美国波士顿论坛关于中国国庆的辩论

rlsrls08

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To: 741 About China Vs US and Korean war etc.

"Prior to WW2 the US sent volunteers to China to help fight the Japanese, while Chairman Mao worked against us. Immediately after WW2 China helped the Koreans spread communism. Had China not entered the war, so many Koreans would have lived."

Indeed the US sent their boys and money to China to help fight the Japanese. During that war, China sent her last son to the combat. 20 million died. We fought together and won together as allies. We shall never forget that. As for the Korean war, I'd really suggest you to read more material about China's involvment. To my knowledge, It was the Soviet who was expanding Communism into Korean. China never wanted a war with US especially when the country itself was not stablized. In fact China entered the war when US marines already set foot on the Chinese border. What should you do in Mao's shoes? Also do not forget that during the civil war between the ruling KMT and the Communist party during 1946 to 1949, US was supporting KMT with guns and bombs. Should that war ended earlier, a lot of Chinese could have lived longer. To be fair, would you also make the US responsible for their deaths? I do feel sorry for Korean people but the finger shouldn't be only pointed on China.

"I do pray to god that China is on its own path, like the US, and not following a path used by Soviets and the Japanese."

As one who spent half of his life in US and half in China. I assure that China will not be on the path you worried. We could be friends, or even allies.
Please, enjoy the party and share our pleasure.

Posted by Wiz-Be October 4, 09 01:30 AM

确实，美国输送人和资金帮助中国抗日。在这场战争中，中国人把最后一个儿子送去打仗。 2千万人死亡。我们作为盟友，并肩作战，赢得胜利。我们将永远不会忘记。至于朝鲜战争，我真的建议你多阅读有关中国参战的材料。据我所知，是苏联把共产主义扩大到朝鲜。中国从来没有想与美国开战，特别是那时国家本身并没有稳定下来。事实上，美国海军陆战队已经站到中国边境了，中国才参战的。在毛的领导下您应该怎么做？也不要忘记，在1946年至1949年共产党与执政的国民党内战期间，美国提供给国民党枪支和炸弹。如果战争早点结束，有不少中国人现在还活着。公平地说，你也要让美国为他们的死负责？我对朝鲜人民感到遗憾，但不应该只指责中国。

作为一个在中国和美国各生活了半生的人，我确信中国不会走你担忧的路。我们会是朋友，或盟友。

请享受庆典和分享快乐。

fishstone

第2页28楼，第3页41楼，第4页50，52楼，都是到过中国的外国人的看法
第3页42楼，我觉得代表了大多数美国人的意见。

普通美国人的评论，我再去找找。 ...
rlsrls08 发表于 2009-10-7 04:41

多谢翻译
前面的看完了的
PS：你不睡觉的么？在国外？
我是被蚊子叮醒的...真不知道都这个季节了成都怎么还有蚊子...

rlsrls08

多谢翻译
前面的看完了的
PS：你不睡觉的么？在国外
我是被蚊子叮醒的...真不知道都这个季节了成都怎么还有蚊子...
fishstone 发表于 2009-10-7 05:35

在国外，现在要下班了，晚上如果有空继续，没空就只好等明天了。

fishstone

在国外，现在要下班了，晚上如果有空继续，没空就只好等明天了。
rlsrls08 发表于 2009-10-7 05:39

别太累了
我也闪回床上去了~

icc120

某大大说过，我们要做到跨越式发展，就不能太拘泥于什么知识产权之类的空东西，把别人的东西学习，吸收，才是王道。
上面不太重视知识产权，就是对这些睁一只眼闭一只眼。
以前tg太重规矩，吃了不少亏，现在，才不 ...
Kroos 发表于 2009-10-6 23:37

拜托...谁说咱们不重视知识产权了.高铁的知识产权可是花钱买回来的,这种交易是全球的通行做法,商业活动而已.为什么到中国这里花了专利费还被指责为窃取?他们觉得不爽,可以不卖啊?本来郎情妾意的事,让他们说成逼良为娼.....真能瞎白活的

忍耐

各位翻译童鞋辛苦了

naixiann

感谢翻译的同学.....

名剑

“1949年共产主义救了中国。1979年资本主义救了中国。1989年中国救了共产主义。2009年中国救了资本主义。”----这句貌似提炼的很经典啊！！
还有，感谢rlsrls08 大大的翻译，偶们才能看到这么原汁原味的国外视点.......
那个网址，我打开的速度非常非常慢，是不是，访问的人太多了？来自中国的？？

wizbe

晕。。。。看到自己写的英文再被翻译成中文的感觉很奇怪。。。嘿嘿

harryfx

1949年共产主义救了中国。1979年资本主义救了中国。1989年中国救了共产主义。2009年中国救了资本主义
悲剧啊··········民主世界的经济还要一个独裁国家去拯救········若民主世界那些民主自由之西人有羞耻心，就应该集体自杀··········

oushen

哈哈……  ls的ls强悍啊……  不知道你写的是哪个……？

oushen

亲娘啊…… 用遨游打会死 用IE也会死 用火狐还是这样 不知道各位现在是否打得开那个网页……？

想说rlsrls08 休息了 我来试着翻一下的……   

谁有办法……？

yqh

ls要怎么帮你？

wizbe

在中文论坛上吵了十四年了，吵架技术层面上老美确实不行，但现在毕竟是盎格鲁撒克逊在当老大，他们的气势很壮，所以，跟他们吵架注意一定不要喊口号言之无物，否则是以己之短击对方之长。吵架就攻击他们立足的地方，你不是说你自由，你公平，你道德高尚么，那我帮你把你皇帝的新衣撕下来如何，轻轻的，不疼錒，乖。。。。

