美国波士顿论坛关于中国国庆的辩论

rlsrls08

904.

Three comments:
1- These yong soldiers are just like fake, robots. No individuals, all the same. Scary!
2- Looks like Soviet Union in the seventies. Why all communist regime need so much to show there military forces?
3- Reading chinese comments above, I realize how nationalistic they are, and how much they still need to proove to foreigners how great and powerful
country they are.

三条意见:
1) 这些年轻士兵看起来很假，象机器人。没有个性，全部一样，可怕!!
2) 看起来象70年代的苏联。为什么所有的共产主义政权需要展示他们的武装力量?
3) 阅读上头的中国人留言，我认识到他们有多么民族主义，和他们多么需要向外国人证明他们的国家有多么伟大和强大。

译者: 我觉得这代表了大多数美国人的意见。

rlsrls08

902.

Great show.....amazing! I especially like chinese female soldiers....they look great! :-))
It seems, China will show the world its true power in the future....this empire is rising, while american and european is going into darkness.....

And I really "like" the Americans, who try to judge "bad" chinese people....Perhaps they should remember, what did western countries to China in the past......how did "white people" behave to chinese and other people under their control in the past......And perhaps...they should visit countries, where "brave american soldiers" once entered......There is not only black and white colour on the world.....the world is colourfull. The same it is with the "Truth"..


I hope, China will enjoy their celebrations....:-)
Greetings from the Czech Republic
Posted by Taiwi October 5, 09 11:52 AM

伟大的演出.....太神奇了！我特别喜欢中国女兵....他们看起来太棒了！ :-)）

看来，中国会在未来向世界展示其实力....这个帝国正在崛起，而美国和欧洲将走向黑暗.....

我真的“喜欢”美国人，他们总试图去裁决“坏”中国人....也许他们应该记住，西方国家过去对中国做了什么.....在过去“白人”是如何对待中国人和其他被他们控制的国家的人的......或许...他们应该访问“勇敢”的美国士兵进入的国家......世界不仅有黑色和白色....世界是色彩缤纷的。同样适用于“真理”..

我希望，中国享受庆典....:-)

来自捷克共和国的问候

rlsrls08

881.

It is great to see those pictures as I tried hard to review the event which made me tears when I watched it. I have lived in UK and the US for 8 years and not a chinese citizen any longer, I love my current country and also love China. I had my best time in China and witnessed how the country became rich and prosperous from poverty.

All my western friends thought I was brainwashed by chinese government, yes, I did, as they do too by their governments, as any child in American school is educated to love his/her country and people, I of course recieved the same education. If you said that's brainwashed, yes, it is, I am happy to being told to love my country and people, as I do love her who tried hard to give me enough food and education, the most important, I grew up happily and healthily. I am very appreciated it.

Now my western friends have begun to notice what a real china is which is far beyond their imagination and education (brainwashed by their media) by me showing them the facts and their own reasearch. Simply, they began to believe communist or socialism can gather the money to improve the social basic facilities like transport, and education of poor people, while western countries fortune goes to minority (rich people), while all the tax payers have to pay for the economy crisis for those minority bad work and greedity; They believe how Dalailam lie and how good he is to attract western media; They believe how their media make storys and make their people to believe the storys; They believe how chinese people feel happy from their hearts not from the goverment pressure; They learn how their countries blame Chinese human right record while their soldiors are killing innocent people in other countris and their young soldiors died in other countris without their human rights. Well my friends are brainwashed by the truth. If you open your eyes, you can always see the truth. Please be aware of your media because they don't always give you truth but what they want you to. For example, a female coorespondant of BBC who can speak chinese used to interview a chinese bilingually at the same time, she translated her question in English to the audions as How do you feel being cheated by Chinese government? then to the interviewee that, how do you feel about chinese goverment? I was speechless. But it happens always when deal with chinese. I used to write comments to ask those tricky skillful lies but my comment was never showed on those journalist's blogs. Where is western's freedom or speaking freely? Where is western people's human rights to know the truth from their media?

