美国波士顿论坛关于中国国庆的辩论

oushen

这是875楼的……

These are great pictures and the image that china wants to project to the rest of the world is nice but..
The fact is that most people in china do not have money to buy what their country produces nor can they buy things that we rest of the world take for granted.
This summer we made a trip to china but not the rich part. Mostly small towns and believe me that people starve. They work many hours with means that are extinct in the rest of the world and they sell their days work for nothing.
Hard working people with a goverment that promotes mass production and world achievements but the average man/woman in china lives in conditions that resemble 3rd world countries.
And before you deny it think that china is not only the 3-4 large cities but the rest of this huge country as well.

So this greatness in the photos means a couple of things in my oppinion.
1st a chance to celebrate and have fun
2nd make chinese proud
3rd promote china
4th make chinese forget the bad of this military goverment (imagine a family living in poverty and watching this on tv)

These are all my oppinion and so that you know i dont consider my country any better. Well exept the fact that the average man is above poverty state.


这些都是些非常好看的图片，而且中国相向世界表达的内容也是很好的，但是……   （很经典的但是）
事实上在中国的大部分人都没有什么钱去买他们国家生产的东西，也没有钱去购买我们认为理所应当有的东西。
这个夏天我们（不知道他这个“我们”指谁）去中国旅行了一趟，去了那些不是很富有的地区。很多的都是小城镇而且，要相信我的是人们正在挨饿。他们每天工作很长时间，用在世界上其他地方几乎已经摒弃不用的方法工作，但是他们如此卖力的工作却（几乎）什么都得不到。
政府有着努力工作的人们，生产大量产品并且有很多的成就。但是中国的人均生活水平还是处于和第三世界相类似的状态下。
在你们否认这一点之前，好好想想，中国毕竟不是仅仅是那三五个大城市而已，中国还有很多的地方（估计他是想说处于贫困状态）

所以，在我看来，这些很不错的图片意味着这样一些事情：
首先，这是一个庆祝并且享受欢乐的机会
其次，让中国人感到自豪
第三，擢耀中国
第四，让中国人忘记他们军权政府的坏处（想象一下一个生活于贫困的家庭从电视机前看到这些景象）

这些就是我全部的意见，所以你们应该知道我并没有把我的国家认为得有多好，除了（我们国家）的人均生活水平处于贫困线之上。

kuangwenhao

829.I just want tell the western, I'm a chinese Tibetan students in Europe. as one person whose family just get rid of the control of monks, I don't know why your media just support the Dalailama, why don't you let talk the millions of serfs?

I live in France for 5 years, I've compared what's the difference between media chinese and occitental. unfortunately, I found a lot of truth by comparaisons. what a western media!

I can understand mandarin, and several dialects, and I've found that, in translation, the western media always change the words of interviewed speakers to prove what the jounalist want to speak. I really want to ask your media, it's what you want to speak or what the people want to speak? the problem is that your media do that everyday, furthermore, you have some many media, but all the media speak in one voice about Tibet. if we look the lies as stupidity, I understand why chinese gouvernement interdit the media of western. I think, comparatively, the chinese media are well better than yours.

I've found that western people are very enthusiastic, not only for God, democracy, also for geoplitics....maybe there will be something else. but no matter what, all are in one mode, that is a mode of religion. sometimes, we can sense the corpse of Crusade. from the era of Crusade, the western people mostly justfied for whatever they have done, even very bad to other countries, and they can excuse themselves fairly easily.

I just want to tell you, if you want to support the monk come back to the tibetan gouvernement, first support the pape come back to gouvernement in Europe and USA.

as a Tibetan, I can see the western people still live in society maintened by force of religious style. not at all so-called democracy. the habitude inherited from the christian let them continue to believe their media, before the critic from the heretics, especially form chinese, the western people cannet help justifying for their media, in this way, lie become one national sport in your countries, no wander that you can be so confortable before the lies of your media. It's a stupid! that will let your contries contine play the role of theif to mainten your standard of living.

Ok, I think I've said all for you. so if you want to continue your culture of chritian, continue! but don't stop Tibetan look for their new life. now, we are some atheists, just believe the truth and the reality, don't influence us!


