義瀰漫﹐僧尼作為民眾精神與心靈導師的地位一落千丈。可見現代化必然導致佛教衰落﹐這一歷史趨向既不是共產黨的陰謀造成的﹐也不是哪個佛教大師或教主所能阻擋的。何況漢人的民族文化心理結構是實用理性﹐天生拒斥非理性的喇嘛教﹐元清兩朝皇帝如此禮遇喇嘛教主﹑廣大漢人始終不為喇嘛教所動就是明證。達賴喇嘛在二十世紀即將告終的時候來向漢人推銷喇嘛教﹐企圖重溫“大元帝師”的舊夢﹑當12億漢人的教主﹐可謂癩蛤蟆想吃天鵝肉。
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发表于 2008-10-12 22:44 | 显示全部楼层
在「喜瑪拉雅」有徐明旭先生所著
陰謀與虔誠﹕西藏騷亂的來龍去脈的全文

AC的翻譯組可以參考一下......
在「
後記」裏有徐先生的連絡方式和他希望能全書英譯出版的想法

ltbriar 網友辛苦了



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发表于 2008-10-31 06:08 | 显示全部楼层
漢人的民族文化心理結構是實用理性﹐天生拒斥非理性的喇嘛教﹐元清兩朝皇帝如此禮遇喇嘛教主﹑廣大漢人始終不為喇嘛教所動就是明證。達賴喇嘛在二十世紀即將告終的時候來向漢人推銷喇嘛教﹐企圖重溫“大元帝師”的舊夢﹑當12億漢人的教主﹐可謂癩蛤蟆想吃天鵝肉。
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发表于 2008-11-1 11:26 | 显示全部楼层
在拉萨见过老徐几面,一个敢说真话的人!
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发表于 2008-11-3 22:00 | 显示全部楼层
如果漢人都像達賴喇嘛所希望的那樣把全部心思與精力都放在轉經拜佛﹑超度來世上﹐怎能憚精竭慮地發展科技﹑廢寢忘食地工作﹐從而創造出大量物質財富來包養經濟上無法自立的藏人﹐讓藏人既能不費吹灰之力地坐享現代物質文明﹐又能消遙自在地轉經拜佛﹑超度來世﹖


这段说得好!
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发表于 2008-12-7 15:14 | 显示全部楼层
垃圾宗教,灭亡吧
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