I have the experience to say that, UK and the US goverments are nice, because the goverments are mostly fair to their people. Chinese government is kind too. You can simply tell how they treated their people in earthquake or other tragedy events and how people workd hard to help each other.

We live on the same earth,where is the only place for human being in solar system while it is being ruining by poltion, climate changing. There are a lot of desarsts happen here and there everyday, why don't our human beings care each other and work together to be against the bad condition of our envirnment rather than fight and curse each other? You have to know, not only western people can curse chinese, chinese people can do the same as return. But does it make sense? It is too easy for eveybody to say, you like it when you see the nice thing rather than be jealous and hate. Why can't we?

Besides, if you still hate china, you can go there to have a look by yourself, or if you want to free tibet, go to tibet and talk to real tibetants expecially those seniors who used to be the slaves of Dalailama, you will know what is truth. They have the right to say if they want to be free or not, not you. In another word, why do they want to be slaves again? Are you happy to be a slave facing the risk of death every minute without any haman rights?

God bless you and our earth!


Posted by amey October 5, 09 08:33 AM


很高兴能看到这些照片，因为我努力地回顾国庆游行，而当我看的时候我忍不住流泪。我在英国和美国住了8年，已经不是中国公民了，我爱我现在的国家，也爱中国。在中国的时候是我一生中最好的时间，我目睹了国家从贫穷走向富强和繁荣。

我所有的西方朋友们都认为我被中国政府洗脑，是的，我被洗脑了。同样他们也被他们的政府洗脑了，在美国上学的孩子都受教育要爱国家和人民，我当然也受了同样的教育。如果你说这是洗脑，好吧，它就是，我很高兴被告知要爱我的国家和人民，我爱她因为她努力给予我足够的食物和教育，最重要的，我幸福和健康地成长。我非常感谢。

通过我向他们展示的事实和他们自己的研究，现在我的西方朋友们已经开始注意到什么是真正的中国，那远远超出他们的想象和教育（被媒体洗脑）。简单地说，他们开始相信共产主义或社会主义制度能够集中资金，从而改善交通等社会基础设施，以及贫困人口的教育，而西方国家的财富在少数人(有钱人)手里，而因为少数人的渎职和贪婪，所有的纳税人必须为经济危机买单，他们认为达赖喇嘛撒谎并且成功地吸引了西方媒体，他们认为他们的媒体编造故事并且使人民相信，他们相信中国人民发自内心的高兴而不是来自政府的压力，他们认识到自己的国家指责中国的人权记录，而他们的士兵在其他国家杀死无辜的人，他们的士兵毫无人权地死在其他国家。我的朋友们被真理洗脑了。如果你睁开眼睛，你总能看到真相。请注意您的媒体，因为他们并不总是告诉你真相，而只告诉你它们想告诉你的。例如，英国广播公司一个可以讲中文的女通讯员用两种语言采访一个中国人，她告诉观众的英语问题是"你被中国政府欺骗了，有什么感想？"然后对受访者说: "你对中国政府怎么评价？" 我震惊得说不出话来。但每次跟中国有关总是这样。我曾经给这些巧妙的小把戏发表评论，但我的意见从来没有在这些记者的博客中显示。西方的自由言论在哪里？西方人从媒体得知真相的人权在哪里？

我有经验的说，英国和美国政府很不错，因为政府公平地对待他们的人民。中国政府也很亲切。从他们如何对待地震或其他灾难的人民，以及人们如何努力相互帮助可以看出。

我们生活在同一个地球上，太阳穴中唯一人类生存的地方，而它正被污染，气候变化而破坏。每天这里那里有许多灾难发生，为什么没有人关心我们相互合作，跟恶劣的环境条件作斗争，而不是对抗和相互诅咒？你要知道，不仅西方人可以诅咒中国，中国人也可以还击。有什么意义？对每个人来说这很容易，当你看到好东西，而不是嫉妒和仇恨时，你会欢喜。为什么我们不能这么做呢？