自己翻译一篇。。。。

To people living in the "Free world", this is how your media brain washes you.
给那些来自”自由世界“的兄弟们，瞧一瞧看一看，你们的媒体是怎么给你们洗脑的。

1. Your media tells you this is the celebration of communist rule. What they dont tell you is, Chinese communism died 30 years ago. The Chinese wasted no time in the past 30 years to achive prosperity through capitalism.
你们的媒体告诉你，这是一场庆祝共产主义统治中国60年的盛会。他们没告诉你的是，中国在30年前就不标榜共产主义了。他们在利用资本主义致富的道路上可是一点也没耽搁。

2. They keep reminding you how this parade resembles old Soviet military parade. What they don't tell you is, ever since 1956, China broke up with the Soviet and took a different path. Military has not been the main focus of Chinese leaders. Evidence? 20% of the parade is military and 80% is about culture and industrialization. The Chinese leaders clearly know a good country is one that keeps good care of its people but not a strong army. Sorry your media don't tell you these.
他们不停的提醒你，这是又一个苏联风格的穷兵黩武表演。他们没告诉你的是，中国从1956年就跟苏联分道扬镳了。穷兵黩武从来也不是中国领导人所依仗的。您不信？这次国庆游行的内容，20%是军事，80%是有关文化和工业化的。中国领导人明白的很，一个好的国家重要的是让人民过的爽，而不是军队有多牛。很抱歉您的媒体没告诉您这些。

3. The funniest is, as I read on CNN, BBC and you name it. One thing they all put a lot of words, besides the magnificence of the parade is that "most ordinary Chinese are kept out of the parade". So you "know" again that this is a bad government which keeps its own people out of the celebration so it must be a celebration of the dictators but not the people, ordinary people are oppressed! WOW, how subject your media is and how clever you are to find out another “truth”. Here’s another version of the story what your media doesn’t tell you or conveniently forgot to mention: Ordinary Chinese, I mean 1.3 billion of them are so enthusiastic to attend. Today as I write this, Tian’anmen square sees 2 million zealous visitors per day. If any clever person thinks it is easy to organize a parade with such magnificence and perfection while still let every citizen to “join”, be my guest. The truth is, if you ask anyone Chinese, within China or aboard, 99% of them will tell you this is necessary. BTW, when the leader of the free world, US president Obama sworn into office, any of you free world guys were there to share the joy? As I remembered, he was speaking behind a bullet-proof glass.
最搞笑的是这个。当我读CNN，BBC还有你知道那些主流媒体时，除了有关这场游行的规模和完美程度之外，我发现他们都在一件事上浓墨重彩：普通中国人不被允许参与。所以您”明白"了，这一定是个坏政府，坏政府才不让自己的人民参加国庆，所以这是个给独裁者的庆典，人民在受压迫！您看，您的媒体多可客观錒，您多聪明錒，能自己发现这么多”真相“。不好意思，我这里有些您的媒体可能恰巧忘了告诉您的事：普通中国人，13亿普通中国人，都非常热情的想参与这次庆典。就在我写这些文字的时候，天安门广场每天要来200万激动的游客。哪个牛逼的哥们认为自己能让这么多人来参与同时也把庆典搞的这么隆重和完美，欢迎来亮亮您的牛逼。事实是，如果你问任何一个在中国或者不在中国的中国人，99%会告诉你，（限制参与人数）是必须的措施。哦，对了，当自由世界的领袖奥巴马同学举行入职典礼的时候，你们这些自由世界的同学，谁在那里分享快乐了錒？如果我记得不错的话，那哥们可是在防弹玻璃后面发表讲话的。

So your media is free and fair, and you have an independent thinking. So it is true that China is controlled by bad communism and you should work hard for your government to overthrow it, pay more tax, and complain less, send more of your sons and daughters to defend freedom. Good, but can I chose to stay in the “not so free world” a littler longer, please?
所以呢，您的媒体是自由和公正的。您有独立的思想。所以呢，中国是个被邪恶的共产主义者统治的国家，为了推翻共党，您必须更努力为您的政府工作，交更多的税，少点抱怨，送您更多的子女上前线去捍卫自由。真牛逼，不过，我能不能在这个没那么自由的世界里再多待会儿，成么兄弟？

oushen

楼上的这是自己发的言吗？ 好精彩啊……鼓掌！！！！！！

名剑

哈哈，感谢wizbe 大大的翻译，你的翻译好棒啊！！

oushen

我也不知道  思考中 现在打开了那个界面 但是没办法动弹……   74# yqh

oushen

要不这样  那位仁兄打算翻译的但是又有比较多要翻译的能发一些给我吗？

Don_Corleone

在中文论坛上吵了十四年了，吵架技术层面上老美确实不行，但现在毕竟是盎格鲁撒克逊在当老大，他们的气势很壮，所以，跟他们吵架注意一定不要喊口号言之无物，否则是以己之短击对方之长。吵架就攻击他们立足的地方， ...
wizbe 发表于 2009-10-7 11:38

牛B。。。支持你哥们。。。。

斗争要技巧，蛮干要不得。。。

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