我只是想告诉西方，我是中国在欧洲的藏族学生。因为一个人的家庭干脆退出了僧侣摆脱控制，我不知道为什么你的媒体只支持达赖喇嘛，你为什么不说让数以百万计的农奴？

我住在法国5年，我比什么区别华文媒体和occitental差异。不幸的是，我发现comparaisons很多的真理。什么是西方媒体！

我可以理解普通话，和一些方言，我发现，翻译，西方媒体总是变化的受访者的话来证明什么新闻记者想发言。我真的想问问你的媒体，这是你想要的发言，还是什么人想发言？问题是，你这样做，每天的媒体，此外，你有很多媒体，但所有的媒体有关西藏的一个声音说话。如果我们看看作为愚蠢的谎言，我明白为什么中国gouvernement禁忌西方媒体。我认为，相对来说，中国媒体也比你更好。

我发现西方的人非常热情，不仅为上帝，民主，也geoplitics ....也许会有别的东西。但不管如何，都是一个模式，这是宗教的模式。有时候，我们都可以感受到的十字军东征的尸体。从十字军东征时代，西方多数人justfied为他们做什么，甚至是非常糟糕到其他国家，他们可以很容易自己辩解。

我只是想告诉你，如果你想支持和尚回到西藏gouvernement，先支持帕佩回gouvernement在欧洲和美国。

作为一个藏族人，我可以看到西部人仍然生活在社会的宗教风格的力量maintened。不是所有所谓的民主。从基督教继承让他们继续相信他们的媒体从之前异端批评家，尤其是形成中国的习俗，西部人民的cannet帮助有理由对他们的媒体，这样，在于你成为一个国家的体育运动，没有漫步你可以如此舒适前您的媒体谎言。这是一个愚蠢的！这将让你contries contine扮演小偷的作用mainten你的生活水准。

好吧，我想我已经说了你。所以如果你想继续你的文化chritian，继续！但没有停止他们的新生活西藏看看。现在，我们有一些无神论者，只相信真理和现实，不会影响我们！

oushen

楼上的……  
那翻译看到我头痛啊……

supercaptain

来自火星的语法？

oushen

829.I just want tell the western, I'm a chinese Tibetan students in Europe. as one person whose family just get rid of the control of monks, I don't know why your media just support the Dalailama, why don't you let talk the millions of serfs?

I live in France for 5 years, I've compared what's the difference between media chinese and occitental. unfortunately, I found a lot of truth by comparaisons. what a western media!

I can understand mandarin, and several dialects, and I've found that, in translation, the western media always change the words of interviewed speakers to prove what the jounalist want to speak. I really want to ask your media, it's what you want to speak or what the people want to speak? the problem is that your media do that everyday, furthermore, you have some many media, but all the media speak in one voice about Tibet. if we look the lies as stupidity, I understand why chinese gouvernement interdit the media of western. I think, comparatively, the chinese media are well better than yours.

I've found that western people are very enthusiastic, not only for God, democracy, also for geoplitics....maybe there will be something else. but no matter what, all are in one mode, that is a mode of religion. sometimes, we can sense the corpse of Crusade. from the era of Crusade, the western people mostly justfied for whatever they have done, even very bad to other countries, and they can excuse themselves fairly easily.

I just want to tell you, if you want to support the monk come back to the tibetan gouvernement, first support the pape come back to gouvernement in Europe and USA.

as a Tibetan, I can see the western people still live in society maintened by force of religious style. not at all so-called democracy. the habitude inherited from the christian let them continue to believe their media, before the critic from the heretics, especially form chinese, the western people cannet help justifying for their media, in this way, lie become one national sport in your countries, no wander that you can be so confortable before the lies of your media. It's a stupid! that will let your contries contine play the role of theif to mainten your standard of living.

Ok, I think I've said all for you. so if you want to continue your culture of chritian, continue! but don't stop Tibetan look for their new life. now, we are some atheists, just believe the truth and the reality, don't influence us!




我只是想告诉西方，我是在欧洲留学的中国西藏学生。身为一个刚刚摆脱僧侣控制的家庭的一员，我不明白为什么你们的媒体总是这样支持dl喇嘛，为什么你们不报道那上百万的农奴呢？

我在法国住了五年了。我也比较过中国媒体和西方媒体的不同。不幸的是，通过比较我发现了事实。呵，这些西方媒体们！

因为能听懂普通话，以及其他几种方言，我发现，在翻译的时候，西方媒体总是擅自改变被采访者在采访时说的话，改成了能够证明这些媒体们想要的东西的话。我真的想问问这些媒体，这些到底是你们想要说的话，还是被采访者想要说的？你们媒体不仅仅每天都在做这样的事情，而且，你们的所作所为使得媒体关于西藏问题只表达了同样的意思。 如果人们很傻的相信了这些谎言，我就能理解为什么中国政府要限制西媒了。我认为相比起来，中国的媒体就比你们做得好得多了。