此外，如果你还恨中国，你可以去那里看看，或者如果你想解放西藏，去西藏和真正的藏人交谈，尤其那些曾是达赖喇嘛奴隶的老人，你就知道什么是真理。他们才有权利说他们要不要被解放，而不是你。换句话说，为什么他们要做回奴隶？你高兴成为每时每刻都有死亡危险，毫无权利的奴隶吗？

愿上帝保佑你们和我们的地球！

空气稀薄

上面骂中国的，有不少都是咱中国人，前两天在一家国内论坛还看到有人鼓动去波士顿环球网“围剿”爱国人士。

rockmass

935.Communist saved china in 1949, capitalism saved China in1979, China saved the communist in 1989, China saved the capitalism in 2009.

Posted by Joey October 5, 09 08:36 PM
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rlsrls08 发表于 2009-10-6 17:39

有意思！

rockmass

1949年共产主义救了中国。1979年资本主义救了中国。1989年中国救了共产主义。2009年中国救了资本主义。

rlsrls08

上面骂中国的，有不少都是咱中国人，前两天在一家国内论坛还看到有人鼓动去波士顿环球网“围剿”爱国人士。
空气稀薄 发表于 2009-10-6 20:47

海外媒体论坛上经常有独运轮分子现身说法。

rlsrls08

这张图有人说火车(?)是盗窃德国西门子技术
58.
#28
The train is not a chinese train. It's a (illegal) copy from Siemens, Germany.
http://www.transportation.siemens.com/ts/en/pub/products/tr/services/highspeed/velaro.htm
Posted by Guido October 1, 09 02:43 PM

rlsrls08

173.
I first visited China in 1991, have spent many months there since 2004, visited 12 provinces so far.
The Chinese people are more vast, and more intimate, and more poignant, than most is the west realize.
Remember when TV was wholesome? Still is in China. Remember when you could walk the streets, any streets, at night? Still can in China. Remember when there was ubridled optimism about the future? Plenty of that in China.
I am more pro west than 99.9% of Americans, but I do not bash China. China can have a very positive place in world history.
Posted by cuff October 1, 09 10:51 PM

我第一次访问中国是在1991年，2004年之后在那里住了好几个月，至今去过12个省。

中国人比西方理解的人更多，关系更亲密，更辛酸。

还记得我们的电视节目曾经很健康？在中国仍然是这样。还记得你曾经可以在晚上走在任何街道上？在中国仍然可以。还记得我们曾经对未来满怀乐观呢？在中国到处都是。

我比99.9％的美国人更亲西方，但我不攻击中国。中国可以在世界历史上占一个非常积极的位置。

Kroos

这张图有人说火车(?)是盗窃德国西门子技术http://inapcache.boston.com/universal/site_graphics/blogs/bigp ...
rlsrls08 发表于 2009-10-6 22:53

某大大说过，我们要做到跨越式发展，就不能太拘泥于什么知识产权之类的空东西，把别人的东西学习，吸收，才是王道。
上面不太重视知识产权，就是对这些睁一只眼闭一只眼。
以前tg太重规矩，吃了不少亏，现在，才不管你那么多。

rlsrls08

222.
Congratulation P.R China for marking 60s aniversary of new China. As an African who have been in China rescently I am happy for what China has achieved in its 30 year of opening to the world. You Chinese keep on bulding your country, keep on working hard keep peace and stability and be confident in your way and keep Chinese Model and socialist free market alive. Put the concern of your people in the center as you do it now. never be bother by the western song against your country since the whole world is witness of right way you follow to realize development.
Never use your power and might against weak nation the way western countries do in Iraq nad afganistan, Be the voice of oppressed nation bring balance and stability in the world. keep on win win policy in international trade and contracts and never be on the side of oppressors for that will create many anemies against you. Long Live P.R. China.Whether the cat is black or white is a problem so long it catches the mice. Never Rush into Quick and western way s of democracy. Remember the wise Chinese say that cross the river by throwing one stone at a go.
Posted by Antto Qamara Francis Tanzanian
Alumni Tsinghua University
Posted by Posted by Antto Qamara Francis Tanzanian October 2, 09 01:06 AM

