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本帖最后由 trsita 于 2009-2-18 22:20 编辑
35:By Imitation Crabmeat
Texas: voted to join the union 1845
California: same 1850
Hawaii: same 1950
Well can I not be a very diligent journalist and say these votes were cast without international supervision, and may be under duress. Right?I mean that’s what a responsible journalist does!
All the Chinese people are much wiser than what you wish they are.
I agree they are wiser than you think. They have seen the experience of the fall of the USSR, they have seen the continued non-development ofthe entire Latin America after taking the pills by the World Bankeconomists. They know that a nation’s issues are complex, and justcomplete Westernization has prove to NOT work.
I agree of course in principle that all societies need to modernize anddemocratize. Yet in what form? In what path? That is the big question.
If you think that world history has reached an “end”. And we have settled on the final mode of development of politics and human societies (the liberal western model as embodied by the US and Western Europe), and what remains is just figuring out how to “bring the rest up” to be like you. If that is your world view, if that is what yout hink where the world should go. Then are you not the biggest and thedeepest victim of “brainwashing”? I think you are a deeper victim thanI am. Because at least I don’t claim that the Chinese regime and its model is the final version, and has universal application. I don’t. Idon’t claim that. I think the Chinese model needs to drastically changeand evolve, and probably does not have universal application. So in that sense, I am more modest than you are :) I am more open to new ideas than you are
To end, I quote a passage from Yu Keping, senior policy analyst for the CCP. In his essay “Democracy is a Good Thing”.
Democracy is a good thing, but that is not to say that democracy comesunconditionally…. But the timing and speed of the development of democracy and the choice of the form and system of democracy areconditional. An ideal democratic system must not only be related to theeconomic state and level of development of society, the regionalpolitics and international environment, it must also be intimatelyrelated to the national tradition of political culture, the quality ofthe politicians and the people, and the daily customs of the people. It requires the wisdom of the politicians and the people to determine how to pay the minimum political and social price in order the attain themaximum democratic effects.
On one hand, we want to absorb all the excellent results from the political culture of all mankind, including all the excellent resultsof democratic politics; but on the other hand, we will not import anoverseas political model. Our construction of political democracy mustbe closely integrated with the history, culture, tradition and existingsocial conditions in our nation. Only in this way can the people ofChina truly enjoy the sweet fruits of political democracy.
德克萨斯州:以投票方式于1845加入美利坚合众国
加利福尼亚州:以投票方式于1850加入美利坚合众国
夏威夷州:以投票方式于1950加入美利坚合众国
我是个不称职的记者,我不知道这些投票是不是在国际社会的监督下进行的,也许是被迫的,对吗?我的意思是说什么才是一个有责任感的记者该做的!
中国人民比你们想象中的要聪明得多。
我觉得中国人民比你们想的还要聪明。他们看到了苏联失败的经历,看到了整个拉美国家在服用了世界银行开出的药后经济停滞。他们知道国家问题的复杂,知道照搬西方的是不起作用的。
我赞成所有的社会都应该现代化,要发展经济这一原则。但是用什么模式?走什么道路?都是个大课题。
如果你认为世界史已经到了终点。并且我们已经建立了最终的政治生活和人类社会的模式(美国和西欧的西方自由模式),然而剩下的仅仅是使余下的国家和你们一样。如果这是你的世界观,如果这就是你认为的世界潮流。那么难道你不是受到最全方位的洗脑吗?我认为你受到的欺骗大过我。因为至少我不要求中国的政治体制与模式是最终的形式的这种说法,其他中国人也没有这样的诉求。我没有。我不要求那样。我认为中国模式必须有渐进式的改变,并且很可能不是全体中国人都这样想。因此在这种意义上,我们比你更温和.(我们比你们更开放更能接受新观点。)
最后,我引述来自俞可平(人名音译)高级政治分析家在他的文章《民主是件好事》中的一段话。
“民主是件好事,但民主不是绝对的……在一定的时机在一定的发展速度和合适的体制下选择适合的方式和民主体系是民主的条件。民主体系不仅仅要与经济和社会发展水平以及政治信仰和国际环境相联系,她还必须和国家的政治文化传统,政治家及人民的素质,以及日常生活习惯相适应。她要求政治家和人民怎样用智慧去以最小的政治和社会会价值来获得最大的民主成果。”
一方面,我们吸收一切政治文化的优秀成果,包括所有优秀的民主政治成果;但是另一方面,我们不会一个进口国外政治模式。我们会在我国建立一种和历史,文化,传统,社会条件相配套的民主政治。唯有这样中国人民才能真正接受享受到民主政治的果实。
PS:我是来学习的。翻译的不好,还请高手多多指教!
这是我翻译的最舒服的一篇回复,貌似是个中国人的,后面好多讨伐他的,呵呵!
不过,他说的有理有据,很在理,总感觉后面那些说他的人没文化,讲不出道理,做不到有理有据,不搭理他们了!
有时间再来翻译下,贴出来。
刚刚去谷歌了一下发现了一篇关于 俞可平 这篇文章的评论,有兴趣的筒子们可以去看下,地址是:http://www.yeeyan.com/articles/view/billwoods/4900/dz |
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