我发现西方的民众都很有热情激情，他们的热情不仅是对上帝，对民主，甚至还转向了地缘政治，当然可能还有其他的方面。但是不管怎么样，这些热情全都以一种模式展现出来，即宗教模式。有时候，我们可以感觉到当年十字军东征的遗迹（原文是尸体）。从十字军东征时代以来，西方民众普遍以他们自身的行为所形成的价值标准来判断事物，即使某些事情对其他国家来说是很不利的，西方民众也能轻而易举地找到如此评判的借口。

我只是想告诉你们，如果你们想要支持僧侣回到西藏并且组成政府统治西藏的话，就请首先让教皇回归到欧洲和美国的政府统治当中吧。

作为一个西藏人，我可以看到西方民众仍然生活在一个宗教模式强制实行的社会里，并不是你们所说的民主社会。从基督徒处继承而来的特质让他们继续相信他们的媒体。当受到异教徒，尤其是中国人的批评时，西方民众忍不住就要为他们的媒体辩护。而通过这种方式，说谎已然成为一种全国性的风气。所以在你们面对你们媒体散布的谎言时也表现得毫不介意也就不奇怪了。这真愚蠢！这样会让你们的国家继续扮演窃贼的角色来保持你们的生活水平（不是很明白这句话的意思……）

ok，我想该说的我已经说了。所以如果你们想继续保持你们的基督教文化，那就继续，但是不要停止让西藏人追寻他们自己的新生活。现在，我们是无神论者，我们只相信事实和真理，不要试图影响我们！

rlsrls08

为楼上的留言鼓掌。

我去看看，有空也翻译一些。

rlsrls08

Well, here's a long-winded one...

I'm 62, have traveled every continent except Antarctica, although I was close once, in Ushuaia, Chile. I'm French, Canadian. I sing in Chinese, have a Chinese wife, been there and most every other Asian country...Japan, Korea, Philippines, Vietnam, Taiwan, and on and on. I was struck by the nature of the responses, some intelligent, most ignorant (and I mean that in the true sense of the term, "lacking in knowledge or training") and some quite combative. Although several people did make astute points.

The invitation to go to China before offering an opinion is most appropriate. One will find China to be exciting and a load of fun! That is, if you are open minded enough to step a little out of your own cultural rules.

On one hand, there is pushing and shoving which westerners find offensive. There is spitting out of food onto dinner plates in restaurants, which we

find disgusting. There are poor people with dirty bare feet and blackened teeth which we define as, well, you make up a word for this.

On the other hand, you will find factories that one could eat off the floors. Cordiality of offering tea and food with every new introduction. In the cities, fashion rules! Well-dressed and well groomed beautiful people are all around. Truly innovative architecture, not the 2,000 year-old stuff, but modern buildings that rival anything anywhere in the world.

I have found the Chinese to be curious, fast learners with a verified average IQ 5 points higher than the average caucasian. Although my experience is that they tend to argue and disagree amongst themselves, they are also quick to forgive and forget. This also is only from my personal observation, and founded on generalities; Chinese people are not prone to violence! Yes, there are those in every culture, including Chinese that are, but for the most part, I don't think we, as Westerners need to worry about China pressing that RED "WAR" BUTTON any time soon, if ever. Although wars with India, Vietnam, Tibet, Mongolia, have been fought, it remains a fact that China has never invaded another country.

The real threat (if you can call it that) from China is merely economic. They make things for less, therefore they sell more and there's really not much the rest of the world can do about it. It is a unique mix of capitalism and communism that is working extremely well for them.

Also, as a foreign visitor, your are safer in China than in any western country. There are severe punishments for harming a foreigner, even going so far as the death penalty.

Yes, the photos are impressive! And, looking at the juxtaposition of all the marchers, it may look militant to a Westerner, but I would say that most (not all) Chinese will perceive this well-organized procession as beautiful and amazing to watch. Something to be VERY proud of.

嗯，我这是一个长留言..