祝贺中华人民共和国成立，标记新中国建国60周年。作为一个最近去过中国的非洲人，我为中国在其30年开放中取得的成就感到高兴。你们中国人不断建设你们的国家，不断的努力保持和平与稳定，并有信心以你们的方式保持中国模式和社会主义自由市场。把关注人民当作中心，正如现在所做的。永远不要理会西方国家的干扰，因为整个世界见证了你们按照正确的方法来实现发展。

决不象西方国家在伊拉克和阿富汗所做的那样，使用你的实力来对付弱国。做被压迫民族的声音，给世界带来平衡和稳定。继续在国际贸易和合约上争取双赢，绝不要跟压迫者为伍，这样你会给自己带来许多敌人。中国万岁! 不管白猫黑猫能抓到老鼠就是好猫。切勿匆忙快速的走入西方式民主。记住智者说过，投石问路。

Antto Qamara Francis Tanzanian留言

清华大学校友

译者: 非洲兄弟仗义啊~~

rlsrls08

都快1000条留言了，翻译不过来了。

大家说吧，想看普通美国人的评论，还是冷战思维的批评，爱国华人的表白，外国友人的祝福???

空气稀薄

53# rlsrls08

最希望看到普通美国人的评论

看起来像是中国人的留言就不用了吧，不管正面还是负面的，大家在中文论坛已经见得很多了。

fishstone

53# rlsrls08

最希望看到普通美国人的评论

看起来像是中国人的留言就不用了吧，不管正面还是负面的，大家在中文论坛已经见得很多了。
空气稀薄 发表于 2009-10-7 03:34

支持
最好是有代表性的来过中国的外国人的发言
纯祝福或辱骂诅咒的就算了
PS：很少看到空气在同个帖子里回复超过1贴...

rlsrls08

第2页28楼，第3页41楼，第4页50，52楼，都是到过中国的外国人的看法
第3页42楼，我觉得代表了大多数美国人的意见。

普通美国人的评论，我再去找找。

rlsrls08

979.
I would really love to see China for myself. I respect it for being one of the earliest civilizations on Earth, for it's culture and history. Hope to be there one day :-)

Posted by mariya ivanova October 6, 09 01:55 PM

我真的很愿意亲眼看到中国。我很尊重作为地球上最早的文明之一，它的文化和历史。希望能有一天去那里:-)

rlsrls08

962.

Its really a great show.. I am an indian, and have no enmity towards china.. Infact, there are many indians who had peacefull and cordial relationship with chinese in singapore and malaysia.. Culturally there are no enmity b/w china and india.. But its only on the political front, and only because of communism, china had become the dangerous country to not just india but to others too..
Posted by senthil October 6, 09 07:48 AM

这是一场伟大的表演。我是印度人，我对中国没有敌意。实际上，在新加坡和马来西亚很多印度人和中国人和平友好相处。文化方面中印之间没有敌意。但如果说到政治，只是因为是共产主义国家，中国对印度和其他国家而言成了危险的国家。

rlsrls08

955.

Can anyone tell me about Tibet, who ever really state in Tibet for a period of time, but not by CNN, because I want to see the whole picture, as far as I know, the Tibet people was in a deep mud, this was the reason take over the control after so many years of governed by the lama.In the meantime they can still worshiping their own religious, just don't touch the politics because politic and religious some what cannot mix, they can go whatever they want, they can do whatever they what, just somebody else want to gain the power again.