我62岁，世界五大洲我去过四个，只除了南极洲，尽管有一次我都到了附近的智利乌斯怀亚。我是加拿大的法国人。我会唱中文歌，有一个中国太太，我去过中

国和大多数的亚洲国家...日本，韩国，菲律宾，越南，台湾，等等。我对大家自然的反应感到震惊，一些人是聪明的，而大部分是无知的（我指的是真正意义上的无知--“缺乏知识或训练”），和一些人非常好斗。虽然有几个人的观点非常精明。

最恰当的说，如果你要发表意见，你要先去中国。那将是一个发现令人兴奋的中国和充满乐趣的旅行！也就是说，如果你有开放的胸襟，愿意走出自己的文化规则一点点。

一方面，那里有西方人感到厌恶的推挤，有往食物上吐痰的餐馆，让我们觉得恶心。还有那些穷人，光着肮脏的脚，牙齿发黑，我们说他们。。。呃，你自己想一个形容词吧。

另一方面，你会发现工厂里头人们坐在地上吃饭。第一次见面就亲切的递给你茶和食物。在城市，时尚流行！衣着体面，打扮漂亮的人到处都是。真正的创新建筑，不是二千年历史的东西，而是在世界任何地方都能看到的现代建筑。

我觉得中国人很好奇，学习非常快，平均智商比一般白种人高5个点，学得很快。虽然我的经验是，他们经常争吵和存在分歧，他们也很快就原谅和忘记。这也只是我个人的观察，并发现具有普遍性;中国人不倾向暴力！是的，有各个文化都有那样的人，包括中国人，但在大多数情况下，我不认为我们作为西方人有必要担心中国很快会按下红色的“战争”按钮，如果有的话。虽然中国曾经与印度，越南战争，西藏，蒙古打仗，但中国从未侵略过其他国家，这仍然是一个事实。

来自中国的真正的威胁（如果你能这么叫的话）仅仅是经济。他们用较低的成本制造东西，因此他们销售得更多，世界上没有几个其他国家可以这样做。这是资本主义和共产主义的混合体，但在中国非常管用。

另外，作为一个外国游客，您在中国比在任何西方国家更安全。对伤害外国人处以严厉的惩罚，甚至死刑。

是的，照片(译者注:阅兵式)令人印象深刻！而且，所有的游行者列队，西方人看起来可能会觉得中国人好战，但我要说，大部分（不是全部）中国人会觉得这个组织严密的游行是美丽和惊人的，是值得自豪的。

rlsrls08

发现有人已经发过了，故删除。

rlsrls08

I'm a Chinese who spent quite a lot of my life in the States.
For those people who think China is a Soviet like communism regime whose top priority is to bury capitalism and enslave the world, please do me a favor by not making me laugh. How much do you know about China that make you think China is another Soviet? And you think you live in a free country where you can have your OWN opinion? Please, I'm laughing again...
For people picking on Ti¡¯Anmen square, I was there witness the whole thing and been thinking afterwards for 20 years. My conclusion is, the communist government was pushed to a corner where they either gave up ruling and let these ¡°democracies¡± taking over power, or, crash down the movement. I really think, especially after what had happened to China during the past 20 years, they made the right decision. Indeed the CCP had blood on their hands. But the very one to be condemned is on the other side of the iron curtain, who wanted China to collapse and Chinese people to kill each other so they can claim another victory over communism, and the fate of the Chinese people? Heard about IRAQ lately?
For those Free Tibet lovers, I still can¡¯t get it how on the earth you were made to think that Tibet is some kind of paradise destroyed by the evil communists? Truth is, before 1950, over 90% of Tibetans were surfs who were treated like animals and had an average life span of 30 years. Today they are treated equally if not better. Let along the fact that Tibet was part of China since 1000 years ago. So what is it for you to free for? Your own mind I would suggest.


739楼：


我是一个中国人，我在美国生活了很多年。

对于那些认为中国跟苏维埃一样，是个共产主义政权，首要任务就是要埋葬资本主义和奴役世界的，拜托别逗我笑。你对中国了解多少，怎么会让你觉得中国是另一个苏联？而你认为你生活在一个自由的国家，在这里您可以有自己的看法？得，我再次笑了...

对于那些拿天安门事件说事的人，我在那里目睹了整个事情，而且此后20年一直在思考。我的结论是，共产党政府被推到一个角落里，他们必须选择要么放弃统治，让这些“民主”接管权力，要么镇压这个运动。我真的觉得，特别是在过去20年来在中国发生的事情之后，他们当年做出了正确的决定。确实中共的手上沾着鲜血。但是，最应该受到谴责的，是铁幕那一边，希望中国崩溃和人民互相残杀，使他们能够声称战胜共产主义的那些人，至于中华民族的命运？你最近听说过伊拉克吗？

对于那些解放西藏爱好者，我仍然不能想象您如何能认为西藏是被共产党摧毁的天堂？事实是，在1950年之前超过90％的藏人是被象动物一样对待的农奴，平均寿命只有30岁。今天，他们被一视同仁甚至更好的对待。让我们承认这一事实，西藏自1000年前开始就是中国的一部分。那么，你要解放什么？解放你自己的心吧，我建议。

fliegen

rlsrls08 翻译的不错啊！！

oushen

我现在打不开那个网址了……
一打开就死……   呜呜呜呜 为什么……

rlsrls08

935.Communist saved china in 1949, capitalism saved China in1979, China saved the communist in 1989, China saved the capitalism in 2009.

Posted by Joey October 5, 09 08:36 PM
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The best post here, you wise man know everthing about China!
The free USA people, please be so kind to start a vote for the president of the solar system, i will vote Joey!

935楼说:
1949年共产主义救了中国。1979年资本主义救了中国。1989年中国救了共产主义。2009年中国救了资本主义。

947楼表示赞同。

rlsrls08

942.

Yeah, peace loving American! What have you done in Indonesia? Newmont, environment destroyer; Freeport, robber of Papua? Not to mention many US oil companies that have virtually Java Sea occupied.

Does not your Bible in the book of Matthew saya
* "Do not judge others, so that God will not judge you,
* for God will judge you in the same way you judge others, and he will apply to you the same rules you apply to others.
* Why, then, do you look at the speck in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the log in your own eye?
* How dare you say to your brother, 'Please, let me take that speck out of your eye,' when you have a log in your own eye?
* You hypocrite! First take the log out of your own eye, and then you will be able to see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye.
Today English Version Bible

Chiao!

BTW, I'm not Chinese, I studied in US Oregon for 5 years.

Posted by Janoko October 5, 09 10:24 PM

译者:942楼是一个日本愤青?

是啊，爱好和平的美国！你在印尼做了什么？纽蒙特公司，毁灭了环境。自由港，掠夺了巴布亚新几内亚？更何况许多美国石油公司已几乎占领了爪哇海。

你们的圣经上马太福音书不是说:
*不要论断人，让上帝来判断你，
*你怎样论断人，神就怎么论断你。你们怎么对待别人，神就怎么对待你们。
*不要只看到兄弟眼中的刺，而不看自己眼中的梁木?
(译者:省略部分经文，因为没时间去查对原文)
今天的中文版圣经

另，我不是中国人，我在美国俄勒冈州学习了5年。

oushen

译得好~~~~~~  赞

我打不开那页面了 想译也无门啊……

rlsrls08

933.

I'm a Chinese American, living in US since 1989.
The Western media has never stopped amazing me how skillful it is when come to the "Red China". In my early years in the US, I was really afraid to read anything about China in the news, because it'd be bad news... Now, it gets more interesting. Western media is able to twist anything from China from positive into negative, no matter what. It's amazing too that the Western audience is so eagerly fed up by their media without much knowledge about modern China now Chinese history. This parade was a great show. But from your media, you won't sense the genuine enthusiasm of the ordinary Chinese people in this grand event. Chinese people come a long way. They suffered so much from the past. They work hard and are gaining back their confidence. They know things are still challenging. They sacrificed somewhat for a larger benefit of the whole people. But they also know it takes time to improve the life for 1.3 billion people. They don't take your democracy as granted because they don't trust you, nor your democracy. It's called "socialism in Chinese style". You may call it dictatorship as you like. But it works fine and improves itself over time. More importantly, it benefits the people as a whole. What's wrong with that? Chinese people are very adaptive, so are their systems. Remember, the Chinese civilization has a history of thousands of years. The success of your democracy has only last 200 year so far. It takes a long time to prove it out. Imagine, if not the Chinese communists succeed 60 years ago, the great China might have been disintegrated into numerous pieces. The Chinese people might still suffer under Western powers such as what the Iraqi people are going thru. Hey, that's probably what many western powers like to see because it won't pose any threat to anyone. Those days are long gone. With the Chinese communist and the support from Chinese people, China will only get stronger. Go China!
Posted by xu October 5, 09 08:34 PM