Posted by keith October 6, 09 03:32 AM

有谁曾经真正在西藏生活过一段时间的，跟我说说西藏，但不是由CNN来告诉我，因为我想知道完整的情况。据我所知，西藏人民过去处于泥沼中，这就是喇嘛统治多年之后(译者: GCD)接管权力的原因。他们(译者:藏人)仍然可以崇拜自己的宗教，只要不碰政治，因为政治和宗教不能混合，他们想去哪里就可以去哪里，他们想做什么就可以做什么，只是别想重新执政。

rlsrls08

954

Communisum doesn't work - even though the parades and old military display might. Might comes mostly from the American dollar - democracy. Uniforms and stance is impresssive however but one can see the old artiiliary and makeshift discipline hipped for the "recognition" to the communisit party at hand.

A stronger communism was practiced both in Russia and other countries alike - which, all have failed and turned mostly to democracy for prosperity, growth, and more importantly, becoming free and having the opportunity to becoming whatever they want to be with hard work and sacrafice.
Nonetheless, happy birthday to those of the communist party. The people and food are great - and, the women are absolutely beautiful. May both our countries continue to illustrate and show our might and not harm one another over ego, pride or quest for power.

As a proud Marine we build our might so we do not have to go into battle.


共产主义没用的，尽管游行和旧军队显示了实力。实力来自于美元--民主。制服和立场让人印象深刻，然而，大家可以看到老旧的大炮和临时性的纪律，只是为了从共产党的手中求得“承认”。

更强的共产主义曾经在俄罗斯和其他相似的国家实施，都已经失败了，大部分(国家)转向了民主，为了繁荣，成长，更重要的，为了自由，为了有机会成为他们努力工作和牺牲想成为的。

不过，那些共产党的，生日快乐。中国人和食品很棒，妇女绝对评论。希望我们两国继续描绘显示我们的实力，在自尊，自豪和权力上不伤害彼此。

作为一个骄傲的退伍海军陆战队员，我们建设我们的实力，这样我们才不用进入战争。

rlsrls08

741.

I have a great deal of respect for China. I am confused by Chinese talking about how peaceful China is, then see them building their military so quickly, I can only think they have an agenda. How many years China has been stealing our various technologies, and either selling it as their own or applying it to their military.

The Support of North Korea, a proxy, similar to the dozen or so the Soviets have had. Always supporting the provocateur, never leading the way to peace.

Prior to WW2 the US sent volunteers to China to help fight the Japanese, while Chairman Mao worked against us. Immediately after WW2 China helped the Koreans spread communism. Had China not entered the war, so many Koreans would have lived.

I keep hearing about the traditions of China,I am not impressed and I am not at ease at the idea of China rattling its sabers. It seems the Chinese are following the same path as the formerly Japanese Empire.

All my fears aside, I have never met a Chinese man that I did not like. I am aware of their rough past, not unlike any other peoples history.

I do pray to god that China is on its own path, like the US, and not following a path used by Soviets and the Japanese.

Posted by Sean October 3, 09 10:14 PM

我对中国非常尊重。我对中国人说中国如何和平，然后看到他们如此迅速地建设军队感到困惑，我只能认为他们有一个议程。多少年来中国窃取我们的各种技术，并将其当成自己的出售，或应用于军事。

中国支持朝鲜作为自己的代理人，类似苏联曾经有十几个代理人。始终支持挑衅，从来没有领导和平。

二战前，美国派出志愿者到中国帮助抗日，而当时毛主席反对我们。二战结束后，中国立即帮助朝鲜共产主义的蔓延。如果中国没有参战，很多韩国人不会死。

我一直听你们说中国的传统，对中国剑拔弩张这一说法，我既不特别在意也不觉得舒服。看来中国人在走跟日本帝国以前的道路。

不谈我的恐惧，我从来没有见过我不喜欢的中国人。我知道他们过去的艰辛，历史上任何其他民族都没有过的艰辛。

我向上帝祈祷中国走自己的道路，如美国一样，而不是重复苏联和日本的道路。