我是美籍华人，自1989年以来生活在美国。

一涉及到"红色中国"，西方媒体从来没停止过让我感到惊叹。在美国初期，我真的很害怕阅读有关中国的新闻，因为这将会是个坏新闻...现在，它变得比较有意思。无论什么，西方媒体都有本事把中国的新闻从正面扭曲到负面。同样令人感到惊讶的是西方观众如此急切地接受他们的媒体，而缺乏对现代中国和中国历史的知识。游行是一个伟大的表演。但是，从你的媒体，你不会感觉到，在这个盛会中普通人民的真正热情。中国人民走过了漫长的道路。他们在过去受了这么多苦难。他们努力工作，并重新获得信心。他们知道情况依然严峻。他们为了全体人民的更大利益牺牲了自己的利益。但他们也知道改善13亿人民的生活需要时间。他们不会觉得你们的民主是理所当然的，因为他们不信任你，也不信任你们的民主。它被称为“中国特色的社会主义”。你可以称之为专政如果你想。但是，它很管用，并随着时间自我改进。更重要的是，它给全体人民带来了好处。这有什么不好呢？中国人民很容易适应，他们的系统也是。请记住，中华文明有几千年的历史。您的民主成功至今只有200年。这需要很长的时间去证明它。试想，如果中共60年前没有成功，伟大的中国可能已经解体成无数块。中华民族可能在遭受西方列强的压迫，如伊拉克人民正在经历的。嘿，这可能是许多西方大国希望的，因为它不会对任何人构成威胁。这些日子已一去不复返了。有中国共产党和中国人民的支持，中国只有变得更坚强。中国加油！

rlsrls08

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我打不开那页面了 想译也无门啊……
oushen 发表于 2009-10-6 17:57

怎么会啊? 你在哪里?

rlsrls08

927.

I am Malaysian...i have roots in China. I am Muslim. I love you China. You are the Greatest!!! May China be Merdeka & Peaceful Forever. USA is the REAL terrorists of the world...it oppresses, conquers and full of evil deeds. YES indeed history tells us all these....
"CHINA AMAT BOLEH!!" (China REALLY can!!)
Posted by Wan M. Lee October 5, 09 05:53 PM

我是马来西亚人...我的根在中国。我爱你中国。你是最伟大的!愿中国永远和平和独立 。美国是世界真正的恐怖主义者...它压迫，侵略和充满邪恶。
是的历史告诉了我们..
中国真的行!!

译者:Merdeka 这个词我不懂，谢谢楼下的指出。我已经做了修改。

oushen

Merdeka是马来语，意思就是independence

rlsrls08

920.

Our great county is feeding this type of military strength trade. One sided trade. Wonder if the Chinese have anything with "Made in the USA" on the bottom of the item? I am amazed at the regimented --orderlyness that the Chinese have always had. It is called Communism.

Some buddy of mine asked me if this country could do the same. LOL! They would have every politician, from the Prez to every congressman and woman wanting to get their grimy fingers into the festivities. UGH!

Then too, every Tom,Dick and Harriet would,want to get paid.

Wonder if the government of ours is trying to woo the Chinese to be our friends so we can upstage the Russians?

See Afghanistan.

Then too, pay attention ya' all. But hey, we never learn from out past.
Posted by Old Goat October 5, 09 02:54 PM

我们伟大的国家正在跟这样的军事实力进行贸易。单方面的贸易。不知中国有没有写着“美国制造”的东西？让我感到惊讶的是编队--中国人一向的有秩序。这就是所谓的共产主义。

我的一些好朋友问我，是否美国可以搞个同样的游行。大笑！那将有一大堆政治家，从总统到国会议员和妇女用他们肮脏的手指对节日指指点点。唉！

然后，每个人都希望获得报酬。

想知道为什么我们的政府正试图追求中国成为我们的朋友，然后我们才能够抢俄国人的风头吗？

看看阿富汗。

然后，注意。但是，嘿，我们从来没有从过去汲取教训。

译者: 这是个美国愤青?

rlsrls08

910.

I had the privilege of spending two weeks in Beijing a few years ago. The people were lovely, the culture rich and old, the country was beautiful. I do not like communism, but we cannot condemn a people based on the current government. 60 years in the history of China is a very short time. They are much larger than their government. The pictures I see are breath taking. The people have discipline and a stronger work ethic than most any other nation we can think of. They are proud. Much of what I have read in these posts are written from fear based out of a general lack of knowledge... isn't that what all fear, misunderstanding, malcontent and uncertainty comes from?
Posted by Dianne October 5, 09 12:32 PM

前几年我有幸在北京呆了两个星期。那里有可爱的人民，丰富的文化和历史，美丽的国家。我不喜欢共产主义，但我们不能因为现任政府而谴责人民。 60多年的中国历史是一个很短的时间。历史远大于政府。这些照片激动人心。中国人民有纪律，和相比大多数其他国家更认真的工作态度。他们自豪。这里的大多数留言都是基于恐惧和无知...这不正是恐惧，误解，抱不平和疑惑的来源吗？